E.G.R Valve Failure and replace shifter level sensor
12-16-2015, 09:23 PM
#1
Three Wheelin'
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E.G.R Valve Failure and replace shifter level sensor
Over the weekend the D5 was flashing and the engine light came. I went to the dealer today to get an oil change and to find out the problem. 
Again 
It turns out that they found 2 active codes: E.G.R Valve failure and Open gear selection switch failure. Dealer's solutions: needs R&R E.G.R valve & Clean ports and tubes and replace shifter level sensor. Also needs fuel induction service prior to service. Basically he said that it's filled with a ton of carbon monoxide. The car is not using overdrive so it needs to replace the shifter level sensor. Overtime if it's not replace it can damage the transmission causing it to slip. I'm trying to remember what he told me this afternoon so not sure if any of this makes sense.
Quote $1,664.
Car: 2002 Acura TL-S
Miles:121,676.
Does this normally cost this much? Have you experienced this with your car?
Is it time to get a newer car? The car has been paid off for years. Or pay this and keep for another year to save money?
Again It turns out that they found 2 active codes: E.G.R Valve failure and Open gear selection switch failure. Dealer's solutions: needs R&R E.G.R valve & Clean ports and tubes and replace shifter level sensor. Also needs fuel induction service prior to service. Basically he said that it's filled with a ton of carbon monoxide. The car is not using overdrive so it needs to replace the shifter level sensor. Overtime if it's not replace it can damage the transmission causing it to slip. I'm trying to remember what he told me this afternoon so not sure if any of this makes sense. Quote $1,664.
Car: 2002 Acura TL-S
Miles:121,676.
Does this normally cost this much? Have you experienced this with your car?
Is it time to get a newer car? The car has been paid off for years. Or pay this and keep for another year to save money?
12-16-2015, 10:54 PM
#2
Mr.Helpful Diagram
To better help we need actual codes, More than likely the EGR passage ways are blocked and need to be cleaned out thats the most common fix.
For the transmission sounds to me like the range sensor may be bad or out of adjustment.
For the transmission sounds to me like the range sensor may be bad or out of adjustment.
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01tl4tl (12-19-2015)
12-16-2015, 11:20 PM
#3
Oh man.
Please don't proceed with this service until you can get a itemized breakdown of the quote. Please share the quote with us and make sure to include the exact problem codes you're seeing.
My initial indication is that the dealer is not being honest with you (they do charge a lot for EGR service from what I've seen - 3-4 hours' labor).
To clean your fuel system you can put a can of seafoam in 1/2 tank of gas, twice.
Also your EGR will clog up if you run less than 91 octane. These cars MUST have 91 minimum.
In my current market every month you drive that car without a payment you're saving about $150-170 for comparable value. If your average maintenance costs are over that much then I would consider getting a new one if you don't love your TL.
Please don't proceed with this service until you can get a itemized breakdown of the quote. Please share the quote with us and make sure to include the exact problem codes you're seeing.
My initial indication is that the dealer is not being honest with you (they do charge a lot for EGR service from what I've seen - 3-4 hours' labor).
To clean your fuel system you can put a can of seafoam in 1/2 tank of gas, twice.
Also your EGR will clog up if you run less than 91 octane. These cars MUST have 91 minimum.
In my current market every month you drive that car without a payment you're saving about $150-170 for comparable value. If your average maintenance costs are over that much then I would consider getting a new one if you don't love your TL.
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01tl4tl (12-19-2015)
12-19-2015, 10:33 AM
#4
Its the holidays and no one is taking their car in for service if they dont have to
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
12-19-2015, 10:40 AM
#5
Using 4th gear wont cause trans to slip! Many use 4th as their all around- in -town gear position- putting it in 5th only for freeway cruise
Its a slight drop in rpm which increases mpg,,if you own a TL and worry about minor fuel useage...sell it and get an econo-box
at your miles- have you done a trans fluid change? dont even ask about it at dealer!
and the water pump/timing belt job -- that was due at 105? done yet?
Its a slight drop in rpm which increases mpg,,if you own a TL and worry about minor fuel useage...sell it and get an econo-box
at your miles- have you done a trans fluid change? dont even ask about it at dealer!
and the water pump/timing belt job -- that was due at 105? done yet?
01-04-2016, 03:44 PM
#6
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Using 4th gear wont cause trans to slip! Many use 4th as their all around- in -town gear position- putting it in 5th only for freeway cruise
Its a slight drop in rpm which increases mpg,,if you own a TL and worry about minor fuel useage...sell it and get an econo-box
at your miles- have you done a trans fluid change? dont even ask about it at dealer!
and the water pump/timing belt job -- that was due at 105? done yet?
Its a slight drop in rpm which increases mpg,,if you own a TL and worry about minor fuel useage...sell it and get an econo-box
at your miles- have you done a trans fluid change? dont even ask about it at dealer!
and the water pump/timing belt job -- that was due at 105? done yet?
01-11-2016, 12:36 PM
#7
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Oh man.
Please don't proceed with this service until you can get a itemized breakdown of the quote. Please share the quote with us and make sure to include the exact problem codes you're seeing.
My initial indication is that the dealer is not being honest with you (they do charge a lot for EGR service from what I've seen - 3-4 hours' labor).
To clean your fuel system you can put a can of seafoam in 1/2 tank of gas, twice.
Also your EGR will clog up if you run less than 91 octane. These cars MUST have 91 minimum.
In my current market every month you drive that car without a payment you're saving about $150-170 for comparable value. If your average maintenance costs are over that much then I would consider getting a new one if you don't love your TL.
Please don't proceed with this service until you can get a itemized breakdown of the quote. Please share the quote with us and make sure to include the exact problem codes you're seeing.
My initial indication is that the dealer is not being honest with you (they do charge a lot for EGR service from what I've seen - 3-4 hours' labor).
To clean your fuel system you can put a can of seafoam in 1/2 tank of gas, twice.
Also your EGR will clog up if you run less than 91 octane. These cars MUST have 91 minimum.
In my current market every month you drive that car without a payment you're saving about $150-170 for comparable value. If your average maintenance costs are over that much then I would consider getting a new one if you don't love your TL.
"Tech Verified concern & found 2 active codes
P1399 E.G.R. Valve failure
(Needs R&R E.G.R valve & clean ports & tubes
P1709 open gear selection switch failure
(Needs to replace shifter level sensor
Please note needs fuel induction service prior to service"
I just bought 2 cans of Seafoam. Now you suggest putting both of them at the same setting correct? And this will take care of the fuel induction service the dealer recommends? And no need for the dealer to perform this work anymore?
I always use the highest octane gas - 91. I never use less so not sure why I would even have this problem.
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01-11-2016, 12:42 PM
#8
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Its the holidays and no one is taking their car in for service if they dont have to
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
Or I also need to put it in the intake manifold?
Last edited by TL260power; 01-11-2016 at 12:45 PM.
01-11-2016, 03:59 PM
#9
Seafoam will clean the filter in your gas tank but otherwise it's geared mostly at the engine. It'll clean the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and piston tops as mentioned.
Do it twice, each time with a can in 1/2 tank of fuel. That's doing some serious cleaning and you'll notice a drop in gas mileage and performance while it's in your tank. I did mine at about 155K miles or so and noticed a slight boost in MPG afterward.
You can also put some in your oil/crank or use the vacuum to ingest it into the top of your engine but this is to address different issues that you probably aren't having.
I would definitely recommend the EGR cleaning whether you do it (save $) or have the dealer do it. It should be around $300 or so for that service based on what I've seen other people pay for it. I'm not sure on what the shift sensor would cost though.
If you do decide to go with the original quote then I'd get them to agree to do a valve adjustment and maybe replace engine mounts and then it'd probably be well worth the price.
Do it twice, each time with a can in 1/2 tank of fuel. That's doing some serious cleaning and you'll notice a drop in gas mileage and performance while it's in your tank. I did mine at about 155K miles or so and noticed a slight boost in MPG afterward.
You can also put some in your oil/crank or use the vacuum to ingest it into the top of your engine but this is to address different issues that you probably aren't having.
I would definitely recommend the EGR cleaning whether you do it (save $) or have the dealer do it. It should be around $300 or so for that service based on what I've seen other people pay for it. I'm not sure on what the shift sensor would cost though.
If you do decide to go with the original quote then I'd get them to agree to do a valve adjustment and maybe replace engine mounts and then it'd probably be well worth the price.
01-14-2016, 06:53 PM
#11
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Ok so I put 2 cans of Seafoam in 1/2 tank of gas. Now can I tell the dealer that I won't need the fuel injectors clean? They recommend to get this done first before they perform the other jobs.
01-31-2016, 10:18 PM
#12
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Its the holidays and no one is taking their car in for service if they dont have to
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
That means Service Writers- who often dont know anything about cars- try to extract as much money as possible from every car that comes thru the door
DIY: 2 hours at casual pace for complete egr system cleaning- its not the valve- that just needs some lube, but the passages and ports INSIDE of the intake manifold need a good scrub out every 75kmiles. Remove manifold from car to service
Without an exhaust gas report, or camera inside a cylinder= they cant prove carbon build-up..it exist but not as most would understand it to be
Seafoam removes that carbon layer and other crud, cleans the fuel lines, injectors, intake valves and pistons.
2 cans are 15-20$ total. Will do more than the 159$ `on sale for $99` induction cleaning, where they hook up a machine with gasoline and - wait for it- usually Seafoam! added to the fuel = they let it idle for 30 minutes to loosen the crud.
Need to go for a serious blowout drive after- but that doesnt happen at the dealer.
We use seafoam in gas tank and drive it over a few weeks- trips over 30 minutes work best as heat and time are seafoams friends
Use it and it will be your new best friend-- and thing you add every 6 months to maintain clean internals
Can also be used as oil system cleaner right before oil and filter change!
Or you think the dealer will make up an excuse that they need to do it to secure the work?
Last edited by TL260power; 01-31-2016 at 10:20 PM.
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