Passive Radar Jammers.
06-14-2001, 05:17 AM
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Passive Radar Jammers.
Has anyone here heard of the Phanton 2? I've been pondering what my first mod should be (other than tint) and came to the conclusion that a radar detector/jammer would be the best bang for your buck (instead of springs). The best price I was able to get so far is $273 and was wondering if anyone could compare just the radar part with the valentine-one and escort-8500. I should be getting mine in 5 days.
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06-14-2001, 08:17 AM
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Did you actually order the Phantom?? I hope not, it's a piece of shit. NONE of those passive jammers work. I used to have the Phazer (which is by the same company) and it didn't work (yes, I tested it). I also bought a video tape which tested about 7 different jammers and 4 or 5 radar detectors. Only 2 of the jammers worked (one was lazer only and runs around $300, one was an active jammer which is highly illegal and runs around $450). The rest didn't do a thing. They also tested radar detectors and all of the products by Rocky Mountain Radar scored the lowest. Not only did it not jam, it didn't detect most radar or lazer bands. They even aimed the gun directly at it and it didn't go off. Basically, you can't even compare the radar part of the Phantom to any radar detector b/c it's horrible. If you bought it... get a refund and buy a Valentine One for the extra $125 or whatever it is.....
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06-14-2001, 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by juniorbean:
Only 2 of the jammers worked (one was lazer only and runs around $300, one was an active jammer which is highly illegal and runs around $450).
Only 2 of the jammers worked (one was lazer only and runs around $300, one was an active jammer which is highly illegal and runs around $450).
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06-14-2001, 08:51 AM
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They do not work - and I think the issue of potential legal issues cannot be dismissed - this is not like driving 65 in a 60 zone - there are Federal communications issues, standards, and protocols that can have ripple effects none of us is qualified to predict.
06-14-2001, 09:11 AM
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The two best jammers were the Blinder (around $300) and the Phantom RXD (around $650, the price went up!!). Both are highly illegal and you would probably end up in jail if you were caught with them. According to the FCC, it's illegal to jam any signal (I don't know all of the laws, but I'm sure you could find them online). Not only that, but the equipment police departments use can tell when they're being jammed, so not only would you get a speeding ticket, but you could get arrested. My advise....just use a good radar detector and don't drive too fast....
06-14-2001, 09:47 AM
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Juniorbean is 100% correct, I tried the same Jammer from Rocky Mountain Radar and returned it to the company before the 30 day evaluation was up so I could get my $300 bucks back. Does NOTHING. Speed Measuremnt labs (speedlabs.com) runs tests every year, here are their results from '97 http://www.laserbuster.com/report.html
and here are the more recent 2000 tests. http://www.radar-detectors-radardete...ts.html#Feb24.
They completed their 2001 tests in May but I haven't found a link to the actual published report yet, of course they have their video for sale.
and here are the more recent 2000 tests. http://www.radar-detectors-radardete...ts.html#Feb24.
They completed their 2001 tests in May but I haven't found a link to the actual published report yet, of course they have their video for sale.
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06-14-2001, 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by bricot:
Juniorbean is 100% correct, I tried the same Jammer from Rocky Mountain Radar and returned it to the company before the 30 day evaluation was up so I could get my $300 bucks back. Does NOTHING. Speed Measuremnt labs (speedlabs.com) runs tests every year, here are their results from '97 http://www.laserbuster.com/report.html
and here are the more recent 2000 tests. http://www.radar-detectors-radardete...ts.html#Feb24.
They completed their 2001 tests in May but I haven't found a link to the actual published report yet, of course they have their video for sale.
Juniorbean is 100% correct, I tried the same Jammer from Rocky Mountain Radar and returned it to the company before the 30 day evaluation was up so I could get my $300 bucks back. Does NOTHING. Speed Measuremnt labs (speedlabs.com) runs tests every year, here are their results from '97 http://www.laserbuster.com/report.html
and here are the more recent 2000 tests. http://www.radar-detectors-radardete...ts.html#Feb24.
They completed their 2001 tests in May but I haven't found a link to the actual published report yet, of course they have their video for sale.
06-14-2001, 12:28 PM
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Ok .. first off "passive jammer" seems to be an oxymoron ... passive implies that it doesnt send a signal but that's in fact what a jammer has to do to "fool" a radar gun.
second, yes they're illegal .. basic violation of FCC law that prohibits anyone except authorized parties from transmitting on police frequencies.
I remember reading a while back some test of some jammer (dont remember which one) .. it only worked if the gun was pretty much right against it..(or very very close to it anyway).. in any case. you dont wanna mess with them. most dont work, and the ones that do are highly illegal.
just get a Valentine 1 and be done with it
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second, yes they're illegal .. basic violation of FCC law that prohibits anyone except authorized parties from transmitting on police frequencies.
I remember reading a while back some test of some jammer (dont remember which one) .. it only worked if the gun was pretty much right against it..(or very very close to it anyway).. in any case. you dont wanna mess with them. most dont work, and the ones that do are highly illegal.
just get a Valentine 1 and be done with it
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06-15-2001, 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by juniorbean:
The two best jammers were the Blinder (around $300) and the Phantom RXD (around $650, the price went up!!). Both are highly illegal and you would probably end up in jail if you were caught with them. According to the FCC, it's illegal to jam any signal (I don't know all of the laws, but I'm sure you could find them online). Not only that, but the equipment police departments use can tell when they're being jammed, so not only would you get a speeding ticket, but you could get arrested. My advise....just use a good radar detector and don't drive too fast....
The two best jammers were the Blinder (around $300) and the Phantom RXD (around $650, the price went up!!). Both are highly illegal and you would probably end up in jail if you were caught with them. According to the FCC, it's illegal to jam any signal (I don't know all of the laws, but I'm sure you could find them online). Not only that, but the equipment police departments use can tell when they're being jammed, so not only would you get a speeding ticket, but you could get arrested. My advise....just use a good radar detector and don't drive too fast....
YEP -- get a V1 radar detector (I'm ordering mine next week)
The cops are getting very good with LIDAR and a V1 is not too good at detecting a beam that it can not see -- just a warning.
They passed a law in California VC 28150, that makes a illegal to own or operate a laser jammer.
I read the part about no links so here is the text:
Jamming: Electronic Speed-Measuring Devices
28150. (a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
(b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
(c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) is an infraction.
(d) When a person possesses four or more devices in violation of subdivision (b), the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has a valid federal license for operating the devices described in this section may transport one or more of those devices if the license is carried in the vehicle transporting the device at all times when the device is being transported.
06-15-2001, 07:26 AM
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My question is, what good is any radar detector if the cop uses instant on radar or laser? Also, is it really worth the money to have a detector that only works if someone is infront of or behind you, and the cop is actually using the laser/ radar at that moment?
Just wondering...
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06-15-2001, 07:31 AM
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Re: Instant on
If you are alone on the highway, instant on can get you.
However, in traffic, the back splatter off of other cars as the cop triggers the radar is very often detectable. That is why you want a detector with good range, to pick it up.
It pays to travel in a pack or school - wolves and fish have that figured out!
If you are alone on the highway, instant on can get you.
However, in traffic, the back splatter off of other cars as the cop triggers the radar is very often detectable. That is why you want a detector with good range, to pick it up.
It pays to travel in a pack or school - wolves and fish have that figured out!
06-15-2001, 12:43 PM
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I have a Passport 8500 and the laser dectector saved my ass. The cop was hiding on a hill and was shooting me from a long distance away at night and on a wide open road. I was stopped at a stop light and about to floor it. Without my detector I would have never known he was there and probably would have jetted right by him resulting in a speeding ticket for me. But before I could even get up to high speed my detector went off this is why the laser feature of a detector is important even though its instant. Its good for when cops hide on city roads and try to catch people. It doesnt work when cops are using laser on the highway. I've noticed that cops use regular radar more then laser for the most part anyways. And my radar detector goes off about a mile before I come up on a cop.
I recommend for everyone a V1 or Passport 8500.
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06-15-2001, 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Road Rage:
Re: Instant on
If you are alone on the highway, instant on can get you.
However, in traffic, the back splatter off of other cars as the cop triggers the radar is very often detectable. That is why you want a detector with good range, to pick it up.
It pays to travel in a pack or school - wolves and fish have that figured out!
Re: Instant on
If you are alone on the highway, instant on can get you.
However, in traffic, the back splatter off of other cars as the cop triggers the radar is very often detectable. That is why you want a detector with good range, to pick it up.
It pays to travel in a pack or school - wolves and fish have that figured out!
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06-15-2001, 09:46 PM
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Just a comment:
Some (notice I said some) cops are getting very good at aiming their new laser guns.
I had a friend with a V1 get popped, the cop had a look at the V1 and just laughed, he actualy took my friend over to PCH to let him watch as he gave out some more tickets!
A good/smart cop will wait until your in range, and then just shoot the front licence plate. (Here in SoCal/LA, they are really tough about having the front plate -- can you say fixated.)
They can hit the plate (if they are good) without a V1 having a clue.
I'm still getting a V1 -- there is enough non-instant on radar to make it "cheap insurance" for me. I have a "clean" record, and am not some maniac, but in all of my years of driving I've always gotten popped for some dopey ticket on an 8-lane blvd (doing just over the flow of traffic).
(just my own thoughts and comments...)
Some (notice I said some) cops are getting very good at aiming their new laser guns.
I had a friend with a V1 get popped, the cop had a look at the V1 and just laughed, he actualy took my friend over to PCH to let him watch as he gave out some more tickets!
A good/smart cop will wait until your in range, and then just shoot the front licence plate. (Here in SoCal/LA, they are really tough about having the front plate -- can you say fixated.)
They can hit the plate (if they are good) without a V1 having a clue.
I'm still getting a V1 -- there is enough non-instant on radar to make it "cheap insurance" for me. I have a "clean" record, and am not some maniac, but in all of my years of driving I've always gotten popped for some dopey ticket on an 8-lane blvd (doing just over the flow of traffic).
(just my own thoughts and comments...)
06-15-2001, 10:58 PM
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I'll keep saying this until I get ticketed and I don't believe I am jinxing myself: I have been instant-on laser about half a dozen times with V1 and my old Passport. Beat it every time because I wasn't up front first.
The laser cops might laugh but they're not laughing at me. To my knowledge, I have never been hit first thing with the laser while speeding. I've always picked up the residuals from some other guy ahead (and was able to slow down). Just like instant-on radar. I'm not bragging, just lucky.
I can't see where the incident or frequency of instant-on laser is that much higher (if higher at all) than with radar? I mean I have been hit with instant-on laser about two dozen times in my life, instant-on radar about two thousand times.
To be honest, I get hit with instant-on radar a lot more than with instant-on laser(being out front and ahead of everyone). Instant-on radar scares me, instant-on doesn't; only because of it's infrequency (about once a month). To put away my V1 or lose faith in it because of instant-on laser's ability to have a near 100% likelihood of catching me (even though I encounter it once a month) is ludicrous. And when I do encounter it, as I've said, I'm still not the first guy and I do get a chance of slowing down.
Sorry so long but I guess your laser situation may be different (read more intense) so this might not work for you. Try this next time, when you see a laser trap in progress, if you have time, go thru it a few times over and over. Get a good feel for it.
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The laser cops might laugh but they're not laughing at me.
To my knowledge, I have never been hit first thing with the laser while speeding. I've always picked up the residuals from some other guy ahead (and was able to slow down). Just like instant-on radar. I'm not bragging, just lucky.I can't see where the incident or frequency of instant-on laser is that much higher (if higher at all) than with radar? I mean I have been hit with instant-on laser about two dozen times in my life, instant-on radar about two thousand times.
To be honest, I get hit with instant-on radar a lot more than with instant-on laser(being out front and ahead of everyone). Instant-on radar scares me, instant-on doesn't; only because of it's infrequency (about once a month). To put away my V1 or lose faith in it because of instant-on laser's ability to have a near 100% likelihood of catching me (even though I encounter it once a month) is ludicrous. And when I do encounter it, as I've said, I'm still not the first guy and I do get a chance of slowing down.
Sorry so long but I guess your laser situation may be different (read more intense) so this might not work for you. Try this next time, when you see a laser trap in progress, if you have time, go thru it a few times over and over. Get a good feel for it.
http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005960.html
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06-16-2001, 04:47 AM
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Kenny, didn't you say that your car was black AND you din't have a front plate. I think you are either very good at figuring out the local cop strategies, or you are very lucky. (Your car is also very hard to target. Come down to Hermosa Beach, and I'll get you the exact street and we'll have you drive about 20 MPH over the limit in MR LIDAR's neiborhood, and see how long you last 
As, you have already heard, I know some people that are not dummies and got nabbed. Perhaps the police in San Diego (with their sniper crew) and the guy in Hermosa Beach was just better, or there was less traffic.
For example, the next time you are running in an area with dense growth and a few residential driveways for a LIDAR cop to park in (totally hidden), and you come running up without the "cover" of any other cars, AND your speeding, you will get tagged just as the V1 sounds or indicates it.
Example -- I have done some fast driving and have no tickets showing -- does this make it impossible for me to get a ticket. I think not.
I am getting my V1 ASAP, but I still think that I will be looking for likely setups and consulting with the web and friends for known "laser" stake-out locations.
If they want you, and your speeding, they will get you.
You are in Kansas, my dad was born in Kansas, and I spent time in Witchita, and it is nothing like Los Angeles!!!!
As, you have already heard, I know some people that are not dummies and got nabbed. Perhaps the police in San Diego (with their sniper crew) and the guy in Hermosa Beach was just better, or there was less traffic.
For example, the next time you are running in an area with dense growth and a few residential driveways for a LIDAR cop to park in (totally hidden), and you come running up without the "cover" of any other cars, AND your speeding, you will get tagged just as the V1 sounds or indicates it.
Example -- I have done some fast driving and have no tickets showing -- does this make it impossible for me to get a ticket. I think not.
I am getting my V1 ASAP, but I still think that I will be looking for likely setups and consulting with the web and friends for known "laser" stake-out locations.
If they want you, and your speeding, they will get you.
You are in Kansas, my dad was born in Kansas, and I spent time in Witchita, and it is nothing like Los Angeles!!!!
06-16-2001, 04:58 AM
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BTW -- Ken, the spot beam sizes are decreasing with the increased power of the new laser diodes. They also make some rather nice DSP chips, and ultra low noise optical pre-amps for current mode operation with IR diodes.
With the increased performance, it is possible to reduce the spot size and still get a good enough return signal at range.
Remember, LED and laser diodes keep getting better ever few months!!!!
Add in a good set of optics and IR filters and you've got an even better LIDAR gun.
With the increased performance, it is possible to reduce the spot size and still get a good enough return signal at range.
Remember, LED and laser diodes keep getting better ever few months!!!!
Add in a good set of optics and IR filters and you've got an even better LIDAR gun.
06-16-2001, 06:38 AM
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Guys, where can I purchased V1 or Passport 8500?? Ever since I had my TLS, my right right foot is itching on more and more speed... hehee!!
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06-16-2001, 09:55 AM
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You can get V1 on the web at valentine1.com and passport is sold in electronics stores.
http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/ <--info on radar detectors and jammers
http://www.speedtrap.com/ <-this site has a national listing for all the police traps and cameras reported in US.
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http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/ <--info on radar detectors and jammers
http://www.speedtrap.com/ <-this site has a national listing for all the police traps and cameras reported in US.
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06-16-2001, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by TypeSDragon:
Guys, where can I purchased V1 or Passport 8500?? Ever since I had my TLS, my right right foot is itching on more and more speed... hehee!!
Guys, where can I purchased V1 or Passport 8500?? Ever since I had my TLS, my right right foot is itching on more and more speed... hehee!!
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06-16-2001, 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by EricL:
Kenny, didn't you say that your car was black AND you din't have a front plate. I think you are either very good at figuring out the local cop strategies, or you are very lucky. (Your car is also very hard to target. Come down to Hermosa Beach, and I'll get you the exact street and we'll have you drive about 20 MPH over the limit in MR LIDAR's neiborhood, and see how long you last
As, you have already heard, I know some people that are not dummies and got nabbed. Perhaps the police in San Diego (with their sniper crew) and the guy in Hermosa Beach was just better, or there was less traffic.
For example, the next time you are running in an area with dense growth and a few residential driveways for a LIDAR cop to park in (totally hidden), and you come running up without the "cover" of any other cars, AND your speeding, you will get tagged just as the V1 sounds or indicates it.
Example -- I have done some fast driving and have no tickets showing -- does this make it impossible for me to get a ticket. I think not.
I am getting my V1 ASAP, but I still think that I will be looking for likely setups and consulting with the web and friends for known "laser" stake-out locations.
If they want you, and your speeding, they will get you.
You are in Kansas, my dad was born in Kansas, and I spent time in Witchita, and it is nothing like Los Angeles!!!!
Kenny, didn't you say that your car was black AND you din't have a front plate. I think you are either very good at figuring out the local cop strategies, or you are very lucky. (Your car is also very hard to target. Come down to Hermosa Beach, and I'll get you the exact street and we'll have you drive about 20 MPH over the limit in MR LIDAR's neiborhood, and see how long you last
As, you have already heard, I know some people that are not dummies and got nabbed. Perhaps the police in San Diego (with their sniper crew) and the guy in Hermosa Beach was just better, or there was less traffic.
For example, the next time you are running in an area with dense growth and a few residential driveways for a LIDAR cop to park in (totally hidden), and you come running up without the "cover" of any other cars, AND your speeding, you will get tagged just as the V1 sounds or indicates it.
Example -- I have done some fast driving and have no tickets showing -- does this make it impossible for me to get a ticket. I think not.
I am getting my V1 ASAP, but I still think that I will be looking for likely setups and consulting with the web and friends for known "laser" stake-out locations.
If they want you, and your speeding, they will get you.
You are in Kansas, my dad was born in Kansas, and I spent time in Witchita, and it is nothing like Los Angeles!!!!
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06-19-2001, 01:27 AM
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Regarding the legality of laser jammers, as far as I know the FCC only regulates RADIO transmissions. Near-visible light signals are normally excluded from FCC regulations.
As mentioned in the Speed Labs report, the FDA regulates the near-visible spectrum, not the FCC.
That's not to say that there aren't any State laws that prohibit these devices!
As mentioned in the Speed Labs report, the FDA regulates the near-visible spectrum, not the FCC.
That's not to say that there aren't any State laws that prohibit these devices!
06-19-2001, 12:19 PM
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I should be getting my Passport 8500 in today...cant wait! BTW...they have a 30 day money back guarantee...no question asked.
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06-19-2001, 03:29 PM
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Like my cousin told me long time ago. If you want to speed than find a rabbit and follow him. I know you can still get pulled over but if you keep a safe distance you might get lucky.
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