I'm currently driving a 00 non navi TL and i was thinking of trading in for a 03 TLS. But first I wanted to see if the price increase would be worth the extra HP and options so I went and test drove a 03 TLS w/navi. Needless to say i wasn't impressed, and definitely not for the price increase. The salesman goes threw the hole bit yaddi yadda about the difference between my car and the TLS, and he says it has more HP and that i will notice that as soon as i step on the gas. To make a long story short, i didn't notice ANY difference from light to light, and only a SLIGHT difference in mid-range. I actually feel as if from a stand still my car maybe slightly quicker, remember that's seat of the pants testing.

Was wondering if anyone in the Columbus ohio or cleveland area with a STOCK TLS would be willing to do a side by side comparison with my car? Remember this is just for fun amongst family

Either way i may check out the new Accords, i'm just not really feeling the styling on those yet, or i may wait for the 04 Tl's.

 

I am in Cincinnati. If you are ever down this way I would be happy to meet up. I have an 03 TLS.

 

I don't get south to much, but if i'm ever that way i will surely let u know. U r STOCK, correct?


OH yeah, can anyone tell me who is the person on here who works at the Lexus Dealership but once worked for the ACura dealer, I would like to get in contact with him, thanks?

 

Wow... that's strange. The new TL-P's have more HP then the older TLs do.. and the difference from the TL-S' to the TL-P is pretty significant.... so I would imagine that the difference between the TL-S to the older TL would be even greater. Maybe you test drove a lemon?

I'll tell you this... when I test drove the TL-S I thought my 98 CL 3.0 was faster too, but the real reason was that you didn't feel the speed in the TL-S. When I looked down I was shocked!! I honestly thought, in my head, that the CL was faster for the first 2 weeks that I had my TL-S until I got to appreciate the fact that the TL-S was sooo much faster, but also 5x smoother. I would floor it (after break-in of course) and be like, damn, my CL was quicker to 60mph.... then look down and realize I was doing 80mph in almost the same time the CL did 65mph or so.....

 

The same thing happened with me only I test drove an RSX type S. I was very unimpressed with the speed and pickup of that car. But i have a 03 tls and i think its very very fast but people tell me that the RSX type S can beat a stock tls off the line. So once you really start driving it then you will really know fast it is.

 

juniorbean, i have a newer TL-P with the 225hp and the 5speed.

On paper, u are right, the TLS should be faster than my TL. It's just that the one i drove didn't seem like it at all. It did ride firmer and more sportier, but to me the extra power just wasn't there. I may have had a lemon, not sure, that's y i want to do a friendly comparison.

 

You're right.. the '00 TL's had 225hp.... my bad.

Either way you should still notice a difference. My guess is that it's not that great of a difference b/c the torque on the Type-S is only 16 more ft. lbs.... so it's not a huge difference that would throw you back into the seat. You probably didn't have a lemon... probably just wasn't as big of a difference as you were expecting. One place you'd probably feel it is on the highway. When cruising around 70mph or so... kick it into third and go and you'll be hitting 100mph in no time. Down low the TL-S is probably pretty similar with the older models as far as power, but up high it should have a little more....

I'd be interested to see the results should you be able to hook up with a local TL-Ser.....

 

junior, i'm interested to see myself, hopefully i can find someone with a TLS to make this happen.

like i stated b4, i did notice a slight difference in mid range at speeds of 40-50mph.

If push comes to shove, i may just try to get out to the racetrack and get a time on my car.

 

Also the car you drove wasnt broken in, where your car is. My car was noticeably slower for the first couple thousand miles.

 

YOu know this topic really really intrests me! I have an 03 TLP anthracite metallic, and when I went to the dealer, I had no idea about the differences between the TLP and TLS, but I knew one thing, and that is I didn't want a stiff ride at all! when I mentioned it to the dealer, he said the tlp was the way to go. I went on my merry way, until one day I went to a meat and drove a CLS w navi! I didn't drive over bad roads to judge it stiffness, but boy did I notice an extra pull in VTEC! down low both TLP and CLSS pulled the same, but once at 3,000 to 7,000rpms, THE CLS just got plain rude! it felt mustangesque! I'd definitely get smoked!

Knowing all that I guess I regret not getting type S, or navi, but I leased the car and wasn't willing to play anyting more than 350 per month, and I think all those extra options would have cost me more per month! I paid like 3 grand down and I pay 350bucks per month! ALSO I definitely DIDN'T want a stiff ride, so if the TLS rides any stiffer than the TLp(which I'm sure), then I wouldn't want it, even if it flew!

with all this said, can anyone verify the TLP's acceleration times? is it possible to hit low 15's at the drag strips with:

1. 1/4tank of gas
2. spare tire out
3. traction control off
4. break torqueing(bring off the revs and floor it) in like D3
5. taking off right before the light turns green

This is what I plan to do against a co-worker with a buick regal GS(supercharged)(I know I might get killed but who cares!) in october. I plan to go with him to the great lakes dragway in wisconsin to prove who's da man!
I think there was a freak 0 to 60 in 6.7 with a 15.2 quarter in a 2000 issue of motortrend! can anyone confirm this?

thanks

 

Funny you were not able to tell the differences. I had a '02 TLP before I traded in for a '02 TLS and to me the differences were not subtle. Better off the line acceleration (a LOT better), better handling & control(courtesy beefed up springs, shocks, VDC, bigger wheels), better braking, not to mention the cosmetic differences. I took two test drives and traded in my TLP the next day. After experiencing the Type S I knew there was no way I could live with a TLP.

Just my (expensive) .02 ...

 

I would of let you drive my 02 tl type s but I totaled it 2 weeks ago. I think you would definitely notice how much faster the tlp is than mine since I blew all 4 rims and tires

 

I was able to tell the difference in off the line acceleration. I don't know, maybe i have one of those TL's motor trend tested in 00. With that being said, that is y i want to do the side by side comparison. Any takers?

 

Honestly I don't think so. I was at the dragstrip Saturday (9/8) for an import vs. domestic shootout and there was a CL-P there who ran a 15.8 on his fastest run. I honestly don't think the things you listed above would allow you to drop almost a full second off of your 1/4 mile.... maybe mid-15's would be possible, but not low. I could be wrong... but logically it just seems very, very, tough.

Some more points below:

1. 1/4tank of gas - will help somewhat
2. spare tire out - will help somewhat
3. traction control off - if you're running stock tires... this may hurt you
4. break torqueing(bring off the revs and floor it) in like D3 - if you're running stock tires... this may hurt you
5. taking off right before the light turns green - keep in mind that reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. You can sit at the green light for 5 minutes before you go and your ET would still be the same. You can sit there for 5 min. and win the race if your time is faster then the other lane.

 

thanks, i appreciate the offer. What about when u get your new TLS, if they don't total it out? Do u know anyone else with a TLS?

 

Why dont you go to a dealer and do your AB comparisons there? Go on a weekday and drive all you want!

 

Uhhh, that's what i did. Re-read my first post. I went and TEST drove a TLS, and that's what i'm basing my opinion on. I drive a 00 TL-P everyday.

 

well your certainly not encouraging I'll go and see for myself! If I beat his ass I'll be happy, even if I get a 16!

 

perhaps there was something wrong with the car you drove. I can easily feel the extra power in the TLS over the TLP.

 

i drove the TLP first then test drove the TLS....the power and the ride was so different.....it was like two different cars....the tls is the way to go....much more for your investment....just my opinion though.....

 

You can do side by side comparo's all day long..I don't care how fast your 00 TLP "feels", there is no way to hide the extra 35 ponies and the extra torque in the type S. Trust me, it's all in your head that the type S you drove didn't feel different than your TL. Unless of course you have modded your TL, then this discussion is useless, but otherwise the type S is a faster vehicle, even if your lucky and have a "faster" TL than others.

 

First of all let me say this, my TL is completely STOCK. U r right, on PAPER it should be no contest, the same with a 02' Max GLE auto versus a TL-P. But that was NOT the case with the Max, from 0-110 i had the Max by 1.5-2 car lengths, and from a 20mph roll up until 110 i had 1 car length. If i'm correct the 02 Max is comparable to the TLS. What's useless is to sit here and go back and forth and bench race and say what a car SHOULD DO. So that's i asked if anyone in the Columbus or Cleveland area would be willing to do a friendly comparison, b/c that is the only way we will truly know. I appreciate the guy from Cincinatti's response, and if i'm ever down that way i will try and hook up with him.

 

Lol. This thread is actually pretty funny.

 

 

In my case, money was the only reason not to get type S. But I am here in Canada, and we do pay 15% tax and the difference was 4K + 15% which makes it 46 hundred Canadian dollars more for the type S. I do not think type S is that much better. But also, for you USA people, type S is way to go in my opinion.

 

edgelang

 

The TL-S is quicker and more powerful than the TL-P and you CAN feel it. But by test driving the TL-S and expecting it to be a rocket more power like a M5 or E55, you could be disapointed. And I think that's what just happened to you... (Maybe you did not rev it up to 6900RPM)

I own a TL-S since april 01, and I had a 2000 TL-P. And yes, the price I extra paid justifies the upgrade I got.

 

hmmm...not as bad as I thought it'd be. :p

 

Your correct they did test it and got those times I still have that issue. So if you base it off of those numbers the TLS is only slightly quicker. It varies from car to car although.

 

why? I'm actually not a bad person! Really though we should all stop all sorts of bickerring because, at the end of the day, its an acura we all get in! were all in the same family! I'm sorry for all the things I said against you. Please forgive me, so that we can forget this pettyness!

 

wow! well then, That makes a .4 second difference if you compare the best TL, and TLS times! well I don't care. I'll tell you guys what numbers I get in october, and If I get a freak 15.2, I'll be sure the timeslip

 

Said and done.