soria

I've done a 3x3 with Red Line Racing ATF (Type F);

Its eliminated any jerkiness and harsh shifts, cold drives in the morning are smoother, and overall shift quality has improved quite a lot.

Excellent product!

01tl4tl

what was your prior `between shifts feeling`,,shudder, slam,,,??

soria

I would get slams and shuddering often into 2nd gear.

Sometimes id get a weird rocking feeling where it was like in limbo between two gears. Shifting to reverse is buttery smooth now also.

my.daily'tl'

Mind telling me where you got it from? Im gonna be trying this out too.

Karanx7

iTrader: (2)

Hey Tom, I'm considering doing a 3x1 followed by an entire 3x3 if the 3x1 has no issues. My transmission was replaced with the improved design at ~100k. I had the transmission serviced by the dealer (1x3) at 50k.

I'm debating between the new DW-1 and Redline Type F. From what I've read, the friction modifiers allow smoother shifts by allowing the clutch packs to slip a little. Would type F, having no/few friction modifiers, hurt or help our problematic clutch packs?

01tl4tl

we dont have much test data on the DW1,
but we have several members gen2 and gen3 on redline and each one says the same thing...awesome right away!,,fixes symptoms/problem xyz by abc reasons yadayada

engine-trans/racing guru `I hate cars` has threads on redline,,first tried on a 99 with dead trans,,it rose from the ashes...

K7 I would do a selenoid/pressure switch cleaning, external filter replacement, and 3x3 on your car with no concern
redline would be my fluid choice
my 01 has slightly less miles on the warranty unit, with an ongoing very slight shudder into 2nd and 3rd at light throttle- the type acura thinks is normal. or might be dirty selenoids
Annoying when trying to save fuel with gentle throttle off the line.

01tl4tl

NOTE: its Redline RACING ATF,,not their regular atf

can find at import parts stores, race shops, look online for local dealers
a lot of racers/users become dealers for a better price to themself- and can hook you up
ck out local race teams

dan lazer

where is the pressure switch and selenoid at

and where is the external filter

i have a 99 TL with 176K

01tl4tl

they are in the DIY section of course dan!!
may vary by year as to whats replaceable or serviceable--I dont know anything except my 01,,and 99s are different
do you have a 4 speed??? or 5?

76 on your rebuilt trans and 3qts done at 50,,you are good for a full changeout without concerns
If 100-150 and never had a change,,,no dont touch it!!

FirePR2002

i'm on redline type f and have been for a couple thousand miles. gonna do another 1X3 on the next oil change and continue to do so for the next 2 or 3 oil changes, then i'll never touch it again. :twocents:

probmxstyle

I did a 3x3 with the new DW-1 fluid. So far it has been awesome. Very smooth shifting and no jerking. It is supposed to improve fuel mileage, but I cant report on that.

VQPower37

seems like all the 2g guys are having good experiences with the redline d4 like the 3g guys

dan lazer

i have the 4 speed in my 99 TL

and i got my car with 150K from alabama-----i called that 1800# and gave them my vin and they said my tranny was replaced on 6/28/06

and i seen on the tranny that theres a number ( 130,224 ) im guessing thats the miles when the tranny was replaced
and also theres a # 20605--i dunno what that is

and i actually went and got my tranny fluid changed last week ( 3 quarts ) ----thats the 1st time i got the tranny fluid changed since i got it at 150K

thewrangler99

where did you get the atf changed? what kind of atf was used?

totaledTL

You didn't do it yourself?

dan lazer

i got it changed at this shop connected to the auto detail shop i manage-----and they used the honda OEM tranny fluid

i only got 3 quarts changed though and honestley guys----i definetley felt the difference in shifting

WHEN wud you guys recommend getting it changed again ?????

01tl4tl

you have the much more reliable 4 speed- if it doesnt blow up in the next week-
do some more new fluid

you verified trans has blue bolt heads = warranty replaced unit?

dan lazer

cool---thanks man !!!!!

yea---it has the blue bolt heads

wud ya recommend that i get this REDLINE ATF and keep changing it till i have all new fluid in there or what ????

and where can i get the REDLINE ATF and is there only 1 kind of this fluid or more than 1 ( what should i use in my 99 TL ) ??

soria

People here are using Redline Racing (Type F).

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=52&pcid=9


Draining the trans only removes 3qts, about 1/3 of the total fluid. I did 3 total drain and fills so most of the fluid is now Redline.

I spaced each drain by a few days to get the fluid mixed around - tho it may not be necessary.

like 01 said, member 'i hate cars' has a thread on redline ATF. I got all my info from there. A simple search should find it.

jjashaa

iTrader: (23)

im actually using the Redling ATF in my brothers 06 Accord V6.

its pretty nice.. a lot better than the honda ATF.

Probably do another 3x3 before selling it.

sbuswell

I would think that having no friction modifiers in the ATF would be very bad for longevity as friction modifiers reduce surface friction on the lubricated parts thus decrease wear. I would think without friction modifiers in tranny fluid you'd be asking for the tranny's key components to wear faster and increase the risk of premature failure significantly. Who has used Redline Racing ATF (Type F) and how many miles have you accrued since switching over? Alos what is your mixture roughly? 3x3 should give you 80-90% new fluid.

FirePR2002

NOT TRUE. A 3X3 actually gives you about 40% new fluid with 60% old fluid. remember, the new fluid mixes with the old after you refill. you drain 3 qts. of that MIXTURE, then add another 3 quarts refill, mixing further, then draining that MIXTURE. it takes something like 9 or 10 drains/refills to get near 100%.

in the main type f thread on the 3g side, the ratio is given on old versus new for each 1X3.

FirePR2002

well, i was off a little also - here is the chart. each # on the left represents 1 - 3 qts. drained and 3 qts. refilled.

sbuswell

Ahha so I was close 80% new fluid is a 3x3. I new I had read that somewhere before. Well my 90% calucation may have been off, but that's why it's better to give a range when estimating.

Has anyone used RL Racing Type F for extended periods on a 4speed or 5speed in their TL's? I really want to know because I need to change my fluid soon and was going to use Amsoil as it seems to have better spec's than regular redline ATF.

FirePR2002

redline is the better oil or so I've been told.

fsttyms1

Thats why i would use this method to change out the fluid (minus the add dexron part)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsdPAadc9fY

01tl4tl

if you do a manual drain and fill 3x3, which requires 12 qts if you read the owner book--you do one set-- before warming up the car for the rest

do 5 minute drive using each gear up and down to move fluid thru selenoids and force new fluid in behind old fluid
NOT MIX THEM by driving a few days
you never get rid of the old stuff that way

AlanW

IMHO, a 5 minute drive is too long and allows for too much mixing. I just drive around the block for maybe 2 minutes, but make sure you go through each gear at least once.
I have to get it pretty fast on my residential street to get to 5th, so be careful and don't piss off the neighbors....

FirePR2002

what do you guys think happens to the fluid while you're driving? it mixes in the tranny and TC - no way to avoid it that I'm aware of.

01tl4tl

I should have said 5 minutes MAX drive-- per acura

if you can get up and down thru every gear-include park and N twice or more in 2 minutes
then you are awesome!!

cisgwaping

I am kinda confused on the method you suggest. Ive been reading up on transmission issues with our cars and it was always concluded to NEVER DO A FLUSH for a transmission and isnt that what is being done in the video>? Please advise...

TLer trash

NO! There is no max. You can drive it 5 minutes or 500 miles. I tried unsuccesfully to explain this to you previously with the dilution charts. The flush video explains it much better. You can clearly see that the sump and convertor are completely exchanged in 30 seconds. If anything acura is being on the conservative side to make sure the fluid is fully mixed.

TLer trash

Trans flushing is a catch all term depending on who's doing the flushing. The video shows a flush, some people call changing the fluid a flush, and there are machines that flush as well. What acura doesn't like specifically are flush solvents that are added to the trans before the flush, and machines that use reverse flow, higher than normal pressures, pulsation etc. The method shown in the video is no more unsafe than doing a drain and fill x1, 2, or 3 depending on trans mileage and fluid condition.

01tl4tl

I dont think the dilutution chart is specific about the TL trans,,am I wrong?

`flush` by powered machine that often runs on dex3 is against the cars best interest

acura only calls for a 3x3 IF you added any amount of dex3 to the system
`in an emergency topoff` then you MUST push 12 qts total
to get out the contaminated fluid as much as possible

I have done the old school trans cooler line method on the truck, it took longer than 30 seconds- and a few gallons of constant pouring new fluid in the filler tube as old fluid pumped into the jug before it looked all new

even then a short drive would release trapped fluid and dump back into system

TLer trash

Yeah, the one I was referring to was posted by "inaccurate" in the redline racing atf thread. The video shows a honda with a trans roughly the same capacity as ours; not your old truck. If you drain and fill 3 qts., it's completely mixed in less than 30 seconds or less. It's still going to be completely mixed in 5 minutes or 500 miles. I don't believe the hype about dexron destroying honda transmissions either. I've run it in far too many hondas for too long. If it were that bad for the trans, honda would not even recommend it as a temporary substitute. Considering the information that inaccurate and ihc have brought out about transmission fluid and the detrimental effects of friction modifiers, I personally think the honda fluids may be the worst choice. Dexron has less friction modifier than honda fluid, and racing or type f fluids have even less. Honda's big concern with dexron is harsh shifting. They even mention it in the owners manual. I've said this before in defense of my switching to redline racing, and I'll say it again... Even if you only use this forum for your figures, I'll bet you'll find more honda transmissions fail after a change with honda fluid than any other.

SatinSilverAV6

iTrader: (2)

I use Amsoil Synthetic ATF in my 03 Accord V6 5AT and it has been the best thing I could have ever done for my transmission. I wish I had been doing this since my first drain and refil! Shift quality and speed on both upshifts and downshifts has greatly improved.

The reason why I went with it over Redline is because Amsoil has better specs. I am not taking anything away from redline as it is a great brand, however I feel amsoil is superior. My uncles best friend is a amsoil dealer in tucson so that is another reason. Great prices!

01tl4tl

the easy way to do a good `fluid changeout` is with it running while helper shifts thru the gears (foot on brake-wheels blocked) to get fluid pumped thru selenoids

when you reach ~3 gallons--its as clean as possible for our purposes

honda does not approve dex3 in the TL--its right in the book- IF you ever put any dex3 in ---should you for some reason be slightly low and foolish-IN AN EMERGENCY
then you must do a 3x3 to get it out

We have several stories on here of cars with full load of dex3 put in- and it stopped shifting right then,, or within several weeks--cant be coincedence

Dont think much of most honda fluids--except ps and maybe coolant

now we have test cars on different brands- gathering data of amz v redline v new honda

totaledTL

I wonder about that too. The serv. manual for my old Accord specifies DEXRON fluid be used in the auto transm. When did Honda change this?

cisgwaping

can you elaborate on the "depending on trans mileage and fluid condition" My transmission was replaced at 50k miles and I am at 130k now. I probably did the drain and fill with Honda ATF three times since then. I do not feel any slippage so far. Would you suggest me doing the flush in the video?

fsttyms1

What honda doesnt advise doing is a flush that uses a machine to force fluid and solvents thru. This isnt forcing fluid thru the trans or adding solvents to help clean. This is using the transmission to pump fluid thru at its own rate.