If you can afford it, get coils.

Coils > any spring/shock combo.

 

I didnt say they dont, i said they dont really. Especially the ones that are street use. Something like the Race will stiffen, but most of the stiffness in ride does comes from the shocks. My setup with konis and h&Rs is near stock on the softest setting. adjusting them firm becomes very stiff with little to no dive squat or roll.

 

alrights thx bug

 

Not necessarily. I have run coilovers in the past and i much prefer shock and springs. The other thing in snow belt areas coilovers dont tend to last. The adjustability goes out the window pretty quick once the sand and salt get to them (been there fought with that).

 

I see. Well, unless you get custom valved shocks, you won't have the optimum setup that coils provide, since the springs/shocks of the coils were specifically made for each other.

If you're saying that coilovers don't last because the adjustability goes out the window, I'll give that aspect to you. You won't be able to adjust them after some time passes, but the actual "suspension" function of the coils will last just about forever. However, this won't be as big of a factor if you live in relatively arid climate areas such as myself in SoCal.

Also, how many people actually tinker with their coils that much? I for one took the time to get my setup the way I wanted it when I first installed my set, and have never messed with them since. I think the majority of people are in the same boat, although I could be wrong?

Unless you get custom valved shocks specifically made to be mated to your springs, coils > springs/shocks.

 

The konis are valved almost perfect for the H&R. Bilstien can be refalved as well pretty easy for them. Ive run plenty of coilovers and i much prefer setups like i have. I have found much better ride and performance out of them as opposed to coilovers. Most out there are more for ride height than performance. That has just been my experience with my various rides.
Now i do wish that H&R made a complete coilover kit for the TL like they do for some of the other cars.

 

If springs can provide a drop, eliminate front/rear pitching on quick starts/hard stops, and with the aid of sway bars, reduce roll in cornering, why even bother with anything other than stock struts/shocks? For daily drivers, it would seem springs and sway bars would be enough to satisfy most needs.

 

They do for 3G TL's.

 

Stock struts won't last very long with lowering springs.

 

Springs wont eliminate the pitching, a good shock that is adjustable will. Stock struts arent designed to be run lowered, arent valved for it and will wear out faster. A decent set of shocks will allow you to fine tune the ride

 

Doesnt help us though

 

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True, true.

 

So is there a way to get my car stiffer and not lower it or is that a price i need to pay if i want to end up having a stiffer ride ????

im told that if i take the springs it will become harder but if i leave the same dampers my car will not lower ? is that true or is that horse SH*T please let me know

 

I think a lot of folks (I used to) assume when someone says 'lower their car', they think of extreme lowering, where the top of the tire is covered by the wheel well. They don't realize that a 1.5 - 2.0" drop is really nothing. Here are some pics of before and after a 1.75" drop.

BEFORE


AFTER


As you can see, this is not drastic at all. You might not even notice how much room there is above the wheel in a stock setup until you see something like this.

 

perfect thank you that helps a lot im getting a 1.5 lower so it should just be perfect for me thanks again for the help

 

my sister's accord suspension broke from springs haha ><