Tried something different
Keep ur negative comments to ur self
I'm running on 2453022
22x9 wit a +38 offset

 

One pic is it, must see more

 

 

Right from the picture I can tell you that your fronts rub on the inner fender when at full lock and under hard braking. I have 215/65/r17 tires on, and I get slight rub when under extreme braking.

Other than that, I like it. Wheels look good on the car. And you already know this, but you will get tons of hate from "slammed" people. They break oil pans, can't enter gas station, can't enter drive ways, have to avoid every pothole, can't drive faster than 55, and are reduced to single life as they can't drive to their date's house.... but they ride low and that is cool

 

Lol yeah ur right but i like to cruise I'm not in to the racing thing
@ 1st gencl idk how to upload more of the other pics I have u can check out my profile to see the other pics

 

location: houston...makes sense.

negative comment.

 

oh wow

 

Ignorant comment.

 

100% factual.

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-problems-fixes-114/cracked-oil-pan-taking-off-heads-842179/ - Broken pan, I can link 10 more at will.

Slammed cars entering slightly curved drive way.
Slammed cars trying to cope with an extremely difficult obstacle...known as speedbump. This covers the pothole part.

 

Sounds like a bit of a blanket statement. I could say most people running big rims have to run such a thin tire that they have to be just as mindful of potholes, bumps, rubbing, etc. Not to mention a much wider turning circle.

 

really?

 

I don't think those miatas are slammed...those cars are like knee height from the factory hah

and that "slightly curved driveway" ...doesn't look as slight as you put it

but anyways, i think 20s would look better on the 2G than 22s and i dig the side window VIP style curtains. on a caddy, i say this is just right. on a TL, eh...whatever works for you dude

 

but slammed cars give more epic rolling shots

 

Don't get me wrong I like slam rides
I just wanted to do something different

 

theres "lowered" and then theres "slammed". i wont "slam" because of oil pan issues and i have a kid in the back so you have a point. lowered almost to the point of slamming is actually functional for so many reasons, drivablity and handling being just a couple.

can you tell me what purpose your car serves being jacked up? it might have a factory ride, but its nowhere near as good in the handling department and ya, you can go mudding in yours, but im just going to call that fuckin retarded.

ignant comment for ignant comment. also, ugly is as ugly does.

 

So you're in houston huh, I'll give a honk if I ever see you. I'm sure I won't miss you LOL big wheels

 

So, you have 215 65 17 on a TL?

65??? what are you? thin and tall?

So you like it when you car: Can't accelerate, Can't stop, instant -10mpg, Can't read your MPH accurately, Can't drive through pothole because you will crack your dubs, Can't feel your ass because it feels just as bumpy as slammed car. You sure can drive faster than 55 because all you need to do is 40, then you will be doing 55.

 

man this thread is gonna be epic

 

Lol that's what's up

 

Sure sign that a car thread will go downhill quickly - post up something with a controversial style, then tell everyone to keep their "negative comments" to themselves.

 

It's amazing that these race cars never go faster than 55. I can see that you're highly educated about suspension.



Plus you should always avoid potholes, no matter what you're driving. And while I'm not exactly slammed, I've never had a problem picking up my girlfriend. She's driven the car many times with no issues either. You just have to be more cautious when you're lowered.

 

My most recent lowered car...it went a "little" past 55:

 

 

 

The tire is upsized, not the wheel. The speedo/odometer would be off, but not the rest of the stuff you said.

 

65 was referring his 17" wheels

rest of the stuff was referring the 22" wheels.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by oonowindoo

So, you have 215 65 17 on a TL?

My car does sit on 215/65/R17 tires. Handling, stopping, and acceleration are unaffected; MPG is increased. I already posted a thread on how mileage is actually increased with taller tires due to reduced RPM load when cruising.

No point in trying to bring in the dedicated race cars and German Q ships into this discussion. Those cars are lowered for a dedicated purpose- high speed and being on the race track.

When I see Japanese FWD cars sitting 2" off the ground, this has absolutely no benefit to utility of the car. Few people on this site who actually race their cars can benefit from having a lowered (not slammed) car. The "street racers" in accords, civics, and maximas who proclaim that their slammed car handles better when they do "mad turns" after their shift at McDonalds do not warrant consideration.

OP’s car riding on 22s will be just as practical as car on the normal wheels. Performance will NOT be affected to a huge degree. Proof, here is the CD doing the test.

I am 100% against modifications to cars that take away functionality. There are aesthetic modifications, and then there are functional modifications. When you lower the car where its primary function of being a transportation device is severely compromised (as is the case of slammed cars) - you are adversely affecting the functionality of the vehicle.

Adding 22s decreases the car's functionality a lot less than slamming it.

My car is lifted for a dedicated reason of going through the forest roads, snow so I can enjoy the active lifestyle without owning two cars. Functionality and utility of my car are increased- hence modification is valuable.

I drove a car on 65 series tires through every off-road terrain available in Arizona including the dedicated rally stages of Prescott Rally and after I got done I drove it to the drag strip AS-IS. Outside of the transmission giving a sissy fit once, I have not experience one mechanical failure. Not one. Higher ride height and lift make TL a lot more versatile. Accord Crosstour, Audi Allroad, Subaru Outback are essentially lifted regular cars that were slightly modified to be suitable for off-road driving. By adding the lift and bigger tires to the TL I increased its functionality without sacrificing any tangible performance.

Snow, desert, rally, forest? Here you go. What can a slammed car do?

 

Bullshit. You increased the overall final drive ratio. Your car will accelerate slower.

 

^ True,
the added weight from the wheels will slow your take off's down as well.



Are you at factory height ?

 

That Car & Driver article compared 19's with an overall tire diameter of 25.5" which is only .5" taller than the OEM 195/65-15 on that Golf test car.

The 245/30-22 tires are 27.8" in diameter which is 2.3" taller than OEM TL 215/50-17s. So that article does not really help your case. You can't conclude from the article that a tire that is over 2" taller will not affect performance.

IIRC your gas mileage thread contained flawed logic as well.

 

 

you do understand that THAT car and driver article is talking about plus sizing wheels?? the tire circumference stays the same so there is no adverse effect. using various tire size calculators shows that it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep the factory diameter with a 22" wheel. not only is the speedometer off but you are risking MORE of a blowout by whatever tire size you put on a 22 inch wheel. your addition of that C&D article is therefore invalid.

I will even go as far as to quote the article "We do know that the heavy, 19-inch setup suffered from the most impact harshness and seemed to tax the suspension the most." ... "And remember, unless you believe it is better to look good than to feel good, take our advice and stay away from extremely low-profile sidewalls and massively heavy wheels."

Then by this statement there is NO reason for you to bring in the Accord Crosstour, Audi Allroad, and Subaru Outback which have been lifted from the factory with DEDICATED PURPOSE.

 

03tLsNBP, flawed logic? I missed the evidence that you provided to disprove it. Increasing the tire diameter without increasing the wheel size will increase the mileage. The net effect is that your RPMs are lower at any given speed. Don't bring up 33" tires on trucks, as this is not applicable here. Street car with 15% increase in sidewall height is NOT a truck on mud tires. Car is still getting 400+ miles per tank of mixed driving and 450+ of highway driving at 85MPH. As far as 22" wheels, re-read my post. I said that performance will not be affected to the drastic effect as someone posted.

richardparke, what added weight? New wheels are 17" and are lighter than stock 17" wheels.

civicdrivr, car staying longer in VTEC zone in first, second, and third negates the "gearing up" effect of tires. I can make a video of car accelerating on 65 series tires and post it along with car accelerating on 50 series tires...they will be identical.

peewizzle, do I care about the blowout? You bring up the blowout when slammed cars have to worry about destroyed oil pans, same blowouts, and can't be used for regular driving?

And Crosstour, Allroad, and Outback are 100% applicable here as I drive my car off-road constantly, and it is lifted for a purpose of going offroad. Are you implying that slammed and daily driven FWD Maximas, Accords, Civics, TLs are being used at the stock car race circuits weekly? Or are you implying that slammed FWD car is somehow in a same league as M5; M5 that was built from the ground up to be 100% dedicated performance machine and would sh!t on ANYTHING but 5 digit exotics. Crosstour and similar vehicles are regular cars that were SLIGHTLY modified to handle the rough terrain.

 

Please do post the video. But for the sake of the experiment, make sure the tests are conducted on the same car, on the same road, in the same weather conditions in an effort to keep the variables to a minimum.

Your tires are 2.5" taller then stock, you most certainly will notice a difference in acceleration (for the reasons mentioned in my previous post) and handling due to the taller, softer sidewall (more sidewall, more flex).

 

I am not even going to comment on what you just said.

I am being serious, everything you know about everything is wrong.

 

You do know that 2.5" taller than stock height will result in inaccurate mileage per tank.

You are basically lying to yourself that you get better mileage from taller tires. In reality you don't

and wtf is 5 digit exotics? $10,000?

 

 

When did i say you cared about blowouts? when did i ever imply anything? you are presenting evidence to back your "theories" up and i am presenting counter evidence. if i scroll up and can clearly see, you are the first person to offer a negative/ignorant comment. you gave statements CLEARLY biased against lowered/slammed vehicles. then you go on and present a video of miatas and supras and 240s. going over a speed bump and going up a what you call "slight" hill. hmm 2013 and lowered/slammed cars can't go over 55mph huh?? interesting...that we see lowered/slammed cars driving on americas highways every single day...ESPECIALLY in TX

you then say we have to worry about cracked pans but who's to say you can't crack your pan during your offroading escapades. i am pretty sure that us lowered folk are a lot safer going 55mph closer to the ground, than being whatever inches higher than stock where the aerodynamics seem like you'll take off like a plane.

you say we brought up race cars but yet there is only ONE picture of a bunch of porsches going around a corner. nobody ever said we were race cars. nor implied that. i countered that by saying you bring up the Crosstour, Allroad, and outback. those are made to have offroad capability and if you aren't already aware...the TL most certainly is NOT meant for that. it's not like you did much to reinforce your TL either, if i recall in a thread you started. you lifted your TL by adding a, and i quote your thread... "2.5" tall rubber snail insert into each coil spring" so basically all you jammed something in between your springs to create lift... here is a link to said thread for everyone to see.https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-photograph-gallery-99/first-off-road-drive-after-lift-875524/ as far as things compare, you are in the same boat as people who lower/slam their cars. you added something to raise, we changed something to lower. except our lowering springs/coilover setups have been tried and tested...jus saying

lastly, when did ANYONE say slammed/lowered vehicles were being raced or used at the track?? also when did anyone compare a slammed honda/acura/maxima to an M5??? you blatantly compared your TL to the crosstour, outback, and all road kind sir.

i don't know why you are getting butt hurt. nobody in this thread spoke negatively of OP and his 22s. you clearly started the biased argument with your post. we simply brought up evidence to disprove your insane theory of lord knows what.

 

Maybe i did not read the whole thread but, my response was to the guy with the 22's. i read civic's post and seen op i did not know thread went i different way since i did not read the whole thing.

 

I am sure you know the formula for circumference of the circle. C= 2*PI*r. Larger tire will record lower mileage on the odometer; larger tire covers more ground per revolution. Odometer will register the mileage based on the stock tire dimensions; hence it will be understated. I already did the calculation for each tire size, so my # are accurate. If you really want to get into physics of it: lower engine revolutions are required to sustain the same speed when tire size is increased and rim size remains the same, if amount of gas required to maintain the momentum of larger tires is lower than the amount of gas conserved from running the engine at lower revolutions you will save gas.

Good job on finding the typo, it was meant to be 6.

peewizzle, absolutely not getting butt hurt over this. I am rather enjoying this discussion. 22" TL combined with my comment about the slammed cars produced a very entertaining thread in the 2G section. Certainly breaks up my routine at work.