Consumer reports say TL is 'da bomb
11-08-2002, 04:26 PM
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Consumer reports say TL is 'da bomb
So after replacing your tranny for the 3rd time did you know you are driving one of the most reliable cars on the road?
"Ranking among the most reliable upscale sedans were the Lexus IS300 and the Acura TL."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/832385.asp?0dm=C1AKB
"Ranking among the most reliable upscale sedans were the Lexus IS300 and the Acura TL."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/832385.asp?0dm=C1AKB
11-08-2002, 10:30 PM
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Hmph. Must've been judging the 2001 models rather than 2002. Did they take into account the TL-S tranny failures? Likely not.
Still, my car has been extremely reliable and I continue to be happy with it.
Still, my car has been extremely reliable and I continue to be happy with it.
11-09-2002, 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by TL
They must have gathered their data before "honda" admitted to their transmission problems. That makes one wonder how accurate the "consumer" reports are...
They must have gathered their data before "honda" admitted to their transmission problems. That makes one wonder how accurate the "consumer" reports are...
Just struck me as funny, that's all...
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11-09-2002, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by neuronbob
Hmph. Must've been judging the 2001 models rather than 2002. Did they take into account the TL-S tranny failures? Likely not.
Hmph. Must've been judging the 2001 models rather than 2002. Did they take into account the TL-S tranny failures? Likely not.
Makes me wonder what the latest number is in tranny failures (percentage).
11-09-2002, 09:11 PM
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Well I do hope their results are true as I also have a TL. Nonetheless, it seems odd that the transmission problems seem to have had very little if any affect on their rating of the TL's reliablility. Given the fact that Honda has admitted to the problem, and that it is clearly evident on online forums such as this one...I found it hard not to make a sarcastic comment on consumer reports.
Also keep in mind that the tranmission is a major component, so it should definitely have some impact on the TL's rating.
Also keep in mind that the tranmission is a major component, so it should definitely have some impact on the TL's rating.
Originally posted by vperkins2
Ha, ha! You crack me up! First you make an unsubstantiated guess as to when they gathered their data... then you "dis" their accuracy!
Just struck me as funny, that's all...
V.
Ha, ha! You crack me up! First you make an unsubstantiated guess as to when they gathered their data... then you "dis" their accuracy!
Just struck me as funny, that's all...
V.
11-09-2002, 11:15 PM
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Re: Consumer reports say TL is 'da bomb
Originally posted by doopstr
So after replacing your tranny for the 3rd time did you know you are driving one of the most reliable cars on the road?
"Ranking among the most reliable upscale sedans were the Lexus IS300 and the Acura TL."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/832385.asp?0dm=C1AKB
So after replacing your tranny for the 3rd time did you know you are driving one of the most reliable cars on the road?
"Ranking among the most reliable upscale sedans were the Lexus IS300 and the Acura TL."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/832385.asp?0dm=C1AKB
you're the funniest dude in the world: "So after replacing your tranny for the 3rd time did you know you are driving one of the most reliable cars on the road?"My '01 AV6 with 64000km seems just fine with its original tranny. 64000km =40000mi?
11-10-2002, 02:57 AM
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Consumer Reports sucks, sadly. The way they collect information is flawed (they mailed out like 300,000 cards to subscribers about their cars and cars they know of to get the reliablity tests done), they are known to pander to their advertisers (so the people who advertise more, get a better rating).
I think the TL is a reliable car but I wouldn't read Consumer Reports to find that out... I'd pick up an Autoweek, C&D, or Road and Track to read bout it. It's generally a better idea to go to specialty magazines for products you wanna buy... There are even magazines and websites on VACUUMS! Don't read CR they are satan
I think the TL is a reliable car but I wouldn't read Consumer Reports to find that out... I'd pick up an Autoweek, C&D, or Road and Track to read bout it. It's generally a better idea to go to specialty magazines for products you wanna buy... There are even magazines and websites on VACUUMS! Don't read CR they are satan
11-10-2002, 07:37 AM
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Evidently you have not read a CR as they accept no advertising, unlike the magazine you quote which do accept advertising.
Originally posted by Hercules
Consumer Reports sucks, sadly. The way they collect information is flawed (they mailed out like 300,000 cards to subscribers about their cars and cars they know of to get the reliablity tests done), they are known to pander to their advertisers (so the people who advertise more, get a better rating).
I think the TL is a reliable car but I wouldn't read Consumer Reports to find that out... I'd pick up an Autoweek, C&D, or Road and Track to read bout it. It's generally a better idea to go to specialty magazines for products you wanna buy... There are even magazines and websites on VACUUMS! Don't read CR they are satan
Consumer Reports sucks, sadly. The way they collect information is flawed (they mailed out like 300,000 cards to subscribers about their cars and cars they know of to get the reliablity tests done), they are known to pander to their advertisers (so the people who advertise more, get a better rating).
I think the TL is a reliable car but I wouldn't read Consumer Reports to find that out... I'd pick up an Autoweek, C&D, or Road and Track to read bout it. It's generally a better idea to go to specialty magazines for products you wanna buy... There are even magazines and websites on VACUUMS! Don't read CR they are satan
11-10-2002, 11:10 AM
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Actually the CR method of collecting data (I'm a member) usually overreports problems-people who are pissed off are more likely to fill out the form and mail it back.
11-10-2002, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by dj5
Evidently you have not read a CR as they accept no advertising, unlike the magazine you quote which do accept advertising.
Evidently you have not read a CR as they accept no advertising, unlike the magazine you quote which do accept advertising.
11-10-2002, 07:49 PM
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CR reliability ratings
I've been a CR member for at least a dozen years. They accept no advertising. They purchase the products they test the same way we do (they walk into a store or dealership and haggle for the best price they can get without ever revealing that they work for CR).
The reliability ratings are actual reports by CR members like me (everyone who subscribes to their magazine) based on the items we actually own (not just that we've heard about).
If I recall correctly, an "above average" rating for reliability is given when less than 2.5% of reporting owners have had a serious problem with that particular component. Acura sells a lot of TL's and a lot of TL's have had transmission failures, but apparently it's less than 2.5% of the owners of TL's who are also members of CR.
A 2.5% transmission failure rate is much higher than it should be, but, overall, TL's are still much more reliable than the average car.
-J.P.
The reliability ratings are actual reports by CR members like me (everyone who subscribes to their magazine) based on the items we actually own (not just that we've heard about).
If I recall correctly, an "above average" rating for reliability is given when less than 2.5% of reporting owners have had a serious problem with that particular component. Acura sells a lot of TL's and a lot of TL's have had transmission failures, but apparently it's less than 2.5% of the owners of TL's who are also members of CR.
A 2.5% transmission failure rate is much higher than it should be, but, overall, TL's are still much more reliable than the average car.
-J.P.
11-10-2002, 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by dj5
Evidently you have not read a CR as they accept no advertising, unlike the magazine you quote which do accept advertising.
Evidently you have not read a CR as they accept no advertising, unlike the magazine you quote which do accept advertising.
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