Hey everyone I know this may have been covered but I was looking for a fool proof answer. A lot of guys on the accord forums have used parts from CL type S cars on their engines. Throttle bodies, Intake manifolds, cranksaft and crankshaft pullies along with some seals. Now I was wondering,

Has anyone successfully converted CL or TL P to Near TYPE S engine wise?

If so any Dynos done for gains?

Is it easier to make a TL a Type S than it is to make an AccordV6 close to a Type S.

Last but not least if this can be done then is that all it would take to utilise the Type S supercharger. Where does it mount to on a TYPE S that would be different on a Base model or is it the Manifild and Throttle body that is the difference preventing someone from using the SC on a base TL?

 

maybe they are talking about parts that are sold for the type S and the buy them for the accord.

No one that I know has comverted a regular to a type S.

The easiest way would probably be, SWAP a used type S engine with your engine. I seen type S engines for like $3k from rear end accidents.

 

so a type S engine plus installation would be around how much?

 

too much money..probably cheaper to just sell your car and get a type S..at least that way, you can have your car serviced. nobody will want to touch a TLP with an engine swap.

 

engine swap about 5-8g's

 

for the amount of money and time you'll have to invest, its probably much more economical to just sell and trade up for a tls. this way you have the warranty coverage as mentioned earlier.

too many things can go wrong with an engine swap, we're not talking about a little civic here.

if you're gonna swap though, why not make the 3.5L swap from the RL. someone on a-cl did that, impressive gains.

 

Because the Type-S puts out more ponies

I would be interested in doing this as well because I don't like the interior of the Type-S, nor the headrests. I don't like holes in my leather

 

Has anyone exchanged suspension parts from a TL-S to a TL-P??

If so, which parts are the ones to get?

 

Suspension parts from Type S to TL-P is basically just stiffer shock and springs. Engine wise, basically just the valves, 2ndary intake solenoid and its accessory (too many to name), throttle body and and such. THe bottom end of the engine (pistons, rings etc are the same for TL and TLS. Also, do not forget that you will need the TLS ECU. The fuel/air map for the two car is different. Type S will demand more air/fuel at high RMP than its counterpart TL.
The problem is buying all these little parts from dealer will cost a fortune...and junk yard will not sell you just these parts...they want to sell you the whole engine which 75% of it you already have.

Your BEST bet is to sell/trade in your car and get the TLS if that is what you want...that's the CHEAPEST route..not to mention the labor cost that will incur during the conversion (and warranty issues).

 

actually the guy that did the 3.5 conversion had some impressive gains. check http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=80382

he's running high 13's

 

I agree plus I don't like the TL S front end. TL has a better front end with JDM fogs. My upgraded suspension is already way better than Stock Type S, superior Brakes and a lot of electronic things and TONS OF SECURITY STUFF that I don't want to do again on a new car. So what I am saying is that it is definately worth it to me to keep my car as is, but squeeze out more horses and torque.

Besides I love my car and making improvements keeps me interested.

The accord guys are really in depth on the subject but it seems they would have more differences with a Type S than a TL P would. At least 4 guys have done some of the changes with 2 having done all of them. The parts themselves dont eve cost a lot. One guy with a 99 even did it and they have tons of differences. I'm gonna do more research.

 

I guess there'd be a lot of electronics to consider... systems that are in the TLS but not the TL.

I don't know why someone would want to try this.

Why not trade your way to a TLS and then mod the TLS?


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If you saw my car you would understand. Besides all I am asking is, if anyone knows if we can use the type s Cams, cam gear, intake manifold and throttle body because a few accords have done it and I would think our engine is closer to the TYPE S than theirs

 

OK, i must totally be out of it, but I thought that the TL and TL-S had the same front ends????

I'm probably wrong as my gf drives the TL and I don't really pay that much attention to other TL's.

 

bored out 5/16's. good for 5 ponies, that's about all you can do! there is no type-s conversion from reg tl kman

 

Here's a bigger problem for the Accord guys... How do you get from 3.0L to 3.2L?

 

i remember some guy when we I first got my tl two years ago did a conversion in florida. He sent me an email but all is lost as I lost it I do remember that he mix some mdx engine parts with some internal port polish. I donno but if anyone remembers the engine put out about 265hp. I wanted to know if anyone remebered.

 

Sounds like the guy out here near tampa... He had a TL or CL, i dont remember, and the motor got hydralocked, so he bored out an MDX block and dropped it in there. was very impressive, but i would have rather had it done stock, different block, or any engine swap for that matter, leavs open to wierd problems... If your gunna do it, drop a V8 in there

I have a '99 TL, and to answer the question "why dont you just trade in and get a TLS?" well, im 21 and i dont have an extra few G's layin around... you cant find a CPO or new TLS for less than $25k... I paid 19k for my TL. Im happy with it, but another family member has a new TLS and every time i drive it, i wanna cry I would swap most of the different parts, if i knew what to swap... It lets me do it gradualy, and i dont need ALL the differences... Theres throttle body, ECU, intake will become AEM neway, and what else? from what my service guy said, theres very few differences to rape the extra 35 HP out of the TLS... And i dont want to do anytrhing major like supercharger or NOS, id like to KEEP my car for a while, not blow it up. RIIIIIICCCCEEEEE!!!!!

 

The Front end is the
GRILL
BUMPER
HEADLIGHTS
HOOD
FENDERS

The 99-01 had one style front end the TYPE S had another with bigger headlights grill and cheap fogs. I have an Inspire front end with OEM fogs built the same way as the headlight housing. That means I would have to replace all that, all my performance mods and electronics. Not worth it

 

Well does anyone have HELM pages on the engine parts diagrams for the TL S?

 

Yes you can replace that and it will work better (more air flows etc) than TL, but you will need the ecu to give it for fuel/air mixture at the right rpm (fuel map of the two car are differently tuned). Trust me, get all the parts and call you dealer,ask them how much and add them up, it'll be A LOT!!! Also, when you switch out the throttle body, you need VSA and a new intake and all. But again, anything is possible...if you have this -> $$$$$$ and lots of it. Heck you can drop an NSX engine into a TL if you have lots and lots of this -> $$$$$$.

 

Not the answer you seek but another possibility would be to simply yank your whole engine and replace with something entirely different such as a Toyota TT V-6 or an American V-8.

Or ... supercharger. I'm sure for under ten grand you could get a lower and have a local machine shop fabricate the puleys and plumbing, then rig an interface.

Alternately next time you set out to buy a car just get an M5 because with your mods and an engine swap you could have had one instead.

 

OK, you're comparing the 99-01 TL's to the 02-03's.

I was thinking that the 02 TL-S had a diff front end than the 02 TL-P!! :p

 

I didnt spend amything near M5 pricing and there was no TL type S in Jan 2000. Why do you need VSA I mean what do those air intake parts have to do with VSA and the camshaft and gears?

 

because the difference between VSA and TCS is not only active speed ranges, but VSA uses engine throttling as well as braking, so the ECU will FLIP OUT if it does not have the VSA module when you decide to... ehh... "drive athleticaly"

-shear

 

Well which parts that are different are not computer controlled?

 

from what i understand, the cams and intake are different, i dont know what else, the cams obviously are not computer controled, neither is the intake but it is different none the less. I dont know what the differences are between the intakes though. I have a '99 TLP, my GRANDMOTHER has an '02 TLS (why?) so im going to put them side by side and start taking stuff apart to see whats so different... Heres what i bet though: If you change the ECU, the throttle assembly, add VSA and pop on an AEM cold air for a TLP, i bet you would be as close as you can get to type-s without craking open the head and swapping cams... That plus you add headers and a good exaust, your TLP will smoke a TLS... i tottaly plan to try this, just will be a little time before i have the cheese to do it. Plus i wanna see how long it takes for the check engine light to come on

-shear

 

why dont u go for exhaust, intake, headers... that shud give u around id estimate 20HP (give or take a bunch) or supposedly theres a mod chip out for it giving 20HP (dont know about validity of this though)... then u can just get aftermarket sports suspension to be better than the S

 

IM going for 315 HP. I think Im somwhere at 245 without an official dyno.

 

I have a TL-S strut bar and exhaust, does that count? A lot of guys over on av6 have tried to swap in the cams, etc. Most of the people over there BS, so its hard to sort through all the lies and actually find somebody who did it. I know of a few people who have, but I'm not sure the gains they got from it.

 

I have an AV6 as my screen name implies, lol... My question is, my car can accommodate 86 Octane (yuck) altough, I only put 89-91 Octane in my car. I only put 89-91 b/c according to Ph.D chemist friends of mine, the basic 87 fuel has additives but not as many as some mid-grade or higher fuels.

My question is, can I have my car tuned for say 89 or 91 octane, I mean say timing, etc?

Also, in terms of headers, I'm extremely ignorant... Will changing headers to a decent brand (one that is not known for having welds break, such as Comptech, etc, compromise reliability/increase risk of damage if I keep my STOCK CAT converter... I have an AXLE BACK exhaust system.

BTW, rumo(u)r has it that, AV6, TL-cL AUTO trannies can only handle 260-280hp @ engine, nothing more? Of course, the CL-S 6spd manual can handle more power, right ?