Will i got an update from Shad at Comptech today.

Shad has put a S/C onto my 2000 TL. Currently is now has about 220HP@ wheels. So i guess its output is about the same as TLS.

Too bad this kit can't be kept on my car as Comptech still need to cast some TL specific parts.

I was hoping for more horses, but output similar to TLS will do. Now i am just waiting too see how much Shad will sell me the kit for.

 

What other mods do you have on your car? A stock TL-S puts out somewhere around 200 at the wheels.

 

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my tl is bone stock.

 

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So what is the stock HP to the wheels for your car? 190??

So if thats it, then you got 30hp to the wheels from the SC? Not bad.

 

I must be missing something. 30HP is good for a supercharger? I know it will be expensive so what is the horsepower at the wheels as opposed to at the crank.

 

I'm sorry but for $4K to $5K I expect 50 to 80 HP, not a measly 30, and I don't care where it's measured. IMO that is a poor return on a huge investment. Now if other breathing mods bring out bigger gains then we'll see.

 

Thats my point. I thought it would produce at least 50 hp, 30 sounds weak for 5k someone please convince me otherwise

 

I don't know how much HP that stock TL pull at wheels. But I would say around 180-190. So at the crank the HP with SC is probably going to be around 260HP.

But my e-mail stated that this kit is not complete. As some of the parts are accord parts not for TL use yet. So this is just an experiment.

 

Keep in mind guys that we're talking 30HP to the wheels. The HP to the crank wil be much higher. Perfect example is a stock TL-S...it's rated at 260 HP at the crank and only 200 HP make it to the wheels. I have never seen a company that will report true HP to the wheels b/c it always looks less appealing.

 

BOOOOOO Comptech. That's it?. Piss poor. Hello NOS. 4000+ for 30-40HP. Sorry.

 

Im sure it will be a lot more for the TL with the cold air intake and all the right Pulleys and axles. I really hope comptech wouldn't put out such an expensive mod for less than modest gains.:yack:

 

A bone-stock non-S should put out right around 180 at the wheels. So the prototype sc added about 40 whp (or about 50 hp at the crank, if that's the way you want to play it.)

I realize that this may be their first crack at dyno-ing the thing, and that more improvments will be forthcoming, but so far the deal is:

$ 4500 for 40 (or 50) hp.

Not with my money !

 

Damn $100 per horse!!

 

How long has everyone been waiting for this thing and this is the best they can come up with??? Almost every other performance ride has a S/C now. Even econoboxs have them.

 

Wasnt this supposed to come out like last September? Is there any way to puc a turbo on are car? Like a cutom turbo, has anybody done this?

 

dayum! i would expect close to 80-100 increase when you're spending 5k. if power is what you want, ditch the tl/cl and get a sports car. like a vette and so on.....

 

I would much rather use a turbo in my ride than a SC...Turbos are great because you are using wasted energy that comes out of the exhaust...30% of that energy could be used for something, instead its going right out of your exhaust...We need a turbo...SC sux cuz you are making the engine somewhat weaker because you are using your engine crankshaft to supply the power to the SC...You see why so many people choose turbo...Its such a better source of power and comptech is overpriced bull$hiat anyways...Shyne

Only thing i might buy from them is their springs...

 

i think they are not tring to make it any more higher than that due to the tranny, (even xtra 30 horses can probaly damage it)
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i would say for 5 g's i can go to a shop that can fabricate a turbo into my car...

 

it would be my dream if we can just pay 50-100$ per horse....and get how ever much we want... haha but thats only a dream...

5g is freakin' 7500 canadian...hell NO!!!!! thats wayy to much money!

 

i dont think a turbo would be right for an automatic... it needs time to spool up, and the ability to build up pressure before you launch.. you cant do this with an auto tranny/sportshift.. (especially with the lame auto 1-2 shift)

a supercharger is right because of the consistent power added throughout the power band.

just get a smaller pulley. duh...

 

lets wait and see the performance gains for the TL supercharger before we jump the gun. THe ones for the Integra, S2000 and NSX have great gains.

 

AHEMMMM....have you forgotten about the awesome '87 Buick GN? 3.8 litre V6 Turbo 245hp@4400rpm; 355 torque@2000rpm driven by a 4-speed auto :wow: This was the fastest american made 2dr coupe at the time. :p

As for this comptech supercharger thing, a waste of money indeed. NOS is surely looking attractive for those who want more power...

 

I wanna see the final results!!!

 

Thought the Buick Grand National was supercharged.

 

Nope. Intercooled turbo.

 

i would have to agree wit big big moderator, cuz im no player hater...Lawaia's right...Shyne

 

Man that sux! That basically put you still under the TLS with headers.


The TL stock will pull high 170's to the wheel. With I/H/E/VAFC and 18's I pulled 204HP to the wheel.

 

i looked into a custom turbo. w/ all new parts it was going to be around $3800 for everything. bring that down a little if you get a used turbo in good shape.

and the grand national kicks ass.

 

How can you predict gains from a custom kit? What I mean is there is no research for your specific car so does this company guarantee the performance gains?

 

why wouldn't there be gains? get a t3/t4 turbo and i think you would be looking at a lot better gains than the c/t supercharger put down, granted it is not a finished product. and there is a cl type s that was done by this shop. i think they got pretty good gains out of it but i have not seen a dyno or anything.

 

I'm sure if CompTech wanted to they could lay more power down with a smaller pully, but you gotta realize that the tranny can only take so much and that is why I believe they're going with a smaller HP increase. Personally I don't care too much about the HP figure, I'd rather see torque. There used to be an old saying on the NASCAR circuit, torque wins races, HP sells cars. Also, I'm not sure how many of you have seen CompTech's facilities and their products, especially their widebody supercharged NSX. Seeing that first hand, watching it scream down the road, seeing the detail and perfection achieved by CompTech and you'll understand why they're taking their time. CompTech won't release anything until it's perfect in their eyes. Their NSX mods are treated the same way Acura/Honda treats the NSX in production.... ....and the end result shows. So, I say cool your britches, when they're good a ready they'll release it, and it'll be sweet. For those that are complaining of HP or torque figures, I'd say complain about the tranny first because that's ultimately the limiting factor, not CompTech's abilities.

 

You have it reversed. Auto trannies are better for turbos because you can build boost and hold it before launching by power breaking and you don't loose boost during shifts. Take supras for example. In single turbo supras it is shown that auto supras are faster than manual supras. And if you want to talk about track times, auto trannies will of course pull more consistent times.

 

Why cant we get somebody to build a turbo for our cars?

 

yup, auto turbo cars also dont lose boost when shifting like manual cars do.

if they were to make a turbo for tl's you guys dont think you need to build ur internals as well as the tranny?

 

The compression ration on the Type S is 10.5 and the TLP is 9.8. I don't think there would be a problem with the internals with lower boost, however if you start getting higher up in boost then you may want to start looking at beefing up the internals and dealing with the higher compression ratio.

As for the tranny, I wouldn't want to go forced induction without some sort of build up.

 

I totally agree with you. They take their time to test out each application. If they do not think the auto tranny will hold, I do not believe they will release the supercharger. You always hear people ***** about their high prices. Well, you get what you pay for. Comptech products' quality is barnone.

 

Yep Randy... I agree. I had one of those in 1987. Damn fast if I might say myself. That's why I bought it. It WAS the quickest American car at that time. Geez, I miss that car!

Anyway, nowdays they can make a turbo spool instantly... hence... no lag that is normally associated with turbos.

 

If TL-S with 260hp outputs 200 to the wheel
TL with 225hp will only output 165 to the wheels..
so 165 to 220 that's 55hp gain.. and it's still in the testing phase...so we will see...let's hope for a 80hp gain then it'd be worth it..

but then again...if 55hp gain...plus headers...intake..exhaust...res...that'd bring close to 300 to the wheel on TL-S

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