darkdeuce

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I am about to do the 105k service on the UA5 when I realized that I should see if there is anything that I can do to up the gas mileage on this bad boy in the process.

I will take any and all under suggestions under advisement as long as they are serious and dont include turning the car into a hybrid or making it run on french fry oil. NO FLUX CAPACITORS please!

Wheels, tires, spark plugs...its all fair game

I figure that this may help others besides myself in the process seeing as the price of gas is supposed to go up to or pass $6 this summer.

give it your best shot. Its a 2002 TLP, all still stock at this point with just over 105k.

justnspace

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light weight rims.

Rejckt

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If you pay us, we may let you in on our secret.

Karanx7

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Lol, that was a priceless thread.

The following mods can help you improve MPG:
-CAI
-Headers
-Spacers
-Catback
-Weight Reduction

Other than that, just drive with a light foot.

03tLsNBP

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gas is not going to $6 this summer...

friesm2000

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buy a different car if you are that worried bout gas mileage (a 4 cylinder accord should give you exactly the same amount of room and better gas mileage too)


also as reference OP what are you getting for gas mileage right now?, cause i average like 16-17 normally and just fill it up when it gets low, i stopped worrying about it a long time ago

friesm2000

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weight reduction would be the cheapest mod (while not only being healthier too)(and take all the excess shit in the car/trunk out also...), otherwise all those other mods, sure as hell buy you quite a bit of gas for little gain in mileage


but yes the light foot will make the biggest diferrence though (while also trying to minimize any braking necessary [engine braking would be a better idea, because the ecu shut off all fuel to the motor if it is engine braking, so nothing is being burnt) and just coasting instead)

JterrorC

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really^^?? no fuel.... but isnt that bad for the tranny

tc5280

by normally he means to the floor.....everywhere, don't lie. i get almost 25 up here with intake and headers

Karanx7

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During engine braking (throttle is closed and the car is above 1200 rpm), the fuel injectors shut off. Coasting is great, as you can even pop it into neutral to keep it going further.

However, I don't think friesm2000 meant to actually lower your gear to assist with braking. Because that would be terrible for the transmission.

fsttyms1

Buy a prius.

thelastaspec

lol - just buy my muffler

friesm2000

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mine actually lasted longer cause I DID keep it out of 5th gear (which is what fucked up on mine)

01tl4tl

a real suggestion: you have 105kmiles---its due for plugs and the timing belt/water pump- plus valve adjust
also seafoam the gas and manifold- see DIY section

those will give as much `stock` mileage as possible

01tl4tl

looking ahead, brake early for red lights = improved mileage

vtec260

Personally, recent changing of plugs to NGX in DIY section helped a lot. Get a good throttle response and am getting extra 40-50km per tankful than previous. Driving habit has not changed as I drive less aggressively, coasting to stop, accelerate smoothly, not usually over 3K RPM when accelerating, and taking anything out in the trunk that's not needed. Not quite ready to move to 4 cyl. vehicle yet.

01tl4tl

egr cleaning service, clean TB and iacv, TB air plate clean

seafoam oil and change oil and filter
use good quality oil

tires are pressure correct for them?,,not 32 psi door sticker pressure!!

01tl4tl

last choice: driver lose weight,,get skinny friends, drive with 1/4 tank gas

see gen3 thread by michealbenz- putting the TL on a diet
he shed the car of every pound and item that could be removed!! (race prep)
found a piece good enough to be a boat anchor,, lives in the front bumper!

friesm2000

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ummm.... don't you mean vill0169 with his TL diet 2.0 (lighter then the original one)



https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/tl-diet-2-0-track-car-build-roll-cage-pg-51-a-805334/

darkdeuce

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01tl04tl: figured I would do this before the plugs went in. have tires at 40, car seems lighter.
Planning on switching to slotted, drilled rotors.
Saw the threads on the TL diet and must say..that seems extreme. I bought the car and like the luxury feel. dont want to drag race it. family car. spare tire is necessary. and getting rid of my AC..with a black (Ebony) interior...in California? not happening.
Removal of the anti-damping "boat anchor" is tempting.
?#1 will a CAI make a difference. how and are there street legal CAI approved for California?
?#2 how much do stock TLP wheels weigh?
?#3 Do NGXs really give better mileage?

01tl4tl

those weight threads are for referance only: of how far you can take the idea,,not a reality based streetable daily driver

cai and headers are legal in Ca IF they are stamped on the part, and have paperwork saying `CARB approved`

I went easy way and deleted/removed intake resonator box and install k&n air filter
works good enough as `invisable`- that part is not tested or examined during Ca smog test...

new plugs help after 60-70kmiles NGK are the approved and best plug for the TL, expensive but worth it
seafoam or bg or redline all good cleaners of fuel system and injectors
thats important to overall running
If 100kmiles or over,,time for a valve adjust,,even a few off spec screws with fuel injected cars performance

for the TL, every 75kmiles EGR service- with removal of manifold and clean all the way thru--do the TB service of iacv at the same time

drnguyen86

seafoam and lose weight

Karanx7

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Lol, this reminds me of an experience last weekend. I always thought that weight reduction wouldn't be significant unless you were actively feeling for it. However, this weekend I had to fit 8 people in the car, and the car barely budged until I gave it gas.

Just thought it was an interesting story =]

Also, check this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHAUsGlfbx8
^ I think he has a 2G TL

darkdeuce

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After reading the posts and watching the video, I realize that I may be able to lose the spare. I am more of a city mouse and have road service....so why not?
ACETONE???
Really?
anyone try this on thier ride besides the guy on the video? Not ready for this one yet unless EVERYONE swore by it. and even then I would be skeptical.
Best plugs for fuel efficiency are NGKs then? agreed?

Karanx7

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Fuck that dude. Don't try it before you do some research on it. I hear both sides of the argument, ranging from engine damage all the way to 2x MPG.

01tl4tl

NGK Iridium or NGK Iridium IX are the best plug for the TL

I like to run a can of seafoam thru half a tank of gas before plug change-
to give them a nice clean place.. to work their best

you can run seafoam anytime without concern
only issue is plugs with 100kmiles may foul and need replacement--but they did anyway!!
Thats only if you do the manifold vac method--gas tank method wont be as aggressive

01tl4tl

there are only 2 approved brands of plug- ngk and denso
the denso cost more and last way fewer miles- per fsttyms1 who has gone thru many sets of plugs in 400kmiles on the TL

01tl4tl

bg44- seen on ads here all the time--is also a good product
that pic of valve is not bs--thats the crud we have to remove!

01tl4tl

road service!! to get towed home with a flat tire?? thats pushing the reasonable limits of weight reduction in the car...isnt it?

didnt watch the vid but guessing poured acetone in tank based on responses
acetone is bad on rubber seals in things like fuel injectors

The idea of making fuel `more combustable` has been around for a hundred years

update on H2O2 hydrogen generator unit currently under test on 1600cc vtwin bike-average mileage last 2 years- 43mpg
installed unit- first run of 90 miles yielded 52mpg
changed carb jet leaner- 150 mile trip used to turn on the low fuel light
now at 150 trip and showing HALF tank on the guage!! If this keeps up for the rest of the tank- its approx 60MPG!!! from 43,,thats huge,,, and awesome for any big displacement bike with poor mileage (we dream of 50 in most cases) and the car
Definetly more torque- since the explosion power in the cylinder pushes the piston down with greater force= torque
here is the link to unit being tested, http://www.hho2u.com/ read the different sections on tech and customer reviews
this may be a major fuel saver for the TL,, that pays for itself quickly

the idea has been around for decades--its the advances in technology that make it practical and safe these days

Severin

Stupid simple and obvious:

Don't fill up with a full tank of gas.
More gas = More weight to pull around.
Fill up a 1/3 of a tank max and you'll see an increase in mileage.

TLer trash

I heard it was because the Obama administration repealed some of the laws of thermodynamics because gas is so high.

01tl4tl

now if they would just bring the troops home.. instead of shuffling them around from the desert to the mountains, to another desert

repeal laws of thermodynamics--override congress veto!~
Call your Congressman!!

the govt has been testing pure hydrogen fuel cars and liking the idea
Problem is safety- pure stuff is the Hindenburg on 4 wheels
these kits provide an Oxygen molecule with it which acts to stabilize the mix

01tl4tl

gas weighs approx 6.5 pounds per gallon
running the car on the lower half a tank saves 50 pounds
if you are that hyper oriented... without going to better driving skills with stoplights and anticipating whats going on ahead of you...

I leave the spare tire in and tanker a few gallons, because gas always went up 20 minutes before I got to the station for a full tank fill,,as they are happy to tell me~
70 bucks and it wasnt even empty

phee

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I hypermiled my Tl for an entire week once. 550 miles on one tank. It was sweet but not worth all the trouble unless you are broke as fuck (which I was) look on the hypermiling forums. It's mostly about coasting when u see a red and never stop moving the car. Even if u are inching forward towards the next car. You have to allow adequate space before the next car.

Read up on traffic flow control and stay away from contributing to stop and go waves.

darkdeuce

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why does a sound like a flux capacitor to me?

Karanx7

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Because you lack chemical knowledge/experience.

However, I doubt any hydrogen generator uses H2O2, as that is hydrogen peroxide. Using acid just doesn't seem viable. Simple electrolysis would be better, but still unsafe due to raw hydrogen.

Hindenburg on wheels

01tl4tl

thats just the name of one company,,and its HHO2 = 2 hydrogen 1 oxygen molecule
use the link I provided for good tech info, or search internet for `dry cell hydrogen generators`
there are many websites

Note: the method of using an oxygen molecule WITH the hydrogen molecules is what makes it NON Hindenburg..its not running pure stuff... and it makes and uses it in equal proportions--on demand basically, not 30 gallons in a tank in the trunk

hydrogen is extra flammable--makes a bigger explosion in cylinders when a very small amount is correctly mixed with the regular fuel and air,
the more explosion - the more downward force applied to piston= thats what torque comes from/is,,that force from ignition rotating the crankshaft
Anytime you add a fuel octane booster you are trying for the same thing

sent message to company for actual total price for V6 kit with any needed extra parts.....4.39 a gallon for 91 last night and going up every 2 days

01tl4tl

K7 is correct- it uses electrolysis to operate,,runs distilled water with some catalyst in the first batch- then top off its res tank with distilled water as needed,,,weekly,,monthly,, depending on amount driven..no more catalyst to mix in, just water

pacificharrison

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sorry if i went off topic on this but

going from full, to reading exactly half way on the dashboard, i got 160 miles. is this normal? i've been trying to just coast down hills in neutral and be as light footed as possible only hitting v-tech when i need to go up-hill. with my usual driving habits i usually get about 120-130 from full to reading half because i live in an area where i have to go uphill A LOT.

01tl4tl

only use vtech going up hills?!!!
how steep a hill are we talking about? you should be able to downshift as needed
and have plenty of power below the gas guzzler part of the rpm

Im sure being gentle on the throttle will increase mileage