hey guys, i am from the Acura-Legend.com forum and my friend own an 99 acura tl. Anyways with the help of this site i gave him a list of mods to do, ie: headers, exhaust......
We were wondering with all the bolt on mods out there, who here can show a dyno sheet of what the are putting to the ground, and who has the most hp here. I am sorry if this has been discussed before also and not using search.lol.
He wants a sleeper with no bodykit or anything.......and its black. He is sick of the neons and civics wanting to race him.....and it is stock!! thanks in advance.

-swift
92' legend coupe 5spd

 

It's pretty much written in stone, a TL-P will get up to about 250- 260hp with headers, CAI, and a UR crank pulley. After those mods you can do the Mugan cooling mods which is a lower temp. 'stat and fan cooling switch, higher flowing mufflers (although the stock system is very good) lightweight wheels and so on. Now a Type-S with the same mods will get you to 300 or maybe even alittle more. As for 1/4 mile times, a well modded TL-P with good driver and cool day might get to 14.8 or 14.9......a Type-S well modded might do a 14.2 or 14.3. Add a S/C and you'll gain about 50 to 60 WHP for a car that will run in the 13's.

I know you asked "who has the most HP for 2nd gen" and honestly I don't know but I wanted to list how to get there for ya!

 

this is a dyno of my 2003tls mods = headers k&n filter & unichip

 

285 hp? Too high to be at the wheels with just a K&N filter, headers, and unichip, too low to be at the crank for a Type-S.

 

ya I was wondering what the heck was going on

 

the chart doesn't lie man.

 

285 hp at the wheels would be like 350 hp at the crank...not going to happen with that setup

 

hmmm..extra 35 hp is pretty damn good

 

So then the chart was all made up in an elaborate plan to fool all of us?

 

hey guys i hope this doesn't sound stupid but whats a unichip? sorry if i sound stupid i'm new on here just learnin

 

Im telling you, unless he had a 50 or 75 shot of NOS, there is no way an auto type s with those mods pushes 285 hp at the wheels...maybe a fully modded CLS 6 speed or if he had the Comptech supercharger.

 

285 whp cannot be right... that has to be at the crank. If those number were true with my current setup I would be at about 300whp..... which just cant be....

 

It sounds shady, but numbers don't lie.

 

how about a TL-P?

want to see a fully modded TL-P has a gd run with 210hp at the wheel

 

well thanks guys for the info and i hope the more experienced ones figure out about the dyno chart. My friend wants to do pulleys, (has cold air already), headers, exhaust, hopefully port and polish, and supercharger...( i forgot some mods i think), and we just want to know what the hp would be at the end. He has just the normal tl and he wants to get to 300hp at least at the crank. hope u guys supply more info. latta

 

I will try and get a scanner for my dyno-graph again, but those numbers are stratospheric...

I am only making 233hp/196tq in a TL-S with i/h/pulley and that--I think--is the highest, non-supercharged dyno (CL-S 6sp not included)...The supercharged cars are in the 275-300hp range (TL-S)...

There is no way his car put down those numbers with those mods, and a crank dyno seems totally unrealistic...

I have seen a few TL dyno's with all the mods putting down short of 200hp...I have seen a few w/ NOS putting down over 200hp...

 

right now i have headers intake and cat back, im gonna do ur crank pulley, unichip, and 100 shot of N20, ill get number up asap, shooting for 250 to the wheels with nitrous

 

i thought comptech dont make a SC for the tl-p

 

you can modify the accord v6 one or the type s SC to fit

 

how much modification are we talking about? i never knew that. opens up a whole new option for me now. will only the comptech V6 CS fit? or i can use any?

 

you can do a search on this website or the CL one to find out more info. I just remember reading that alot of times. Its nothing major - only external modifications to make it fit I believe.

 

I might be a candidate for that...check the sig. I got a dynotuning appointment for the 13th for the vafc and the new mods.

I know for sure KMAN156 (who got in a bad accident with his $100,000TL) had over lots more and NOS

 

i am after you

i got I/H/E

 

just to clear things up, my actual hp @ the wheel is 219.45. I too was confused when i saw the 285hp. It was explained to me by some of the cl members that the 285 was the hp at the flywheel. the formula is you take 23% from the B.H.P. to get your h.p. @ the wheel. Hope that clears things up.

 

So you're saying that a K&N filter, headers, and Unichip only yielded an extra 25 hp at the crank?

No way. What kind of a dynomometer was this? I don't think the shop accounted for the difference factor among dynos. For instance, my buddy put down 360 rwhp on his SR20DET-swapped 240SX on an axle dyno (forgot the brand). On a Dynojet, it put down 380 rwhp.

 

the whole point, is those dyno results are a little weird...they may have used a correction formula to give out crank HP, but they may have had the formula slightly off for the TL

 

i don't really understand how the dyno's work. the tech. that did my dyno told me that the 285 was my actual h.p.. but then other members told me that the b.h.p. stood for brake horse power (h.p. @ the flywheel). He had told me that out of the 12 or so cl & tls tested mine put out one of the most h.p.. this is a pic of the dyno. It was built in so. africa. i forget the mfg. name. sorry.>>>>>>>>http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...1337&pid=29793

 

ya dynos vary quite a bit in their design and purpose and results. that is why people need to get all their runs off of the same type of dyno to get accurate results.

 

so for example when acura advertises my stock car @ 265 hp what are they actually talking about? B.H.P.?

 

they are talking about bhp. whp on a tls is normally around 200-205

 

so according to the formula my whp after adding headers, unichip & filter, i only gained a total of about 19hp or so. That doesn't sound likes its even worth the while. i feel a lot more gain than it actually is i guess? i thougt headers were suppose to add about 20hp by themselves.

 

Yes and no...Remember, mods don't "stack" gains as you might think--they work in conjunction with one another. Brands of header may have variances, dynos have variances, weather/conditions are a factor.

Adding 20hp to the wheels is significant for performance, though the wonderful $$$ to hp ratio sucks pretty badly. Also, remember that this is whp that has been added. 219hp is pretty good. Most dynos on the TL-S with i/h/e are in the 225hp area. You are slightly below, but you have neither an intake or exhaust. Of course that likely wouldn't add more than another 10hp, but if you added them, the dyno variance may be off and you might get a screwy number. I have no exhaust, but have the pulley...Don't be too dsappointed...

The only real gains from here are NOS or the s/c kit...

 

all that i know is when ever someones trying to beat me off the line, it just doesn't happen. I'm happy.

 

I have i/h/e/p/vafc and i put 196.whp on a 2000TL, raced a CLs with just intake, i took him home by 1 1/2- 2 cars off the line.

 

ii'm lame i guess what does the vafc do?

 

it allows u to program the vtec to kick in sooner

 

....control a/f, shift points, air flow correction and who knows what else it does.
If you're modded, this is something YOU WANNA GET!! i have one too....unfortunately i dont know how it works

 

ITS JUST FOR SHOW :d MWAHAHAHA

Actually youll here ab unch of different explanations of what it does.

Basically it allows you to set the timing of vtec via rpm to kick in sooner or later and when you want it to disengadge. Thats the main main main function of it. Then you ahve the fuel corrections.

Basically your not oging to gain hp, your just going to have a much much much nicer hp and torque curve with it once its tuned

 

go get it dyno tuned !!! :d

 

The main purpose of the V-AFC II is the ability to modify air-to-fuel ratios at every 100 RPM to smooth out the powerband. The VTEC change is just a secondary function.

If you get the V-AFC II just to lower the VTEC, but don't get it tuned, then what's the point? The engine will need tuning after changing the VTEC engagement point.