advance the timing by 1 link will this make a difference in performance?

 

Please tell me your not in the middle of changing out the timing belt and are contemplating whether or not to put the belt on skipping a tooth? That will not work.

 

Nope haven't done timing yet. Im doing the timing and valve adj soon and some guy told me he advance the timing on his car by 2links. I just asked my manager he said NOO! do not do it lol it will throw everything off. That's why i ask.

 

Your engine will not run right without proper engine management.

 

You cant accurately advance timing by doing that. Your car will NOT run right, especially without some sort of engine management system. There are no adjustable can gears either for our cars.

 

especially since honda's vtec system already uses hydrolics to advance thecam gear and increase lift. If you messed with timing and got it wrong youwould run the risk of doing some valve slapping when your Vtec kicked in. Mysuggestion, get a Vtec controller and set the Vtec to kick in around 3600 rpms(*Not truly timing advance). fsttyms1 is right, if you really are serious abouttiming advance go drop the 1800 on the AEM programmable ECM and save yourselfan engine rebuild.

 

Dropping the Vtec is NOT a good idea either. It wont give you any performance gain, BUT 3rd gen members have found raising it a few hundred rpm gained them HP

 

Fsttyms1 what's the theory behind doing this? What would raising the V-Tec trigger RPM do to make more power?

 

^flatten the torque curve.
Or at least thats what we have found.

Acura wised up in the 3G TL-S.


the base 3.2 has vtec set at 4500 or some where close to that RPM.
in the type-s 3.5, Acura raised it to almost 5k RPM.

and this is what we have found to be true for the base TL's.
if you raise vtec to 5k, you get a smooth flat torque band!!! instead of it dropping towards the end of the graph

 

Ahh that makes sense... flatten out the torque and let it push out a few more horses. Is this safely doable with the 2nd gen TL-S?

 

considering that we have generally the same j32, yes.
but; the problem lies in tuning.
where do you find this magical tuning key?

can you safely do it with what ever tuning options that you have for the 2G?

Hondata has just released a "jpro" for the 07 and 08 TL's.
they can advance timing, raise vtec and all sorts of other stuff.

however, the 04-06 TL's are out of luck as we use a different type of ecu than the 07-08s.

 

So... the J32A3 setup can do this? and the J32A2 cannot? or is it only the 07+ J35 motors?
Its just so sad that the only option for us J32 guys is a stand alone system. There should be some sort of Piggy Back option!

 

^no, it has nothing to do with the motor.
all to do with the ECU.

your motor is CLOSELY related to mine.
you have a J32. I have a J32. what I can do to mine; you can imitate. vice versa.

the problem lies within the ECU.
Hondata has found that the ECU in the 07+ can reflash in a matter of minutes, because of the ECU type(im not sure canbus???)
the 06 and lowers uses a ECU that takes FOREVER to flash.
this is bad for flashing because if the signal gets interrupted then you have a paper weight for an ECU.

then the 03's and lower uses a totally different kind of ECU.

the 3rd gen is also DRIVE BY WIRE.

 

You could get a Vtec controller and adjust the vtec point but you still wouldnt be able to tune it. There simply is no way to tune it without a full stand alone.

 

Cool. Yeah I would take fsttyms1's advice on the Vtec point he is most likely a lot smarter than me on that stuf . The vtec controller idea was my 400 dollar solution to an 1800 dollar AEM ECU. But definately if you are serious about programing down to the injector pulse with and ignition degrees before TDC then you will need a tune able ECU.

 

MegaSquirt has some interesting option on their ECU's, the problem I've run into in looking at information on them is making the coil-packs work without having to swap coil-pack brands (eg: LS1 coil packs, some Ford ESIS thing, ect). But it's much more affordable but a much, MUCH larger learning curve.

 

Has anyone dabbled in finding a OEM ECU that would swap into the 2G's and be tuner friendly? something out of an Accord or MDX/Odyssey? Or are they basically running the same ECU platform as the 2G's? Would be great to be able to find a tuneable ECU, flash/program it with my 2G Type-S factory program/tune, then tune it from there...

 

I'm pretty sure the AEM EMS had option for setting VTEC at different RPMs.

 

This is your only hope for a ECU for now.

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-cl-2001-2003-50/yungone501s-excessive-infatuation-j-series-873314/