acatmpf

Hello everyone, this is my very first post and this question might be dumb. But I just purchased a 2002 TLS salvage title wiht 43k, I know which dealer it was originally from, and i was just wondering if it would still be under coverage, because the car is salvage (got hit from the side door), does the warranty diminish once it has been in an accident? thx for any valuable feedback in advance (positive or negative). this is by far one of the most helpful forum that I've experienced.

fsttyms1

Does it have a salvaged title or was it just in a accident?? If it has a salvaged title the warranty is voided

acatmpf

it has a savage title, unfortunately. Thanks for the headsup, now I dont have to go in the dealer asking stupid questions.

fsttyms1

You can try, but they dont have to cover it

youngBuk

hey so with that salvage title are you able to get insurance on it or u gonna take it in the dmv and get it a rebuilt title?

acatmpf

the title will stay salvage, and I can still get insurance for it, I dont think there is goign should be a major different between a salvage and a clear title when it comes to the cost of insurance.

wmah523

so i guess the tranny warranty for a salveged TL would void also? another word, if a salveged TL has tranny failure, it's gonna b at ya own expense?

DarkBlue

With a salvage title, everthing related to the warranty is voided.
The manufacturer and the dealership can not (and most likely will not) cover anything.

They will run your vin# and it will show up as salvage.
You might be able to purchase an aftermarket warranty, but with the way those companies communicate with each other with regard to repair claims, that might not be possible either.

vidhartha

i dunno, i also have one with a salvage title, yet the dealer did the oil jet recall for free, they still have to do all safety recalls as if its under warranty even with salvage title.

fsttyms1

but the tranny warranty and faillure isnt under the recall, so no they wont be replacing trannies for free.

Trojanman750

since you bought it from a dealer it should have a limited 12month 12k warranty

you could always try for tranny replacement thogh. i would never pay the money untill i had exhausted the acura client service phone lines

acatmpf

I thought they will still have to cover the tranny and do the inspection for free, since its a safetly issue that is at fault on their part. I will bring it in the dealer in about 4 days, I will let you guys know how it went

acatmpf

Recall Date:
APR 15, 2004
Summary:
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
Consequence:
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000 MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
Potential Units Affected:
1099796
Notes:
AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO. P30/P31

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my theory is that even if the title is salvage, they still have the responsibility to make sure the tranny wont cause an accident.

03CoupeV6

Okay now read that carefully, acatmpf. Reading comprehension is of utmost importance here.

Kris said that transmission replacement was not what the recall was about, and he is correct. They only replaced the transmission for free under recall if it had less than 15k miles and was showing heat damage. The car in question has 43k miles.

The transmission warranty was just a warranty enhancement, now voided by a salvage title.

You're entitled to an oil jet kit, but no warranty of any sort.

03CoupeV6

BTW: I've always wondered what the "S" in Type-S stood for. Now I know. It stands for Savage, right? It's a savage beast with it's 260hp!

J/k with you about the typo in the title of the thread.

optiq

I WENT THROUGH THIS. I BOUGHT A TYPE S witha rebuilt title. acura did not honor the warranty it was VOID. some light at the end of the tunnel.. if your tranny fails due to the 2nd gear being chipped or broken you will get a free tranny replacement no matter what. in my case it was the 3rd gear clutch pack , which was only covered by the warranty extention which was void for me. but the 2nd gear recall is for any tl

03CoupeV6

It is much more likely to fail due to 3rd gear clutchpacks than it is to fail due to 2nd gear chipping or breaking.. that's why they install the oil jet kit, which is the recall. It would be best to not buy a TL with a salvage title.

acatmpf

wow....i really hope this wont be the case for my car....Did you replaced your tranny? and if you did, how much did it cost if you dont mind me asking(just in case for future reference.)

TOo LATE =X....on the bright side...the person i am buying it from is someone of trustworthy...so if anything do happen....he "said" he will take care of it for certain. =X

fsttyms1

fsttyms1

Odds are it is. There is only a 1-2% failure rate of the 2nd gear shaft on the TL. No one here that any of us know of has had that failure yet. We all have had the 3rd gear clutch pack fail.
Price for a rebuilt are 2-3500 depending on where you go, or 4500+ fora new one thru acura

acatmpf

wow in that case, I will be screwed....hard. I have a 2000 TL(clean) with 80000, and just bought a 2002 TLS (salvage) with 43000. I love my 2000 tl, that is why I bought another tl with navi...Never realize the tranny problem effected so many acura owners until i joined this forum recently....this is double bad news for MEe.

03CoupeV6

Well you can't say you weren't heavily warned. Hope he gave you lots of KY Jelly with your purchase of a salvage TL-S.

whitcre

i had a 2000tl with salvage title and transmission was replaced under warranty with 75000 miles on car

fsttyms1

Who did you get into bed with at acura Acura doesnt have to cover or honor warranty on a salvaged title. You got a good dealer!

zibadun

Is salvage title reported to the manufacturer? If not, I wonder if dealerships routinely run a title check when doing repair work. I don't know. If not and you "forget" to tell them upfront that you have a salvage you might get away with it. It's amazing how quickly insurance companies trash perfectly repairable cars.

whatwasthat

it probably has a salvage title cause the tranny failed and caused an accident...

acatmpf

I talked to the service manager at a local acura dealer, and he said he would call the main board and see what kind of service they can provide for me "if" my tranny does fail.

I am relief to hear someone else in a similar situation got their tranny replace with a salvage title.

whitcre

i took my car in cause the transmission was shifting hard. i did not say anything about recall. i called back 3 days later and they told me the transmission had been replaced free of charge. im fairly sure they would have to get approval from acura for a repair this major so they would surely know it had a salvage title.

Type34

Man there's some misinformation flying through this thread. Acatmph, you stated, "the person i am buying it from is someone trustworthy...he 'said' he will take care of it for certain". This means the following:

1) If you're still "buying" it, you have not officially purchased the vehicle.
2) He is a well-known mechanic in your area and has a trustworthy reputation.

Considering you already have a fully functional TL, I strongly suggest saving your money and steering clear of this transaction. Assuming #1, the transaction is not complete and no money has exchanged hands. If you decide to go along with the purchase, and #2 is correct (hopefully), then get a commitment in writing. If the mechanic has a good reputation, then he's going to want to protect that reputation. If he doesn't have a reputation, then how do you know he's trustworthy? Most guys want to get rid of a salvage vehicle asap and wipe their hands of the situation.

Some more negatives on salvage titles: there's a chance your insurance company will refuse to insure the vehicle and if they do offer coverage, it will be higher than the usual TL-S rate. A salvage is a higher risk and rates are adjusted accordingly.

Even more important, some states, such as Connecticut, will not register a salvage vehicle. There are loopholes however, but at the very least, most states require a thorough examination prior to registering a salvage vehicle. If there any stolen parts on the vehicle during this inspection, the vehicle will be confiscated. If the vehicle passes inspection, you're charged extra fees for the inspection and titling of a salvage vehicle.

I don't see the benefits of salvage ownership, the amount of money saved up front is less than extra insurance costs, registration fees, headaches, and further headaches when trying to sell the vehicle down the road.

sharontha

Actually my first car(almost 11 yrs ago) was a 92' Accord which had a salvage title due to a flood. I remember i took it in a few times for minor warrenty work and the dealer never asked me anything nor did i volunteer any info. The car had about 25K miles when i first got it.

acatmpf

The reason why i said he is a good mechanic is because this is the third car I've purchased a car from him, and nothing had ever been wrong with any of those cars. The car he usually picks have low miles and the collusion point usually occurs in the rear end or side door or the cars. I already purchased the car, and took it in to the DMV for registration today, all they did were to make sure that the car wasnt using any stolen parts as a replacement for the damaged area. Got my insurance at farmers today too, 680/ 6 months full coverage. I will take some pictures of the car when it gets sunny.

Type_S

iTrader: (1)

I have a theory, which could be relate to this warranty issue and salvage titles. My father had a 98 Integra that had a salvage title from NJ. We live in NY, so once he received the new title from DMV when registered it still says salvage.

When he decided to trade the car in for a new TL, we went to a lot of Acura dealers in NJ, All of them gave him different price quotes because the car had a salvage title. Offering him only $2,000 at most to as low as $500. He was about to give up on trading the car, and we decide to go to a Acura dealer in NY. When they told him ther e were going to give him $5,000 for the car , he was shocked. They didn't even mention that the car had a salvage title. It's wierd, cause on the title it says salvage and they didn't even care.

So I'm assuming, if you purchased the car in one state, maybe the fact that having a salvage title won't apply towards voiding the warranty in another.

Amoxi

What about doing an engine swap? The only CARB regs I know of for an engine swap is that it has to be the same year or newer, but that's for emissions standards. Would the salvage title follow the transplanted engine? I'd look into buying just the engine out of the TL-S if it doesn't.

MikePA

The title is connected to a VIN, not an engine.

AcuraBuddy

So down the end if you have a Salvage Title, they will still install the oil jet cooler for the 3rd gear but your transmission warranty is definetly voided? I remember calling up Acura Client services and they said that all warranties are voided because of a Title even the OPDS one. I guess I ll have to ask Paragon Acura in NY to see if they will do it.