A local Acura dealer here in South Florida is advertising in the newspaper:

TL and CL Type SX. 315HP. 0-60 in 5.something [sorry I forgot the exact number] seconds.

What is that all about. What did he smoke?

Or is there such a thing?

 

They might have had the 3.5L upgrade. That thing is fast!!

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Mods? What mods? I can't afford mods, I'm getting married!!
Vin says 2001, but it's really a 2000 with an upgraded cupholder!!

 

Well i guess they're talkin about a 3.5 TL or CL..BTW Ruski where do live in Weston,i live in the Ridges,what kind of car u drive hope to c u around..


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2000 3.2TL Firepepper red w/o nav
stock spoiler
Comptech springs
Custom front Grill
Bosch 4+ platinum spark plug
25% Tint/Mud guards/
acura-tl.com sticker at front windshield

 

What!!! another upgrade for the TLs. What happened to letting the market mature a little and give us a little satisfaction with what we just bought. I bet they'll have stories about a V8 by next month.

 

How much are they advertising for?

 

It's not affiliated w/ Acura --> the guys down in S.FL add a $4000 mod to the existing 3.2 .. as mentioned .. increase displacement to 3.5L, new heads .. camshaft .. torque converter I suppose .. Frankly, I'll wait 'till Acura does it officially ... then I'll go buy it.

 

I was hoping for a real type SX from acura that's Type S 6MT all wheel drive.

 

Aha.... I see. I need to find a better paying job


VTEC - I live in Savanna. It is nice to know that there is a nice TL driver in the area. Maybe we should have a little race on Route 27 I raced an RX-7 there a few days ago and he was not able to pull away. Maybe he was a bad driver. Maybe I have a nice car.

I drive a '99 Chrysler 300M (nicely broken in). Wife drives a '01 Lexus RX300. I used to have a '98 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. I really wanted to lease another Grand Prix GTP, but she insisted that it was her turn to choose and finally got herself an SUV. Brrr...

My 300M's lease is going to end in November, so I am trying to see what's out there. The picture is quite different from what it was back in 1999. I mean, TL now has memory seats!

 

VTEC - forgot to add - if you see a red 300M that's either all extremely shiny on Zaino (8 coats) or outrageously dirty* (damn construction everywhere) with 'Bebe a bord' sign on the rear window, that's me. Also the license plate holder says Biltmore Chrysler, Rye, NY.

*some friendly neighbors called a cop on me last time I was washing my car. Due to this I don't wash it too often now. Let them enjoy the view.

 

FlyingPig - that X made me think the same thing. By analogy with 330Xi

PeterUbers - thanks for the explanation.

 

I have a dyno curve from an anonymous user. The dealer, Rick Case Acura strokes a 3.2 (CLS/TLS) engine and adds the comptech headers, an air box mod, special pistons, MDX crank and rods, V-AFC, and some other goodies to produce almost 250HP at the front wheels. One of the fastest CLS dynos shows about 240HP at the wheels, but there isn't as much area under the curve.

Here is the link to the dyno (it is an unbroken in 3.5L dyno vs the stock 3.2):

 

If it was a second-gen RX then they are slow. I had an '88 RX-7 convertible, and it was even slower still. The second-gen turbos are quicker, but not scalding.

However, those cars corner like no man's business! I just drove a BMW Z3 2.8 with the sport package today, and it was really sloppy compared to my RX.

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'01 White Diamond Pearl 3.2TL
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I was actually thinking of the X in MDX.

 

man that's is mess up,bro...no1 say anything about my car wash cause i wash my car 6:00 in the moring but sometime i still wash it in afternoon...or i don't have friendly neighbors that like u have...if i c u i will try to race with u..

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2000 3.2TL Firepepper red w/o nav
stock spoiler
Comptech springs
Custom front Grill
Bosch 4+ platinum spark plug
25% Tint/Mud guards/
acura-tl.com sticker at front windshield

 

Wait that dyno is for a 3.5 vs a totally stock Type-S Engine?? So for $4000-6000 you get about 45hp and 25lb-ft at the wheels while totally destroying your warranty??

I think I'll just get the headers alone out of that package at $1000, and get the 30hp at the wheels and whatever lb-ft it puts out.

That much money and all that work doesnt seem worth the gains and pains to me.

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96 Sherwood Green Accord EX

 

warranty is NOT ruined.

 

Sorry but that one dealer may warranty that engine, but I doubt my local dealer would be as forthcoming if a check engine light came on, or I had an engine seal leaking (as has happened to one member here), or had any kind of engine malfunction after having that kind of work done on the engine.

 

I personally know the people that built the car. I've ridden in it several times. It drives EXACTLY like a stock CL-S... until you dig deeper into the go pedal.

Some people aren't impressed by the dyno numbers because they're looking at peak figures. Peak figures don't mean a whole lot. The graph (and people's interpretations thereof) doesn't do the car justice. It's fast. 101+ MPH in the quarter mile fast. Short of forced induction, no one can claim that kind of speed.

And it's not $6000.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV
AEM CAI w/bypass, Comptech header

 

The area under the dyno curve is the main attribute of the modifications. I made a point over on the CLS board about having a 20 hp gain over a 4000 rpm range would provide much greater acceleration that a mod that provided 50 hp from 6000 rpm to 6400 rpm (the exception to the rule would include a CVT [a CVT would continuously vary the engine ratio to keep the engine on the peak power curve].

There is some concern about not living in Florida. There are some members on the CLS board that are already having to fight to get transmissions repaired since they have an CAI and headers on the car. Acura will try to get out of paying any warranty claims if posssible. So, I can relate to users that are concerned about relying on a single point of service.

Example, if Rick Case and a customer had a feud errupt, it would not be hard to see how the customer would be in a very messy spot. Life is more than precious than having the fastest CLS or TLS at the drag strip at the expensive and hassle of having lawyers and aids try to sort out a hunk of metal.

Things change -- I had a contact that I thought was well adjusted just act up like a 4-year old and have a mini-tantrum -- thank god I am not more involved with this immature, volatile, and self-centered man-child.

So, goodied are nice, but buyer beware.

 

Like these guys said, it's an upgrade for the TL-S and CL-S. It increases the HP and adds torque. Runs around $4000-$6000 and is basically engine work. If you go over to the CL forum, a guy named MCHTYPES had it done to his car. You can read about what it took, his opinion, etc.....




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1998 Acura CL 3.0 (Iced Blue) ** Some mods, but who cares,
I want a Type-S... (CL or TL)!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum @ www.acura-cl.com

 

All that powers great, however if they can put awd in the mdx, I would love to see a TL-S with awd as well. then you can beat all the S4's you want with that 3.5 mod.

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I believe you are correct. They are basically using MDX parts to build up the engine from 3.2 to 3.5 liters....




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1998 Acura CL 3.0 (Iced Blue) ** Some mods, but who cares,
I want a Type-S... (CL or TL)!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum @ www.acura-cl.com

 

I agree 100%. My reply was directed towards people who see the peak figures and think a CL-S with an intake and headers is making similar power and will keep up with the 3.5.. neither being the case. The area under the line (more specifically the area between the 3.5L and 3.2L lines) is where people would focus if they knew their stuff.

The fact is that a dealer's attitude towards modifications varies greatly from one to another. I took my turbo GS-R to a dealer who didn't mind doing warranty work on it at all. On the other hand, I had a friend who simply replaced the stock headunit with an aftermarket piece and another dealer told him they wouldn't diagnose his SRS light being on because "no one knows what mess you made of the wiring back there." I've had good luck in this area, so saying Acura will deny any claim they can is stretching the truth a bit -- a lot of it boils down to the dealer and your relationship with them, but I certainly see your point.

I'm certainly not disputing that having the fastest car means nothing in the grand scheme of things... I'm merely pointing out that anyone willing to spend the money for the mods will not regret having done so -- they will most certainly get "bang" for their buck.

As far as service is concerned, you mention that some dealers have given owners with Comptech mods a hard time about doing warranty work. Granted, the 3.5L package entails a major re-work of the engine internals, but when you do any kind of modifications you're going to run the risk of a dealer refusing to touch the car. I could just as easily be turned away having an intake and header as another person might having the 3.5L engine, a supercharger and nitrous oxide.

That proverb will always be true. However, you can do a little homework: An informed consumer will educate themselves as to the possible risks and make a decision based on that information. I know that if I'm ever in Podunk, Arkansas and have a breakdown that Acura of Toiletville may laugh at me and refuse to touch the car when they see my header and intake -- that's a risk we all take when we do mods.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV
AEM CAI w/bypass, Comptech header