i heard a rumor that TL's are faster in D4 than in the tip tronic settings. somethin bout the computer releases more power in D4 n the car is in safe mode in tip tronic. FACT OR FICTION?

 

actually shifting the automatic shifter from 1 to five i heard is better than tiptronic

 

The car doesnt release more power in D4 than SS. The car isnt in safe mode either. Where are you possibly reading this??

SS mode WASN'T made to make the car faster. It was designed for spirited driving and the ability to hold gears thru turns and shift it at your own will. Gate shifting (especially on the 5 speeds) will yield faster 1/4 mile times just do to it not automatically shifting out of 1st gear.

 

how do you launch a AUTO? people always say use handbrake and gas it to 3k RPM. but i dont know how to do that? and when do you I shift if i shiftgate it. Seems like my car is kinda slow reacting..when i shift it waits 1 sec before it actually shifts.

 

i heard gate shiffing was bad for your tranny

 

o really? DAMMIT.. haha.

 

How can one method be "worse" on the engine or tranny than another?

Other than the gate shift holding first a tad longer (which the 2G will do pretty well from a dig and WOT anyway) all these methods (Full Auto, SS, Gate Shift) are just sending an electronic signal to the car. The car processes said signal and initiates a shift. The actual shift is accomplished in exactly the same way regarless of how you tell the car to do it.

It not like the gate shift or the SS actually *shifts* the gear- it doesn't magically turn into an MT when you use SS.

Am I missing something here?

 

You dont use the hand brake (which we dont have) You brake torque. That is holding your foot firmly planted on the brake while slowly bringing up the rpm (in gear) then when time to go floor it and release the brake at teh same time to launch. As for when to shift, there is no magical time. You have to learn when your revlimiter kicks in and how long it takes to actually shift. You want it to actually shift just before the revlimiter kicks in. you will run the fastest if you can do that

No you are DEAD on. Its not doing any thing different to the trans. Its not hurting it. All your doing is taking over control of when it shifts!!!

 

What if you rev it too high, though, and keep it in gear when it should be up shifting? I'm starting the think that all these transmission problem complaints are due to "operator error"!

 

you cant rev it to high. There is a revlimiter. You need to understand the problem. Its really nothing a user ("operator error") could do to it, other than WOT shifts constantly thru 3rd gear repeatedly. Even then if the fluid gets to hot it wont let you continue

 

Since we are on this subject i do have a question. not to hijack your thread. but Which is safer or more longing for the tranny to drive in. D5 or SS? I drive in SS 80% of the time and sometimes when i drive in D5 the car studders switching gears. this is my 4th tranny and i am now out of warranty... I'm thinking about the 6sp swap but dont have the money for it now if she craps on me... anyone know???

 

I'd say "D5" or Full Auto.

Here's why ( )

When you SS, you are probably going to do two things the car wouldn't normally do in Full Auto.

1. You'll shift more. You will up or down shift in situations, even with the same throttle input, that the car wouldn't. Why? Because you want to "have fun" and "take control".

2. You are likely to run the car at higher revs than the Full Auto would. Not necessarily in "aggressive" driving, but in non-agressive driving. You might casually go down the road at 3,000 rpm in 3rd, the Full Auto would be at 2,000 rpm and 4th or 5th (for example).

The 1st puts more "wear" on the tranny, not necessarily more stress.

The 2nd puts more stress AND wear on the engine (because your running both higher rpm and more total revs over time).

 

how high do i bring my RPM to when I brake torque? i heard thats really bad for the tranny..do people that got alot of tranny do this? Lmao damn

 

OK, but if it won't let you rev it too high, then what is the point of having the sport shift? It doesn't give you anywhere near the control of a stick, so it just seems like eye candy to me. I'd rather have the CL six speed manual!

 

The point if it is to be able to hold gears. For spirited driving you dont want it to be upshifting thru the middle of a turn, It wasnt intended to make the car faster, or for drag racing. And is much easier to use than trying to get the correct gate shifting. In theory it would be MUCH better than a stick if programmed correctly.

 

The only way its worse on the trans is constant shifting thru 3rd. It actually could be ALOT better for the trans if you used it to not shift as much.
And as for putting more stress on the engines, thats not really a concern. these engines can take it.

 

The 6MT won't let you rev too high either - it's rev limited at the same rpm as the AT.

In terms of *gear selection* and *shift points* the SS and the MT are pretty much the same - they give you the option. Of course, the MT has some advantages. 1.) It's a faster shift and 2.) Since it's a 6-speed, the ratio's are "better".

 

well with some shift programing the SS could be alot faster

But the big difference is the LSD. That makes a huge difference in handling

 

True.

I just think that BillyBudapest and some others are either under-informed or mis-informed. Somebody tells 'em something and they mis-intepret it or, conversly, take it as absolute truth.

A little critical thinking goes a LONG way.

 

 

I'm not sur about the 2nd gen TL, but on the 3rd gen, Acura claims that the shifts take place faster in SS mode.

And stop calling it tiptronic, your gonna get us sued by Porsche/ Audi of America.

 

I'm not misinformed about it--conversely, I don't know anything about it at all. I've never used it and don't really see the use for it, and probably will never use it.

Also, I find it interesting that the manual transmission is "RPM limited." That's not my idea of a true manual transmission!

Sometimes I wish these cars would just let us *drive* and stop handing our job over to computers. My 1978 Volvo 242GT never did that!

 

Care to explain this. Just because its a manual car doesnt mean there shouldnt be a rpm limiter on it to keep you from doing damage. Same thing goes for a auto. Having a limiter doesnt change a thing

 

What is the difference between D5 and SS?

I always drive using D5 but wanted to know what SS is

Thanks

 

you better be joking!

 

Relax buddy......

NO im not kidding, you could of just told me the difference instead of replying with something totally useless to me,
Next time just save your time and dont even bother replying.

thanks

 

SS, is manual shifting without the clutch. To engage in SS, move your shifter to the left, and you will have space to go up and down. Move up to shift up, down to shift down.

KRIS: NICE Avatar, lol

 

I just tried the SS for the first time this morning.

In addition to not having a clutch, there's obviously no shift gate, either, so the experience isn't really like manual shifting. Still, it's not as "automated" as I had expected it would be, and there is at least a semblance of the feel of manual shifting and the greater control it offers.

 

SS = Sport Shift, Acura's name for the Sequential Automatic.


Cool.

You are of course correct - it is not the experience of an MT - Neither tactilely nor performance-wise. There is nothing like coordinating your hand and foot movements in direct connection to the car.

And an MT is truely a direct mechanical (or electro/mechanical) connection to the transmission - hence the shift speed depends primarily on how fast *you* are.

However, the SS can add a bit of fun and occasionally some function. A true SMT would be a very nice add to these cars.

 

or DSG