Dyno'ed my 2001 TL today
10-03-2004, 07:14 PM
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Dyno'ed my 2001 TL today
whats up i was at englishtown for K&N Nationals. quiet a tunout, there were a handful of TLs there too, all looked familiar from the site, they had a free dyno my car had 178whp and 166wtrq, not bad for a stock tl, hopefully will break 200 once all the parts laying in my garage are on 
10-03-2004, 07:24 PM
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not bad
10-03-2004, 07:31 PM
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What??
that is crazy, that is Almost 21% loss of power from the engine before hitting the road. That means that my TL on puts 213 WHP at the road. How the hell can I loose 60 HP between the engine and the wheels. Afterall they are like only a few feet apart.
I guess that intake doesnt sound bad after all.
anyways not a good post.
that is crazy, that is Almost 21% loss of power from the engine before hitting the road. That means that my TL on puts 213 WHP at the road. How the hell can I loose 60 HP between the engine and the wheels. Afterall they are like only a few feet apart.
I guess that intake doesnt sound bad after all.
anyways not a good post.
10-03-2004, 08:51 PM
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That must be wrong. My 99 is 225 HP. and it feels like that too becasue I whopped a New Toyota Solara today so badly that the driver almost cried. I have the intake resonator out with K&N filter.
10-03-2004, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MADCAT
That must be wrong. My 99 is 225 HP. and it feels like that too becasue I whopped a New Toyota Solara today so badly that the driver almost cried. I have the intake resonator out with K&N filter.
225 HP is not the same as 225 WHP
HP is crank horsepower, WHP is wheel horsepower (car looses power tru drivetrain)
a TL-P should get anywhere between 170 and 180 WHP. the drivetrain loss is around 20-25%
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Originally Posted by hansgovil
whats up i was at englishtown for K&N Nationals. quiet a tunout, there were a handful of TLs there too, all looked familiar from the site, they had a free dyno my car had 178whp and 166wtrq, not bad for a stock tl, hopefully will break 200 once all the parts laying in my garage are on
10-04-2004, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PDX3.2TL
That is really interesting because i have an 00' tl-P with AEM V1 CAI with Hyper Ground and Voltage systems and i put down 179whp and 178wtrq... I would be interested in what the variables were because i should be putting down wayyyy more horses to the ground, even with a 24% loss due to tranny...
wayyyy more? dont think so a CAI wont give you more than 5 whp and hyperground stuff maybe 2 whp
but his numbers are very good for a stock TL-P!
10-13-2004, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by samkws
that's pretty impressive for a regualr TL
the type S dynoed at 200whp
the type S dynoed at 200whp
If that's the case, a TL-P with: I/H/E/P would produce 190-200 WHP.. more? If that's the case, why do I always read about how much "faster" the TL-S is? Granted, the TL-P needs all the above mentioned mods, to get there, but it's possible w/o a SC. Just want to know!
Thanks guys.
10-13-2004, 06:21 PM
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Just to clarify my thoughts... Per acuratl statement above, a stock TL-P produces 178-180 WHP and per this reply, a stock Type-S produces 200 WHP. So are you guys saying that there is a 20 +/_ WHP difference between models?
If that's the case, a TL-P with: I/H/E/P would produce 190-200 WHP.. more? If that's the case, why do I always read about how much "faster" the TL-S is? Granted, the TL-P needs all the above mentioned mods, to get there, but it's possible w/o a SC. Just want to know!
Thanks guys.
If that's the case, a TL-P with: I/H/E/P would produce 190-200 WHP.. more? If that's the case, why do I always read about how much "faster" the TL-S is? Granted, the TL-P needs all the above mentioned mods, to get there, but it's possible w/o a SC. Just want to know!
Thanks guys.
TL-P 225 HP 180 WHP
Looks like the TL-S would be faster to me......and yes a fully modded TL-P would produce
200 WHP and keep up with a STOCK Type-S, but mod the S and watch him pull away.....
10-13-2004, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckstl
What? TL type S 260 HP.....200 WHP
TL-P 225 HP 180 WHP
Looks like the TL-S would be faster to me......and yes a fully modded TL-P would produce
200 WHP and keep up with a STOCK Type-S, but mod the S and watch him pull away.....
TL-P 225 HP 180 WHP
Looks like the TL-S would be faster to me......and yes a fully modded TL-P would produce
200 WHP and keep up with a STOCK Type-S, but mod the S and watch him pull away.....
a TL-P with i/h/e/p will be faster than a TL-S on the highway.
but yeah mod the TL-S and woooooooot he's gone
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That's exactly my point... per all the comparison threads (TL-P vs. TL-S) I've read, some members keep stating that the TL-P would "never" be as fast as the TL-S... and obviously that's not true. But like you guys stated, a TL-S with the same mods, will indeed pull away. But then again, it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that out.... 
Thanks your input guys!
Thanks your input guys!
10-13-2004, 10:16 PM
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200 whp is what a Type S puts down?
Excellent, because my '97 puts down 202 whp
Excellent, because my '97 puts down 202 whp
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Originally Posted by big mike 13
anyone know what a G35 coupe puts to its wheels??
thanks for asking...I was bored so after a little google searching I found this...
http://www.dynoperformance.com/searc...ils.php?ID=493
Interesting that they assume a 16% drivetrain loss....seems that our TL's face <20% loss for the most part.
edit...well looks like I forgot it was a 6 speed...then a 16% loss does make sense
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173 whp on the average (23% Loss) for the TL
214 whp on the average (23% Loss) for the TL-S
an average diference of 41 ponies... compared to the 35 at the crank...
Right?
214 whp on the average (23% Loss) for the TL-S
an average diference of 41 ponies... compared to the 35 at the crank...
Right?
10-14-2004, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hansgovil
whats up i was at englishtown for K&N Nationals. quiet a tunout, there were a handful of TLs there too, all looked familiar from the site, they had a free dyno my car had 178whp and 166wtrq, not bad for a stock tl, hopefully will break 200 once all the parts laying in my garage are on
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/1999TLplot.pdf
The only thing I can think of why your stock TL has better results than Comptech is if the free dyno you got was on a different kind of dyno, and hence your WHP/TQ is higher than Comptech's modded TL. Do you know if your TL was dynoed on a Dynojet or not?
10-14-2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by @cUr@-TL
a TL-P should get anywhere between 170 and 180 WHP. the drivetrain loss is around 20-25%
Actual drivetrain loss is actually a little higher, around 25-30%
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Originally Posted by patrick
Justin:
Actual drivetrain loss is actually a little higher, around 25-30%
Actual drivetrain loss is actually a little higher, around 25-30%
you sure? it's the first time i hear about 30%... always around 22-25%...
a 260hp TL-S puts down 200HP.. 200/260 = 0.77 so 23%
a 225hp TL-P puts down 175HP.. 175/225 = 0.77 so 23%
the percentage can vary a little bit from one car to another tho..
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Originally Posted by @cUr@-TL
you sure? it's the first time i hear about 30%... always around 22-25%...
a 260hp TL-S puts down 200HP.. 200/260 = 0.77 so 23%
a 225hp TL-P puts down 175HP.. 175/225 = 0.77 so 23%
the percentage can vary a little bit from one car to another tho..
a 260hp TL-S puts down 200HP.. 200/260 = 0.77 so 23%
a 225hp TL-P puts down 175HP.. 175/225 = 0.77 so 23%
the percentage can vary a little bit from one car to another tho..
Comptech's stock '99 TL-P is 164.8 WHP (as per Comptech's dyno)
Here's how I calculate it: 225 HP TL-P x 27% loss = 60.75
225 - 60.75 = 164.25 WHP (and this number is quite comparable to what Comptech's stock TL-P dynoes at).
If you look at my dyno results, I got 188.8 WHP and 185.9 TQ (and that's with mods.). If stock TL-P were to put down 175 HP, I'd be pretty pissed if I only made 13.80 WHP (188.8 - 175 = 13.80). Gains from intake/headers/TB should be more than that, don't you think?
That's why I question the original poster regarding his stock dyno results. It seems too high. And the only thing I can think of is that his TL wasn't dynoed on a Dynojet (perhaps not all dynos are created or tuned equally). But you are right - the percentage loss can vary from car to car.
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Originally Posted by @cUr@-TL
you sure? it's the first time i hear about 30%... always around 22-25%...
a 260hp TL-S puts down 200HP.. 200/260 = 0.77 so 23%
a 225hp TL-P puts down 175HP.. 175/225 = 0.77 so 23%
the percentage can vary a little bit from one car to another tho..
a 260hp TL-S puts down 200HP.. 200/260 = 0.77 so 23%
a 225hp TL-P puts down 175HP.. 175/225 = 0.77 so 23%
the percentage can vary a little bit from one car to another tho..
I agree, I've never heard of a 30% loss...MAYBE on an AWD car, but not FWD or RWD.
On the CL board, most stock CLS's dyno around 200hp on a dynojet. Remember, all dynos are different. Even the same dyno on different days (temp/moisture changes) will give different results. Dyno's are for tuning so you can gauge whether or not a mod gave you a gain or loss in power.
My car dyno'd 240whp w/ the blower and high boost pulley. That was on a Mustang dyno. Another board member is getting over 280whp with the EXACT same setup, but on a dynojet. My 1/4 mile trap of 105mph indicates whp closer to the 280 than my dyno'd 240.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Cl-S
I agree, I've never heard of a 30% loss...MAYBE on an AWD car, but not FWD or RWD.
On the CL board, most stock CLS's dyno around 200hp on a dynojet. Remember, all dynos are different. Even the same dyno on different days (temp/moisture changes) will give different results. Dyno's are for tuning so you can gauge whether or not a mod gave you a gain or loss in power.
My car dyno'd 240whp w/ the blower and high boost pulley. That was on a Mustang dyno. Another board member is getting over 280whp with the EXACT same setup, but on a dynojet. My 1/4 mile trap of 105mph indicates whp closer to the 280 than my dyno'd 240.
On the CL board, most stock CLS's dyno around 200hp on a dynojet. Remember, all dynos are different. Even the same dyno on different days (temp/moisture changes) will give different results. Dyno's are for tuning so you can gauge whether or not a mod gave you a gain or loss in power.
My car dyno'd 240whp w/ the blower and high boost pulley. That was on a Mustang dyno. Another board member is getting over 280whp with the EXACT same setup, but on a dynojet. My 1/4 mile trap of 105mph indicates whp closer to the 280 than my dyno'd 240.
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Originally Posted by @cUr@-TL
225 HP is not the same as 225 WHP
HP is crank horsepower, WHP is wheel horsepower (car looses power tru drivetrain)
a TL-P should get anywhere between 170 and 180 WHP. the drivetrain loss is around 20-25%
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HP is crank horsepower, WHP is wheel horsepower (car looses power tru drivetrain)
a TL-P should get anywhere between 170 and 180 WHP. the drivetrain loss is around 20-25%
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You are correct. Roughly 25% loss.
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Originally Posted by patrick
Perhaps you are correct. But I just report what I've been told regarding drivetrain loss from a reputable dyno shop. Having said that, I would agree with you that different dynos give different results. This would explain a lot of the variances between similar modded TLs. If that's the case, then if I were to dyno my TL that some of you guys are using (like the one the orignal poster used), I would probably push over 200 WHP with my current mods.
Many bone stock CL-S's dyno'd around 195 whp.
260 - 25% = 195
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