99 TL vs. TL Type S
99 TL vs. TL Type S
I have a 99 TL and my third is very long probably beacuse its a 4 speed intead of a 5 speed. I want mine to run like a type S or even be close to his bumper jaja. What can I do to make run faster that I could race a motor that has v6 260hp and win... I only have 225 stock.
only the 99 has a 4spd. actually its a good thing. my original tranny just got rebuilt at 143,625 miles and I could have run it to 150k. 5spd rarely ever last that long. the 5spds do shift faster and smoother when operating properly, but when you throw on all the bolt-on's 1st thru 3rd pulls much harder than a stock tl-s at least my car does, I have I/H/E/P/S and few other small engine mods.
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Originally Posted by zerep6
SO instead of buying the supercharger for the type s I buy the one for the accord v6....what else can I buy of the accord
i just started a thread to get the exact details bro (on i/h/e/p/s) so i'll pass it on.. i would continue in this thread but i want to make it obvious instead of ppl thinking its another "comparison thread" between the TL and TLs.
Originally Posted by 00 acura tl
what do you mean a lot of stress?
Have you ever looked at how much it would cost to get an 02 s? I went from a 99 tl like yours to an 02 s and it is a night and day difference. 35 hp may not seem like much, but it feels SO much faster than my 99. Not to mention the sprot seats, guages, steering wheel, better wheels, stiffer suspension, etc. You really get alot for your money. I honestly don't see anyway that you could gain over a second in the quarter mile on that car without forced induction or nitrous. And what if it is possible to make your car faster than a type s? Is it going to be worth more after a few grand in upgrades? No. Just my opinon for what its worth.
Come to think of it, my dad's 2000 (with the 5 speed auto) felt a noticably faster than my 99 too. I think the 4 speed just kills the higher gear acceleration, or maybe my car was a dog. Who knows?
Man I'll put my 99 up against any stock tl-s and beat it over and over. I've done ti several times and to maxima's and even an 03 G35 5AT. I've driven stock tl-s' and they do not pull nearly as hard as my car and I don't have FI or nitrous, just all the bolt on's.
Originally Posted by Sust Man
Have you ever looked at how much it would cost to get an 02 s? I went from a 99 tl like yours to an 02 s and it is a night and day difference. 35 hp may not seem like much, but it feels SO much faster than my 99. Not to mention the sprot seats, guages, steering wheel, better wheels, stiffer suspension, etc. You really get alot for your money. I honestly don't see anyway that you could gain over a second in the quarter mile on that car without forced induction or nitrous. And what if it is possible to make your car faster than a type s? Is it going to be worth more after a few grand in upgrades? No. Just my opinon for what its worth.
I agree- get the TL-s with your coin...of course, you'll want to mod it too, so perhaps a sportbike is the way to go!!
Well, this is interesting and all, but this is what I am proposing.
Can anyone with bolt-on's provide me with HP gain with each part separately. Doesn't have to be exact to pinpoint.
And provide me with HP with all bolt-on's tobether. If that is not too much to ask for. I would greatly appreciate your help.
Oh and SBUSWELL, I that you are doing pretty good against Tl-s, are you running yours on manual or automatic???
thanks
Can anyone with bolt-on's provide me with HP gain with each part separately. Doesn't have to be exact to pinpoint.
And provide me with HP with all bolt-on's tobether. If that is not too much to ask for. I would greatly appreciate your help.
Oh and SBUSWELL, I that you are doing pretty good against Tl-s, are you running yours on manual or automatic???
thanks
Let me put it this way.
TL-S, 260HP 25% drivetrain loss= 195WHP
TL-P, 225HP 25% drivetrain loss= 168.75 WHP
Difference 26.25WHP advantage to the TL-S
I have:
Headers= 20WHP
CAI= 6-8WHP
UR Pulley= 8-10WHP
Catback exhaust= 2WHP
Spacer kit= 3-5WHP
also idirium ix plugs, grounding kit and redtop battery= 2-3WHP realistically
Total= 39-45WHP more.
168.75 + 39= 207.75-212.75WHP which is 12.75-17.75WHP more than a TL-S. I understand I have a 4 speed and they are taller gears than the 5 speed, but from 1st through 3rd I can easily pull on a stock TL-s, when I hit 4th at about 105MPH my car doesn't pull as hard as a TL-S would at 105 being that it will go into 4th gear soon, but 4th is much shorter than my 4th gear of course so the TL-S would gain and eventually crawl slowly past me. I also take extremely good care of my car and know every little thing about it so I have it running at its top potential.
TL-S, 260HP 25% drivetrain loss= 195WHP
TL-P, 225HP 25% drivetrain loss= 168.75 WHP
Difference 26.25WHP advantage to the TL-S
I have:
Headers= 20WHP
CAI= 6-8WHP
UR Pulley= 8-10WHP
Catback exhaust= 2WHP
Spacer kit= 3-5WHP
also idirium ix plugs, grounding kit and redtop battery= 2-3WHP realistically
Total= 39-45WHP more.
168.75 + 39= 207.75-212.75WHP which is 12.75-17.75WHP more than a TL-S. I understand I have a 4 speed and they are taller gears than the 5 speed, but from 1st through 3rd I can easily pull on a stock TL-s, when I hit 4th at about 105MPH my car doesn't pull as hard as a TL-S would at 105 being that it will go into 4th gear soon, but 4th is much shorter than my 4th gear of course so the TL-S would gain and eventually crawl slowly past me. I also take extremely good care of my car and know every little thing about it so I have it running at its top potential.
Originally Posted by zerep6
The headers give 20hp gain wow! One question having pulleys makes your power sterring and other components work slower?
Originally Posted by sbuswell
Headers= 20WHP
CAI= 6-8WHP
UR Pulley= 8-10WHP
Catback exhaust= 2WHP
Spacer kit= 3-5WHP
also idirium ix plugs, grounding kit and redtop battery= 2-3WHP realistically
CAI= 6-8WHP
UR Pulley= 8-10WHP
Catback exhaust= 2WHP
Spacer kit= 3-5WHP
also idirium ix plugs, grounding kit and redtop battery= 2-3WHP realistically
Originally Posted by Muhtish
what is a spacer kit?
Originally Posted by Muhtish
and how is it that battery matters?
Originally Posted by MikePA
Outlaw Engineering intake manifold spacers. Plenty of threads on this.
It doesn't and neither do the plugs and grounding kit add horsepower.
It doesn't and neither do the plugs and grounding kit add horsepower.
Adding HP no, but freeing a tiny bit up by allowing your car to run smoother, I believe it does. If it doesn't add or free HP is certain smooths out the power output a little which is only a good thing.
yea but if u get a types and do all of the same mods...the type s stil has 27 or so whp more than any bolt on modded 99-01 TLP...i had a 2001 TLP with all the mods and i was crushing stock type s' but wen it came to a modded type s i lost...so i decided to get a type s and do all of the bolt ons and its redicuolous the amount of power the car has..i also am savin up for the 6MT conversion to unleash alot of lost power
also i do agree better plugs and more juice (battery) to the car does help with engine performance and may free up 1-3 HP
also i do agree better plugs and more juice (battery) to the car does help with engine performance and may free up 1-3 HP
Originally Posted by MikePA
Outlaw Engineering intake manifold spacers. Plenty of threads on this.
It doesn't and neither do the plugs and grounding kit add horsepower.
It doesn't and neither do the plugs and grounding kit add horsepower.
Originally Posted by sbuswell
Adding HP no, but freeing a tiny bit up by allowing your car to run smoother, I believe it does. If it doesn't add or free HP is certain smooths out the power output a little which is only a good thing.
You seem quite confident that you can destroy any stock TL-S out there, but 20 hp out of headers......maybe possible, 15-17 is more likely. Power gains out of a battery upgrade, please. And claiming that your 4 speed is a speed advantage in one of the other threads......yeah, ok. I promise, a 5 speed (non S) with the same mods that you have would win.
Originally Posted by TNelson
Agreed, the grounding kit and battery wont do shit to improve hp.
How exactly would it free it up. The car is not old enough to have grounds starting to go bad. And how exactly does it free up a tiny bit with the battery or grounds? Less drag from the alternator? WRONG.
You seem quite confident that you can destroy any stock TL-S out there, but 20 hp out of headers......maybe possible, 15-17 is more likely. Power gains out of a battery upgrade, please. And claiming that your 4 speed is a speed advantage in one of the other threads......yeah, ok. I promise, a 5 speed (non S) with the same mods that you have would win.
How exactly would it free it up. The car is not old enough to have grounds starting to go bad. And how exactly does it free up a tiny bit with the battery or grounds? Less drag from the alternator? WRONG.
You seem quite confident that you can destroy any stock TL-S out there, but 20 hp out of headers......maybe possible, 15-17 is more likely. Power gains out of a battery upgrade, please. And claiming that your 4 speed is a speed advantage in one of the other threads......yeah, ok. I promise, a 5 speed (non S) with the same mods that you have would win.
Is this MikePA's bother?
Negativity is your best friend I bet. Yes a 5ps TL-P with the same mods as me would be faster. I don't doubt that. I will however defend the fact that my car is faster than a stock TL-S. I have driven both and raced 2 and my car does pull harder from 3800-redline. I gateshift very well also and know how to launch without spinning. That's an advantage for me against most kids that just jump on it without thinking. If you want to state a reasonable disagreement with my opinion(s) then by all means, but don't trash on my post like a true noob.
Originally Posted by TNelson
Agreed, the grounding kit and battery wont do shit to improve hp.
How exactly would it free it up. The car is not old enough to have grounds starting to go bad. And how exactly does it free up a tiny bit with the battery or grounds? Less drag from the alternator? WRONG..
How exactly would it free it up. The car is not old enough to have grounds starting to go bad. And how exactly does it free up a tiny bit with the battery or grounds? Less drag from the alternator? WRONG..
Originally Posted by sbuswell
Is this MikePA's bother?
Negativity is your best friend I bet. Yes a 5ps TL-P with the same mods as me would be faster. I don't doubt that. I will however defend the fact that my car is faster than a stock TL-S. I have driven both and raced 2 and my car does pull harder from 3800-redline. I gateshift very well also and know how to launch without spinning. That's an advantage for me against most kids that just jump on it without thinking. If you want to state a reasonable disagreement with my opinion(s) then by all means, but don't trash on my post like a true noob.
Negativity is your best friend I bet. Yes a 5ps TL-P with the same mods as me would be faster. I don't doubt that. I will however defend the fact that my car is faster than a stock TL-S. I have driven both and raced 2 and my car does pull harder from 3800-redline. I gateshift very well also and know how to launch without spinning. That's an advantage for me against most kids that just jump on it without thinking. If you want to state a reasonable disagreement with my opinion(s) then by all means, but don't trash on my post like a true noob.I trash your post because of stuff like this:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...60#post1700360
Claiming 10 HP out of a tune up.
Everybody else in that thread seems to think those numbers are spot on, except for you..........Need I say more. But you still seem to like posting inflated numbers. ex:this thread and the one posted.And here you go claiming that the 4 speed will pull harder in the first 3 gears.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...39#post1661639
1st thru 3rd pulls much harder than a stock tl-s
So further spaced gearing in a med / low hp car is a good thing? Shit, maybe I should get my gearing changed out from a 4.5 to a 1.7 final drive and go run 10s.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Actually better material used in grounds will help out with the way the car runs. There are grounding kits out there that are proven to improve the car
Look man. I dont doubt that you beat a couple stock TL-S cars. Not really suprised, a modded car beating a stock one. SUPRISE!!! But unless you are beating them by more than 3-4 carlengths, its a drivers race. You said it yourself that you knew how to launch and knew how to drive, and the people you were racing didnt. Thats enough to make the difference right there. I have seen a car with a consistent .6 advantage at the track get worked off the line on the street and lose. It happens. I just think your hp claims are a bit over the top for each mod......you got dynos to back all that up?
I have a 99 TL and am trying to put an intake. I've looked every where and they tell me that no one makes an cold air intake for the 99. I thought that i can fit a 2000 cold air into my car, is that possible?
Originally Posted by BxPortoRoc
I have a 99 TL and am trying to put an intake. I've looked every where and they tell me that no one makes an cold air intake for the 99. I thought that i can fit a 2000 cold air into my car, is that possible?
Tnelson. You are new to this site hence you are a noob to this site. Coming on here and singling anyone out and claiming your knowledge and your "opinion" is better is fine if you approach the issue in a mature manner, but your childish antics and negative tone of your posts is uncalled for. I never stated anything was a fact, but an opinion, which I am entitled to. Again if you disagree that's fine. Let's leave if off the threads because it doesn't belong here. Send me a PM if you disagree with my posts so passionately.






my coin went to 6 forward gears, i want boost now
