GRV6668

Well , I lined up with a 500S with Big Fat Tires and even bigger wheels. Black all the way around. Looked pretty intimidating !

Anyway , I took the VSA and the Heater off and put it in SS.
The light turned green and I was a little jumpy , forgot to feather the pedal and spun pretty hard. He got about a 1/3 of a car length on me since he hooked up with those fatties and we ended up going down the road as if a bar was holding our two cars together up to 90.

I had to shut her down then since my lane had a car in it and I couldn't pass him. Oh well.

All in all , I know some stats say that I should have taken him and I probably would have if it weren't for my idiot take off , but I felt extremely good about keeping up with a 90,000 + car !!!

Nice

evolaerok

Was it the new gen S500? Man with a v8 that thing should have killed you in the upper speeds....

fahoumh

moe182's dad has a '00 S500 and that will fly when you drop the gas pedal, at any speed....and the thing feels like you're going 60 when you're doing 140.:wow:

evolaerok

Yeah I've been in one going 110mph and the thing is fast for the size, that's why I was asking if it was a new gen. By the way I might be wrong, but I heard the S-class' is governed @ 127mph...

samkws

well..they may be a little bit heavy...but they are the monster on the hwy...pull u off at high end for sure...

the old or new 500 are just too powerful...

AKRY

Old S500(1992-1999) should be able to hang with TL-P at stand still, and leave both TL-P AND TLS behind by the time it reaches 50mph....

New S500 will do 0-60 in low 6's all day long with 1/4 mile in mid-14's....if the S500 had stock 16", it would have leave you behind even from standstill.... neverthless, nice race...

P.S. S500 is electronically governed at 150mph...

Andy Kuo

yahtzee

You werent "keeping up" with him b/c we have super fast cars, he just wasnt punching it.....

copland007

Yah, those cars are fast. I was crusing along ~110/115mph and someone in silver 500 blew by me like I was parked.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was sitting right at the goverened mark.

JPritch

That's exactly what I was thinking! He was probably just taking off like we would at any light, probably didn't even realize you were trying to race him!

Man, the new S class is the SWEETEST car out now in my opinion. If I pulled up next to that all black ride, my jaw would have been to the floor.

I'll take a new all black S500, 600, or 55 AMG anyday over ANY other ride!

AC

I can beat one up pretty easily

bluedragon

JPRITCH
I'D RATHER HAVE THE NEW CL600, I'LL TAKE IT OVER ANYTHING

fahoumh

I dunno....I think there's a SL55 AMG coming out.

samkws

i would take S600 over S55 coz of the hand made S600 is more luxury and more elegant...then spiced up with AMG package...

but for CL and SL i would take the 55 instead of 600 coz of the sporty flavour...

but i still prefer a CLK55 AMG...

then S600 when i am 45 yrs old

evolaerok

I'll take the SL55, real pimp ride....

Moe182

Did someone say Benz? Thats one car company i know most about....
Yea if it was a a new gen S500...he wouldve pasted you, (no offense) i know this for i fact because i have in my dads against a TL-S....the old one.....it prob would be pretty even...just because the whole car was designed/setup more with luxury in mind and was i forget like so many hundreds of pounds more.....

yea the S500 is the most stable car ive ever driven solid and smooth as hell at 236kph (i was racing a porsche 911) ...with its air ride suspension, the car lowers 1 inch above 140kph for added stability.

And as for the best benz out there.....hands down it would be the new SL55....Its the same "55" engines as the others just with an added supercharger making 469hp, and i think 517 lb ft.....its gonna run 0-62mph (100kph) in 4.7 secs. At 1500 RPM its got 360 lb ft (already 30 more then the peak torque on the "500" engine)
at 2000 RPM i think its at 400 and somethin lb ft, and from 2500 to 5000 (red line is 6000) it has its peak torque (517 lb ft) and on top of ALL that it COULD top out at 203 mph....but there are no road tires for a 4400lbs car at 200+ mph so even the "unrestricted" one is stopped at 187mph, as opposed to the standard 155mph limit benzes usually have......

sorry for the long post...

AcctCanc05

doesn't the s500 have a v-12 engine?

Moe182

Naw, the S500 is a 5.0 litre V8 w/ 302 hp (latest gen)
the S600 is a 5.8 litre V12 w/362hp (or around that)
and the S55 is a tuned version of the 500 engine with some added displacement and power (its 5.5 litres and the hp varies from each car with that power plant)

samkws

no...the old gen 420 and 500 engines are 32valves DOHC V8 engine that has 275 and 300 hp respectively, they are very very thristy...

the new gen 430 and 500 engines are 24 valves SOHC V8 engine that has 278 and 302hp, they are a little less thristy and clean emission.

the old 600 was a 48valve DOHC V12 engine that has 399-402 hp for the early 90s then they tuned to 389hp due to emission and more low-end torque

the new 600 is a 36valve SOHC V12 that has 360hp??? not quite sure for this one...

all 600 series are V12 engines and they are fully hand made instead of robots...

AcctCanc05

sorry peeps, i must have been thinkin of s600,, wont let it happen again., my bad!!! =O)

Moe182

Yea, the New engines are less thirsty because they have this feature where if they are idling, or in slow city traffic half of the cylinders are shut off......

And yea i double checked the latest gen 600 engine is 362 hp

And the 600 and (some?) amg engines are hand built.....i know for a fact the SL 55's is hand built.

GRV6668

Well , I've listened to all you all and trust me , we raced , and I kept up until at least 85. Yes , he would have pulled away nicely after that , as a tuned 5.0 liter should on a 3.2 liter.

I'm not saying that I think I should have beat the car , I just know it's nice that a 33K car can keep up , on the lower end , with a 90K car !!

Trust me , he was pissed !!

We were on a slight hill going down and the temp was about 30 degrees. Nice and crisp. I know he was flooring it since I could see his shifts , and they were hard.

Besides , our stats are not that different.
An S500 w two people in it will pull to 60 in about 6.5 seconds.
I think , under the right circumstances , our car , stock , with a 1/4 tank of gas and 1 person in it , will do the same or slightly better..

I know he'd have made me eat it past 85 and I'm alright with that. I love that car anyway since my pop had an S430 before he passed away and my dammed step , oh , I mean X step mother , got it. Close one

Anyway , I'm waiting to get my Z06 and call it a day even though I'm terribly scared of domestic cars !!! Oh well .....

JPritch

Sorry to hear about your Dad, my condolences.

samkws

the new engines are designed for more torque instead of hp and running more smoothly...3 valves per cylinder gives better fuel economy and clean emission than 4 valves...and SOHC engine is a trend now coz they can have as much power as DOHC engine thank to those valve control...and with much more low end torque..

the cylinder deactive system only close the cylinders when at high spd, not the low spd...say 75mph...saves extra 20% of fuel

AKRY

samkws & Moe 182,

First of all, I would give my applauds to BOTH of you.... You guys are truely die-hard car lovers.... but couple points...

1992 - early 1993 W140 pumps out more HP... my '92 400SE pumps out 282HP, not 279HP(mid-1993 to 1995), not 275HP(1996 - 1999)... also, mine pumps out 302lb-ft of torque, again, more than mid-1993 - 1999 models(which pumps out just a tick below 300lb-ft, 295lb-ft).

MB switches to 3-valves per cylinder V8 to give better fuel economy and better emission.... DOHC V8s/V12s already pump out 90% of torque at low rpm(e.g. my 400SE already pumps out about 271lb-ft at 1500rpm). NA-Spec S500 never got the Cylinder-Cutoff feature, but S600 does.... Cylinder-Cutoff cuts off(stop firing) driver side bank of cylinders when peak power is not required... and it does NOT need to be highway speed.....

ALL AMG engines are hand-built(and from what I was told, EVERY AMG engines are factory tuned AND dynoed before putting into the car) by ONE tech, with his/her signature on the engine.... rest of the engines are mass produced with some touches done by hands...

Here's a long(ugly)list I wrote for a fellow potential MB buyer... and was posted on an MB forum(www.mercedesshop.com)...

"Just to point one thing out, there was no such car as 1995 300SE... Mercedes put class designation in front of number in 1994......

In 1992, both 300SE and 400SE share the same body(Short-Wheel-Base), so, it's hard to tell them apart besides lookinig at the trunk badge. However, 400SE rolls on 235/60ZR 16 tires, while 300SE rolls on 225/60HR 16. 400SE gets 4-wheel vented discs as well as Brake-Distribution. 500SEL and 600SEL were sold in Long-Wheel-Base ONLY from 1992-1999. Again, it would be hard to tell apart a 500SEL and 600SEL front just the exterior except one(and you would need a very keen eyes), on top of the lock "knob"(the knob that goes down when you lock the door of the car)has a small chrome ring on top(about 1/4 down from the top)on a 600SEL, while the rest of the S-Class has the chrome rings in the MIDDLE of the knob.

In 1993, 400SE was changed to 400SEL(Long-Wheel-Base), and has stay as LWB from 1993 - 1999. So, leave 300SE as the only SWB model in 1993. And since 400SEL has grown to be a LWB model... only way to tell it apart from 500SEL and 600SEL is look at the hood, close to windshield. On 500SEL and 600SEL, there is a standard Active-Charcoal filter, and therefore, there is a long bend of "vent" running across the hood. If you see vent on hood, and it's LWB, it's most likely a 400SEL. S-Class Coupe is introduced to North America in 1993, availabe as 500SEC and 600SEC, but later in the year changed to S500/S600.

In 1994, Mercedes changed the designation. Class designation goes to the from, and # stays back... e.g. 300SD = S350, 300SE = S320, 400SE/SEL = S420, 500SEL = S500, 600SEL = S600. ASR standard on ALL S-Class.

In 1995, S-Class gets minor facelift(new front/rear lights, new bumpers, side claddings. Interior updates such as electronic odometer readout in gauge cluster, slightly different marking on gauges, enlarged hand rests on doors) as well as interior changes. Canadian S500 and S600 gets Full Leather, 2-tone interior. Smaller remote control was used. Last year for S350(Desiel). S320 LWB available.

In 1996, S-Class sedan lose their rear parking rods, and all V8/V12 models get 5-speed electronic automatic tranny. New Radio/Infrare remote was used to lengthen the remote distance. Again, Canadian S500 and S600 gets full leather, 2-tone interior. Last year for S500 to have full leahter, 2-tone interior.

Desiel S-Class dropped from the line up.

In 1997, 2nd minor facelift to S-Class, and 1st minor lift to S-Class Coupe. S-Class gets clear rear turn signal lenses instead of orange. Whole car is painted in Monotone color, instead of 2-tone. Newly styled rims, as well as more options(HID, Parktronic). S-Class Coupe get smoked/clear rear turn signal lenses, gone is the rear parking rods(Coupe still has them in 1995-1996 even though they are gone on Sedans), replaced by standard Parktronic. Xenon headlights are standard on S-Class Coupe(1997-1999). Rainsensing Wiper standard on all S-Class. All models get Active-Charcoal filter as standard.

In 1998, S-Class Coupe became CL-Class.

In 1999, S500 has a Special Edition version called Grand Edition. Sold only in US, Grand Edition has Parchment Leather, Birch & Maple Wood Trim, with matching steering wheel & gearshift, special floor mate, illuminated front door sills, standard ported ducking cell phone. Grand Edition rolls on 18" AMG Monoblock(18x8.5), with 255/45ZR 18 tires. Grand Edition comes in Obsidian Black ONLY!

In 2000, W220 replaced W140. C140(CL-Class, or S-Class Coupe)discontinued.

Major Options through out the life-span of W140/C140

4-Place Seating package - All W140 models.

Rear Climate Control - Standard on V12 W140s, optional on rest of W140

Glass Sunroof - Optional in 1992 - 1993 on 300SE and 400SE/SEL, no cost option on 500SEL and 600SEL. Glass-Sunroof become standard 1994.

Electronic Rear Shade. Optional on all models except V12 model. Later become standard on S500 AND S600, optional on the rest models.

ESP(1997+) - Standard on V12 models. Optional on ALL other models.

Parktronic(1997+) - Standard on V12 models, and 1997+ S500 Coupe. Optional on rest of the models.

Xenon(1997+) - Standard on S-Class Coupe, optional on S-Class sedan.

Heated front/rear seats - Front heated seats standard on Canadian models. Optional on US models, except S500/S600. Rear heated seats optional on all models except S600(1992-1995 S500 comes with power recline rear seat back, which also have rear heated seats standard).

Power Recline Rear Seat - Optional from 1992 - 1995. In 1992, ALL models can opt with Power Rear Seats, but began in 1993, Power Rear Seats can only be ordered with LWB models.

ADS - Standard on V12 models, optional on all other models.

Integrated Phone and Portable Phone - Mercedes later offered Portable Phone(StarTac) beginning 1995.

CD-Changer - Standard on V12 models, optional on the rest.

Multicontour front seats(order individually) - Standard on V12 models, optional on the rest.

Hopefully, I have covered all the areas. Might have missed some here and there... will add them in if I found anything I missed."

P.S. 300SD(later renamed S350...Desiel powered S-Class) was NEVER available as LWB(Long-Wheel-Base)model....and was dropped in 1996...

P.S.S. S430 pumps out 275HP, not 278HP...

Andy Kuo

samkws

haha....thanks for the correction...

i didn't have time to flip the book to check the hp ratings...but they are still in my mind somehow...

my dad's 92 S320 (300SE) had 231hp...but it doesn't have much high end power as it feels weak after 4000rpm..the torque is more than enough...but it is at 3000rpm at 60mph..very thristy..but solid as a tank!!

and oops..my dad forgot to order the sunroof at that time...

the price of a S320 back then was more than 140k US in hong kong...
while the S600 was more than 280-300k US!!