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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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HUGE Front End Shake

The other day I was driving home from work and I got on the highway and accellerated. Whe I hit about 60, the whole front of my car started shaking BAD! I let off the gas and slowed down. Luckily it was only 9 mile home. It repeated intermittently, but only when I was on the gas. I got home, jacked it up for a look. Everything seemed OK. So I went for another ride and sometimes it did it and sometimes not. Today I took it to work and it was a little worse. At lunch, I took a gear head for a ride to see what he thought. As soon as we started going, the car shook like crazy. On the way home I could hardly drive it. It still only did it under power and would stop as soon as I let off the gas. When I got home, I rotated all my tires (they needed it anyway) and took it for another ride. Fuhgedaboutit. It's going to the stealership on Monday. What do you guys think? I'm thinking transmission. Lucky it did it now and now when I was travelling back and forth from the meet in Mass. last weekend!
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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need more

Need more information,like did steering wheel shake,seats . Did you loss of power
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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Axles, mounts, loose lugnuts, wheel/tire suddenly out of balance (taped weights came off), blah blah blah. Like goeers said, need more info.

Good luck
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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Probably Engine Mounts
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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my car shakes around as soon as i hit 60 .......then its back to normal when i hit around 80..........i dont knwo what it is aswell...i just got brand new rims and tires and a aligment so i dont know what it is either
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by acuratl02
my car shakes around as soon as i hit 60 .......then its back to normal when i hit around 80..........i dont knwo what it is aswell...i just got brand new rims and tires and a aligment so i dont know what it is either
i had that problem when i had a bent rim..
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by acuratl02
my car shakes around as soon as i hit 60 .......then its back to normal when i hit around 80..........i dont knwo what it is aswell...i just got brand new rims and tires and a aligment so i dont know what it is either

wheel balancing maybe?
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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my thread on both acuratl02 & DAVERUBINO

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/question-about-tl-104323/
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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well if you got new tires they might of messed up on ur balancing weights. Look to see they're actually weights on each tire. Then you might want to check ur engine mounts. Stand by your front fender and have you friend shift from park to reverse then to neutral and then drive with the brake on. Look to see if there is excessive movement on the engine. I noe almost all accords have there front engine mount busted.
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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The steering wheel doesn't shake at all. All the weights are on. As far as balancing or bent rim, that's why I rotated the tires. None of the lugs were loose. No loss of power. I mean this thing shakes so bad that I won't drive it again until I bring it to the dealer. I will check the engine mounts though. The axles and everything else looked fine and tight to me.
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:36 PM
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maybe your tranny is slipping?
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:39 PM
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do any of the warning lights go on?
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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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Is it like a jerking? Look for a post I just had, looks like the exact same symptoms, right down to the happenning at "60 mph" or so, part. And guess what... my prob. was indeed a sign of tranny failure, which happenned just a few days ago at highway speeds.
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:00 AM
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No jerking or warning lights and it does it at slow or fast speeds. Just a side to side shake. I'm going to check the motor mounts today when I get home. Thanks for all the input guys. I figured I could find out something here. You guys are the best! Thanks so much! I'll let you know what I find.
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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i'd bet a million it is one of your axles....
most likely the right side.
happened to me.

horrible side to side shaking that just got worse and worse.
got worse when pressing the accelerator.

i needed a new right side axle.

hth.
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by joseph_99tl
i'd bet a million it is one of your axles....
most likely the right side.
happened to me.

horrible side to side shaking that just got worse and worse.
got worse when pressing the accelerator.

i needed a new right side axle.

hth.
did u have to change anything on the intermediate shaft (i.e. bearing), or did u just have the axle itself replaced?
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DAVERUBINO
The other day I was driving home from work and I got on the highway and accellerated. Whe I hit about 60, the whole front of my car started shaking BAD! I let off the gas and slowed down. Luckily it was only 9 mile home. It repeated intermittently, but only when I was on the gas. I got home, jacked it up for a look. Everything seemed OK. So I went for another ride and sometimes it did it and sometimes not. Today I took it to work and it was a little worse. At lunch, I took a gear head for a ride to see what he thought. As soon as we started going, the car shook like crazy. On the way home I could hardly drive it. It still only did it under power and would stop as soon as I let off the gas. When I got home, I rotated all my tires (they needed it anyway) and took it for another ride. Fuhgedaboutit. It's going to the stealership on Monday. What do you guys think? I'm thinking transmission. Lucky it did it now and now when I was travelling back and forth from the meet in Mass. last weekend!

Sounds like you might have an inner cv joint issue, but you should definitely should check the engine mounts first. Check motor mounts by reving your engine to about 2000 RPMs (I believe this is how fast your motor is turning at 60MPH). If there is no feedback throughout the car or through the steering column, then I would am willing to bet you have an inner cv plunge joint (axle) that is severely worn. With the inner joints, you will experience extreme vibration like you described only under acceleration. Unless the boot is cracked, you will not be able to determine the joint is bad without putting the car on the rack and having someone put the car in gear up to 60MPH. When you take it do the dealership, make sure you have them check the mounts as well as the axles. By the way, how many miles do u have on your car?
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mdavisii
did u have to change anything on the intermediate shaft (i.e. bearing), or did u just have the axle itself replaced?
axle replaced
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mdavisii
Sounds like you might have an inner cv joint issue, but you should definitely should check the engine mounts first. Check motor mounts by reving your engine to about 2000 RPMs (I believe this is how fast your motor is turning at 60MPH). If there is no feedback throughout the car or through the steering column, then I would am willing to bet you have an inner cv plunge joint (axle) that is severely worn. With the inner joints, you will experience extreme vibration like you described only under acceleration. Unless the boot is cracked, you will not be able to determine the joint is bad without putting the car on the rack and having someone put the car in gear up to 60MPH. When you take it do the dealership, make sure you have them check the mounts as well as the axles. By the way, how many miles do u have on your car?
45,000 miles. I'll let you all know the result when it goes in Monday. Thanks All!!
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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ya the same exact thing happened to my mom when she drove it. the car is a 2002 tl-s, bought it new, and the first 3 months into haveing the car she felt the car SHAKE after she tried to switch a lane but then switched back. she told me the car was shaking furiously including the steering wheel all the way home (for about 10 min.) and the vsa light maybe came on but she was panicing so she did not notice. ever since then it has never came back so its kinda weird.
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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I've got a front end shake as well and its not the tire balance since the steering wheel doesnt shake and swapping the front and rear tires didn't change it. It only occurs at speeds about 79MPH and above. But you mentioned below that if its a CV joint issue, it will only occur on acceleration. My shake occurs regardless of throttle - I can be coasting and it still shakes so long as the car is above 79MPH.

The other suggested fix on this thread is having the axle replaced, but I dont understand what would be worn with the axle. Please explain....

Btw, I've got 89k on my TL, and on my 3rd tranny. I would have thought the stealership would have mentioned something to me if they found a joint going bad, but the fact they didnt means little at the moment....




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Sounds like you might have an inner cv joint issue, but you should definitely should check the engine mounts first. Check motor mounts by reving your engine to about 2000 RPMs (I believe this is how fast your motor is turning at 60MPH). If there is no feedback throughout the car or through the steering column, then I would am willing to bet you have an inner cv plunge joint (axle) that is severely worn. With the inner joints, you will experience extreme vibration like you described only under acceleration.
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Well, car came back from the stealer with my wallet $89 lighter. They said it was a bent rim. I really didn't think so since I rotated the tires and it only does it under accelleration. Just to humor them, I put my stock rims and tires back on. Guess what? It still shakes! Can't wait to call them tomorrow!
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Old Jun 20, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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i agree with mdavisii. sounds like a motor mount or most likely a axel/cv joint. possible a tranny but most likely a axel?
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 01:25 AM
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yeah, its weird, i only had those shakes when the engine was misfiring.

at the dealership, you think they would know best of what to do for a TL, but they are morons over there.

I remember when I had the shakes they replaced my PCM and Fuel Controller...1200 bux...problem of course came back, my mechanic opened up my engine, and told me my injectors where a little misaligned, that fixed the problem.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by joseph_99tl
i'd bet a million it is one of your axles....
most likely the right side.
happened to me.

horrible side to side shaking that just got worse and worse.
got worse when pressing the accelerator.

i needed a new right side axle.

hth.
OK, a million goes to joseph_99tl
They said the right half shaft was sticking into the motor. They replaced it under warranty and it seems good as new. My D5 light still flashes though. It was kinda nice driving their 04 TSX for a few days for something different.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVERUBINO
OK, a million goes to joseph_99tl
They said the right half shaft was sticking into the motor. They replaced it under warranty and it seems good as new. My D5 light still flashes though. It was kinda nice driving their 04 TSX for a few days for something different.
the inboard CV joint can be easily pulled out.

did u hit anything?.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 06:47 AM
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Well yeah, unfortunately I curbed my right side. Not too much damage to the wheels and I didn't think I hit that hard, but who knows.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 11:02 AM
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this happened to me years ago in my honda prelude. ended up being a seized brake caliper (pistons wouldnt release fully, hence dragged against the disc rotor causing vibrations, mainly at higher speeds). had my caliper serviced (new O rings, lube, etc) problem instantly disappeared, never to appear again.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVERUBINO
Well yeah, unfortunately I curbed my right side. Not too much damage to the wheels and I didn't think I hit that hard, but who knows.
So did they ended up charging u for the rim or u get ur money back?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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yooh forgotten to tighten ur lug nuts
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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Charge me for the rim as far as diagonostics? Yeah, they did that. I tried to get my money back, but no good. It's in there again finally fixing my D5 light flashing. It's a trans temp sensor. They're warranteeing the diag and part, but I have to pay for labor. (My car is out of warrantee). At least I got another TSX, '05 this time to take to Cape Cod for the weekend, so I'll make out a little by putting 500 miles on their car instead of mine. Oh yeah, I ALWAYS tighten and torque my wheel nuts.
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DAVERUBINO
Charge me for the rim as far as diagonostics? Yeah, they did that. I tried to get my money back, but no good. It's in there again finally fixing my D5 light flashing. It's a trans temp sensor. They're warranteeing the diag and part, but I have to pay for labor. (My car is out of warrantee). At least I got another TSX, '05 this time to take to Cape Cod for the weekend, so I'll make out a little by putting 500 miles on their car instead of mine. Oh yeah, I ALWAYS tighten and torque my wheel nuts.
They charged you to diagnose the a bent RIM even though that wasn't the problem?
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DAVERUBINO
Charge me for the rim as far as diagonostics? Yeah, they did that. I tried to get my money back, but no good. It's in there again finally fixing my D5 light flashing. It's a trans temp sensor. They're warranteeing the diag and part, but I have to pay for labor. (My car is out of warrantee). At least I got another TSX, '05 this time to take to Cape Cod for the weekend, so I'll make out a little by putting 500 miles on their car instead of mine. Oh yeah, I ALWAYS tighten and torque my wheel nuts.
trans temp sensor is pretty easy to replace, i had to do that on mine
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Old Aug 27, 2005 | 10:22 AM
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Front end vibration, still confused, pl: help

Hi All,
After reading many threads on front end vibration I am still confused.
Looks like apparently i choose the wrong model year, and everything else is just great!!! as usual!!!

I just purchased a 2002 3.2TL-S with 60K miles on it, and during test drives i was driving at close to 60 mph, so dint spot it then.

Now whenever i am on long drives, i have this front end vibration initiating at about 60 mph, and getting worse by about 75 and terrible at about 80.

This vehicle has 18" rims with 40mm profile tires, with thread wear at 60%., so obviously the dealer checked the rims out and said all 4 rims were bent, and that was a cool 90 bucks. I will go for after market rims, not stock, but the regular 17" size with a 50 mm profile tires. Something tells me this is not going to fix the vibration. (its never easy and direct, is it?!)

Also, i dont feel the tranny up or downshifting at low speeds, the 5'th gear light stays steady and does not flickker, nor does the VSA flikker...I always put it on automatic and dont mess with the tiptronic...

AFter reading all the posts, iam very confused. The problem is, i am on the road 70% of the time for my job, and i cannot spend too much time yo-yo-ing with the dealer. (I understand its not a easy problem, but i would appreciate if someone can tell me what is a fix with a good amount of surity... Is it the wheels, or the CV joints, or the axles or the tranny. I can provide further information to help diagnoze better, i feel confident with that rather than plunking 90 bucks for every hit or miss trial at the dealer. I appreciate your time.

B.C
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