kenbangbang

what's the difference?
which one is better?
i keep getting mixed reviews from them!!!

01tl4tl

water based paint is being phased into body shops across the country
Its getting hard to find a place not using it

fsttyms1

I still use typical solvent based paints (they arent oil based) I still like working with solvent based paints, especially when spraying in my garage as its easier to use (no need for air dryers or infrared heating). That said though water based paints will give the same strength and finish as the others.

Pros
Excellent coverage
Uses less product
Easy cleanup


Cons
More expensive
Different spray procedure
Different drying procedure
Need a dedicated spray gun

TouringLow

i hate how much more expensive waterbourne is. little harder to work with than solvent if you are first starting out, but if you are skilled they are pretty much the same.

01tl4tl

thank the government and environmental standards
What you can do at home versus what a shop is tied to with its revised venting system and associated conversion cost--adding swirl fan nozzles to the booth
old paint likes downdraft still air- the new stuff likes circulating airflow to dry and dries very quickly

My info is based soley on a recent tv show following overhaul procedures

kenbangbang

so there's no significant difference between the two besides cost?

TouringLow

too agree from personal experience...

i painted my front bumper, and installed it within 1 hour after natural drying.

Steen27

A few questions for the OP to asnwer that would allow others to help you out a little more...

What are you painting (whole car or parts - if parts - which ones) what color, where (shop w/ventilation or home garage), single or dual stage, what type of automotive painting experience and equipment do you currently have?

kenbangbang

whole car, SSM, shop with ventilation, dual stage, the shop has new equipment

fsttyms1

If a shop is doing it then i wouldnt worry about a thing. Paint wise its just as durable, just better for the environment.

ChampionFiyah

I need to get my front bumper repainted asap, It looks really bad

Steen27

Agree 100% as long as it's a quality shop.

Paint brand wise - PPG or Glasurit - would be my first choice (tied depending on color - SSM I think I'd go Glasurit), Dupont would be second....

But the main thing is that it's a quality shop that knows what their doing (if they consistently use a certain product don't ask them to use a different product just for you...)

85% of all paint jobs is prep - how good is the body prepped - how clean/straight is the bodywork? How well is the body sealed, sanded, primed, masked off?

10% is application - how clean they lay it down - how well they mix and spray the metallics and pearls so it doesn't appear splochy afterwards (and of course a clean booth that has good clean ventilation goes without saying).

5% is colorsanding and buffing it out... (you can def screw this up too but if you've got a shop that does the above - they'll usually do this part just fine...)

Bottom line - if you have seen cars before and after they are painted at that shop (if the car was flawless before it got painted and all you saw was the after - it can be misleading) and you are happy with their work - proceed... otherwise keep shopping - you get what you pay for with paint jobs cause it's all labor and skills.

Hope this helps...

ChampionFiyah

Glasurit line would look the best (with Glasurit clear) but it is very expensive. Over $600 a gallon for some colors (reds in particular). The PPG paint costs about half the price of the Glasurit, and it still looks damned good.

fsttyms1

PPG

Dupont/Spies Hecker and Lesonal paints are by far my favorite and preferred to spray with. To me they are the easiest to spray with the best overall finish.

kenbangbang

have you guys ever heard of something euro??? it's the one from germany

kenbangbang

serman/sherman williams too?? is that brand any good

sleepersho

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Sherwin williams, even though they've gotten a lot better in recent years, is still not high on the ladder.

If you really care that much about 'brand' then stick with glasurit, spies hecker, ppg or dupont. All those are quality paint systems and unless you do this for a living, i guarantee you're not going to 'see' much if any difference in the finished product.

If you're doing a complete repaint then color matching is not really an issue, since there is going to be color on the whole car and you're not having to blend color into a pre existing color.

No real benefit of going with water based paint, focus more on the shop that's going to be doing the work.

fsttyms1

If its a quality paint shop i can guarantee you WONT see a difference in the finish. Even if its blending. Paint for the most part is paint. How its applied is key. I can make a average paint look great and i have also managed to make the best paint look like crap. (<- im not proud of that) The painter and shop are the most important thing in any finish. Quit worrying about what they use and more about their work. Find a shop that you like the work they do, THEN see what they use. Most shops use PPG/Dupont/Lesonal. All are quality paints

fsttyms1

My last paint project (done in my garage in the dead of winter) pics on both pages, used Lesonal

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/my-s10-project-%2Aupdated%2A-2-7-09-a-707615/