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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 08:17 AM
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Question....if you use a Drill Slot Rotors it will Vibrate Your Stearing if so how come is Drill Rotors is better then Regular Rotors??? please advice because l'm thinking to change my Rotors soon.....&...lol...someone selling BRIMBO DRILL SLOT ROTORS ( Front & Rear ) Only for $139 Shiped Brand new thank
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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i actually have not heard that before. the reason slotted and drilled rotors are better than stock ones are because they disapate(sp?) heat faster. thing i heard about the drilled ones however is that since they are drilled, the over all integrity of the rotor is compromised and makes it weaker.

another point, i wouldnt get those rotors. im sure they are not good quality. id go with rotora
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 10:28 AM
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From what I've heard, having slotted rotors does more than having them cross-drilled. The slots help let brake gases escape when the pad contacts the rotor. The cross-drilling, I assume, provides greater area for cooling and lightens the rotor but may weaken the rotor since the drilling removes material.
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Drilling rotors will only weaken them & they will crack. Get slotted rotors & dont waste your money on drilled unless they are dimple drilled(not drilled all the way through).
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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I (and most racing clubs) suggest Slotted Rotors, nothing drilled, MAYBE dimpled.

I know Rotora just released dimpled/drilled and Slotted...
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
I (and most racing clubs) suggest Slotted Rotors, nothing drilled, MAYBE dimpled.

I know Rotora just released dimpled/drilled and Slotted...
from where l can buy this? so everyone want me to put regular Rotors? please help me where l can get this Rotors cheaper........
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Get the Brembro Blanks for $200 for all four and oem pads for $130. Total cost $330 and they work great together. I've had mine on for about 2 months and what a huge difference from the stock rotors.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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you may geta slight vibration on slotted rotors dutting the break in of them while the pad seats but it goes away. id recomend spending the money on the good rotora slotted rotors. if you can find them get teh green stuff pads, stay away from axxis. cheap rotors= warping fast
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Drilled blanks will crack. Good drilled rotors from a reputable company won't.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
you may geta slight vibration on slotted rotors dutting the break in of them while the pad seats but it goes away. id recomend spending the money on the good rotora slotted rotors. if you can find them get teh green stuff pads, stay away from axxis. cheap rotors= warping fast
Besides the dust, why are axxis on you bad list?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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Besides the dust, why are axxis on you bad list?
they suck. the factory pads could handle heat better with less fading, tore up the rotors DUST
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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i have drilled and slotted rotors and never had this problem
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
you may geta slight vibration on slotted rotors dutting the break in of them while the pad seats but it goes away. id recomend spending the money on the good rotora slotted rotors. if you can find them get teh green stuff pads, stay away from axxis. cheap rotors= warping fast
how bout BREMBO BLANKS ROTORS?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
i have drilled and slotted rotors and never had this problem
not every one does but it is common durring break in of the pads

Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
how bout BREMBO BLANKS ROTORS?
many have had good luck with them
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
not every one does but it is common durring break in of the pads


many have had good luck with them
good luck is not gonna work for future ....lol.....tell me which rotors gonna be good for & where l can get cheap cz l spend lot of money already....hook me up ppl....thanks
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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
good luck is not gonna work for future ....lol.....tell me which rotors gonna be good for & where l can get cheap cz l spend lot of money already....hook me up ppl....thanks

I got some iRotors and EBC Greenstuff pads and have ahd good luck w/em
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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Irotors are what i have been running for over 60k now trouble free. others swear on rotora. since you want cheap. go to your local parts store and get some plain replacements. or order Brembo Blanks. IROTORS.com, and Ebay are 2 places to start
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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A lillo info i came across while working on my other car..... thought i would share it too... taken and credited from Team-integra.net


Brake rotors are probably the most misunderstood component of common brake systems. A lot of it is due to rotor remanufacture’s (notice the ‘re’) trying to hype up drilled rotors, so they can sell them to you for twice what they paid for them blank. It is not uncommon for someone to swear they have increased stopping distances because they switched to a cross-drilled rotor. This is not the case, as drilling does not effect brake torque. I will go into this further, once we determine what exactly the function of rotors is.

What do brakes do?

I am sure everyone knows that brakes stop the car, but the question is how exactly do they stop the car? Simply put, they convert energy. The brakes convert the kinetic energy of the car into heat, via friction, which then slows the car down. Since heat is the key factor here, it is not surprising that lots of brake components usually have something to do with proper cooling and heat ranges.

Brake torque (what he measure stopping power by) is

(Disc radius * clamping force * coefficient of friction) / 12

As you can see, the only way to increase stopping power via rotors is to move to a larger rotor.

What is the rotor made out of?

In most cases, rotors are constructed out of cast iron. Because of this, the coefficient of friction of the rotor itself is rarely discussed, as they are all almost identical. Because its rare for anyone to use anything other than a cast iron rotor on a Honda, I will limit this article to cast iron rotors.

The rotor has two main functions. First it provides a friction surface for the brake pads to be clamped on. Second, it deals with the heat created during braking. There are two aspects to dealing with heat, absorption, and dispersion.

As I stated earlier, brakes function by turning kinetic energy into heat. So obviously the rotor plays a very important role in the braking system. Any flat surface can provide a friction surface for clamping, however not all rotors are created equal in terms of dealing with heat.

Lets look at the two aspects of heat closer.


Heat Absorption

How much heat a rotor can absorb is dependent on its mass. The larger the mass of the rotor, the more heat it can absorb. This is often referred to as “thermal storage”. Obviously more is better when you are only concerned about braking ability. But what happens when you run out of thermal storage? Or your brakes heat up to the point where they can no longer store heat?

This is called brake fade, and one aspect is the rotor being unable to store any more heat. The coefficient of friction of your brake pad is going to drop dramatically, as the rotor can no longer store any more heat and the heat is going to radiate into your fluid, pad, and calipers. It can get so bad that pressing the brake pedal provides little to no decrease in speed. Rotors can also warp, crack or fracture under these extreme heats.

In a performance-driving standpoint, your life is in your brake systems hands. It’s not hard to see that having enough mass on your rotor is important.

Heat Dissipation

Heat dissipation is governed mainly by surface area. Rotors radiate heat through their surface area. Radiation is the transmission of thermal energy via waves. The more surface area a rotor has, the more heat it can radiate. Further, the surface area is constantly being cooled by airflow. Having fresh available airflow to the rotor is very important in dissipating heat. Air cooling the rotor is refereed too as Convection Cooling. Convection is heat transfer via fluid. In brake systems, air can be considered a fluid.
Vanes

This is one of the reasons why we have internal vanes in our rotors. While having two disc surfaces connected by vanes increases surface area (instead of having a solid disc with two open sides, you have two discs and thus four open sides). The vanes are also designed to suck air in while the rotor is moving, absorb heat, and be shot out the other side. The air moving through the vane absorbs thermal energy along its path, and thus cools the rotor.




There are three common types of vanes

Straight Vanes –

Straight Vaned rotors are used on most production vehicles use. They are cheap to make, and can be used on both sides of the car. Straight vanes are exactly like they sound, straight lines going from the center of the rotor to the edge. They provide little increase in airflow through the rotor.




Curved Vanes –

You are more likely to see curved vanes on a carbon rotor used on serious racing vehicles. The vanes are curved, instead of straight. The curves are designed so they act almost like an air pump, sucking in air and pumping it out. The vanes are often overlapped to prevent possible thermal cracking. These are much more expensive to manufacture and must be mounted directionally.




Differential Vanes –

Differential vanes have all different lengths, which are determined by flow testing. The testing discovers what varying vanes allow the greatest volume of air to flow through the rotor, and thus aid in cooling.

As of now, I am unaware of any rotor manufacture that mass-produces any curved or differential vaned rotors for hondas.

So more surface area is better for radiating heat, more mass is better for absorbing heat, and more airflow is better for convection cooling.

Rotor Upgrades

The most commonly seen upgrade on rotors is to move to a drilled and slotted rotor of the same size. What people often fail to realize, is that set of “powerslot” or “powerdrilled” rotors are actually going to decrease performance.

Drilled and slotted rotors were originally designed to battle gasses that were given out when brake pads were heated to extreme temperatures. That gas would get trapped between the pad and the rotor, and become a barrier causing brake fade. The slots and drills gave the gas somewhere to escape. Modern pad technologies have allowed us to use materials that no longer give off gas. Further, quality brake pads have a slot designed into them, to allow any gas or vapors to escape.

The first problem with these rotors is you are sacrificing mass for surface area. While yes, drilling and slotting can increase surface area; it’s always at the sacrifice for mass. On the stock sized rotor, you really need all the mass you can get. As I stated earlier, once your rotor can no longer absorb heat, you are going to have a very hard time stopping.

Some times, the drilling does not even increase surface area… and it can even DECREASE it. When drilling a hole, you essentially create a cylinder. You gain surface area on the cylinder walls, but lose the face.

Surface area = 2*pi*r*h - 2*pi*r^2

If the radius of the drill is equal to the thickness of the rotor, you gain no surface area. If the radius is smaller, you gain surface area. Finally, if the radius is larger you lose surface area.

Example 1:

2 * 3.14 * 8 * 8 – 2 * 3.14 * 8^2 = 401.92 – 401.92 = 0

Example 2:

2 * 3.14 * 6 * 8 – 2 * 3.14 * 6^2 = 301.44 – 225.08 = +76.36

Example 3:

2* 3.14 * 10 * 8 – 2 * 3.14 * 10^2 = 502.4 – 628 = -125.6




If a rotor is to be drilled, it must be done correctly. The edges should be radiused or chamfered (To cut off the edge or corner of; bevel) as well as peened. Finally it needs to be stress tested to insure the drills can hold up to the heat with our cracking.

The most important thing to keep in mind with drilled or slotted rotors is eventually they will fail and crack. There is no way to drill a hole in the rotor with out reducing its structural integrity. You just have to hope you catch it soon enough and you are not heading into a turn at 90mph when it happens.




However, there are some advantages to drilling and slotting when done correctly. Keep in mind, you will not see any worthwhile benefits on stock sized rotors. (Which need all the mass they can get).

The edges of the slots and drills provide enough of a slight lip to increase initial bite of the pad. This is not going to be a dramatic increase in braking power, but it will give a nice initial feel.

Drills and slots can keep the surface of the pad clean. However this is rarely beneficial outside of rally racing.

Drilling and slotting can increase surface area. Again surface area radiates heat, and thus can provide better cooling.

Drilling and slotting does decrease some unsprung weight. This is hardly an advantage, as you are much better off spending money on high quality lightweight rims than something that directly effects your braking ability. Once you have spent all the money possible on lightweight suspension components and rims, then you can consider the very slight decrease in weight of a drilled rotor.

Ultimately, drilled and slotted rotors are worthless on stock sized rims. People often have the misidea that drilled or slotted rotors decrease stopping distance. This is incorrect. As the formula for brake torque shows, drilling and slotting rotors does not increase brake torque. Further, most people buy drilled and slotted rotors for street use, thinking they will increase cooling. Ultimately I don't care who you are, you are not going to continually heat up your brakes to the point of needing more surface area, on the street or durring an AutoX.

The best upgrade is to move to a larger rotor, which not only increase brake torque (due to the increase in leverage), but also greatly increases surface area and mass.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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So if you want better braking, new aftermkt brake pads would be the way to go?
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 01:20 PM
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So if you want better braking, new aftermkt brake pads would be the way to go?
If you want better braking, Upgrade your rotor size (mass size), or keep your stock rotor size (mass size) with bigger/more caliper pistons or upgrade your rotor size with bigger/more caliper pistons.

Brake pads do play a role in braking performance.

Organic pads = Stock
Steel pads = used for Hard breaking, but will worn out your rotors fast and may squeaks after a while
Ceramic pads = Good upgrade vs organic, will not eat up your rotors prematurely, is more heat resistant, will minimize the brake dust on you wheels.

There are also bi-product pads, such as semi ceramic steel pad.

Again your goal will determine on what pads you will need.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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Bitemeeh, excellent and informative post. You saved me much $$$. Seeing as to how I have stock rims don't race I don't need expensive brakes. I may consider larger brakes in teh future but certainly not drilled or slotted. Thanks so much.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Not a problem, im glad i was able to shed some light on the whole brake/rotor marketing scheme.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bitemeeh
If you want better braking, Upgrade your rotor size (mass size), or keep your stock rotor size (mass size) with bigger/more caliper pistons or upgrade your rotor size with bigger/more caliper pistons.

Brake pads do play a role in braking performance.

Organic pads = Stock
Steel pads = used for Hard breaking, but will worn out your rotors fast and may squeaks after a while
Ceramic pads = Good upgrade vs organic, will not eat up your rotors prematurely, is more heat resistant, will minimize the brake dust on you wheels.

There are also bi-product pads, such as semi ceramic steel pad.

Again your goal will determine on what pads you will need.
Thanks do you think it good match with Brembo Blank Rotors & Oem Brake pad/after market brake pads like ( Wangler Thermo Quite )? please advice me thanks in advance.
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
Thanks do you think it good match with Brembo Blank Rotors & Oem Brake pad/after market brake pads like ( Wangler Thermo Quite )? please advice me thanks in advance.
Wangler Thermo Quite pads SUCK
Brembo Blanks/OEM Pads= 100% better than stock
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 12:52 AM
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by acura3.2tLv
Wangler Thermo Quite pads SUCK
Brembo Blanks/OEM Pads= 100% better than stock
what's the diff between OEM & Stock?...l waz thinking to put Brembo Blanks & Original Pads....is that what you mean?
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
what's the diff between OEM & Stock?...l waz thinking to put Brembo Blanks & Original Pads....is that what you mean?

yeah, stock n OEM same thing
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 09:47 PM
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OEM = Stock



If you're going to upgrade the rotors, then upgrade the pads, too. Sure, better rotors are always good, but you need to have the "bite", too, with better pads.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
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OEM = Stock



If you're going to upgrade the rotors, then upgrade the pads, too. Sure, better rotors are always good, but you need to have the "bite", too, with better pads.
stock pads are good with Brembo Blanks Rotors rite???
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Old Jul 8, 2005 | 01:36 AM
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My rotors have warped three times now since purchase of the car and approx. every 15K miles. Acura has replaced two sets of rotors for me (at their cost). The 1st set warped right on time at 15K and then of course had to turned and 15K later they warped. Since I was now of out of my warranty I did get Acura to step up and take care of the warped rotors. They did put slotted rotors on for me, so far so good and I'm at 15K. In other words, I would go with the slotted rotors.
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Old Jul 8, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
stock pads are good with Brembo Blanks Rotors rite???

RIGHT!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Jul 8, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
Thanks do you think it good match with Brembo Blank Rotors & Oem Brake pad/after market brake pads like ( Wangler Thermo Quite )? please advice me thanks in advance.
Again, what are your goals?

Do you just want something that will work for brakes?
Do you want someting with a bit more braking power?
Do you just want some brand name rotors?

Brembo blanks rotors are quality rotors, they meet the OEM specification and do a good job with OEM brake bads.

I have never heard of Wangler pads, but keep in mind that what really matter is the composition of the pad, not just the name.
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Old Jul 8, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by benjamn70
My rotors have warped three times now since purchase of the car and approx. every 15K miles. Acura has replaced two sets of rotors for me (at their cost). The 1st set warped right on time at 15K and then of course had to turned and 15K later they warped. Since I was now of out of my warranty I did get Acura to step up and take care of the warped rotors. They did put slotted rotors on for me, so far so good and I'm at 15K. In other words, I would go with the slotted rotors.
Just because you warped your stock rotors 3 times in such amount of time does not mean blank rotors sucks. There is more than just bad rotors to them being warped, hard breaking with metalic pads will warp your rotors prematurely, hard breaking with brand new pads will warp them, new rotors needs a break in period. Alot of hard breaking will warp them too. Heat is the culprit in rotor warping.
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Old Jul 8, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bitemeeh
Just because you warped your stock rotors 3 times in such amount of time does not mean blank rotors sucks. There is more than just bad rotors to them being warped, hard breaking with metalic pads will warp your rotors prematurely, hard breaking with brand new pads will warp them, new rotors needs a break in period. Alot of hard breaking will warp them too. Heat is the culprit in rotor warping.
so you mean if l need hard break l should pump it first...?
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Old Jul 9, 2005 | 03:09 AM
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RIGHT!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats wrong with that? the stock pads are teh best (NEXT 2 EBC ) at any driving i have done.

they lasted longer, handled heat better, had less fade, and produced LESS dust than Axxis Ultimates. to me that= a far better pad than most out there. 9and i have driven most out there)
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Old Jul 9, 2005 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
so you mean if l need hard break l should pump it first...?

pumping negates the advantages of ABS doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by dark inspire
pumping negates the advantages of ABS doesn't it?
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Old Jul 9, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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Question Need Help

l changed my rotors with Brembo Blanks & stock pads but l don't know what's wrong wheneva l pump brake from 60mph it vibrate can be defective rotors????????
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Old Jul 11, 2005 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCdesiPola
l changed my rotors with Brembo Blanks & stock pads but l don't know what's wrong wheneva l pump brake from 60mph it vibrate can be defective rotors????????
It can be that or your axle boots are riped or your pads were mounted inproperly on the brake caliper. I have seen defective brembo rotors be4, New rotors does not mean its not defective.
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