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Alarm Question and Confusion.. need experts! Viper vs Clifford!!

Ok guys, its been a while since I posted here but I'm in a dillema of which alarm to get. I narrowed it down to the Viper 791xv and Clifford Matrix 3.5. The price difference is the Clifford is $75 more. Now I know the main diff is the blue vs. carbon fiber remotes, but what else? Range? Expandability? Quality? (They are both made by DEI). I like the Carbon Fiber remote, so is it better that I just get the Viper 791 and purchase another carbon fiber remote and sell the blue LCD one on ebay?

Help me please!!
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Oh and also, the only things I want to add into the alarm are the Window Roll Ups, Sunroof One Touch, Glass Sensor, Extra siren w/ battery backup, and pin switches. Hopefully the viper 791 will accomodate this w/ no problem.

Now if anyone is interested, a couple of us TL's in NY area are doing it in Long Island and I've managed to get a decent price, well the cheapest I found atleast.

791 Viper Remote Start Installed: $325
Clifford Matrix 3.5 Remote Start Installed: $400

Window Modules auto up and down + Install (2x530T's) $100

Let me knwo if you think this is good pricing.
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791 and 3.5 are the same alarm. I think Clifford has the nice LED indicator. $325 is a good price. I think I paid 375 for it. Dont forget you need the module for the remote start. Maybe that will boost it up to 375.
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Originally Posted by Bxscig
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791 Viper Remote Start Installed: $325
Clifford Matrix 3.5 Remote Start Installed: $400

Window Modules auto up and down + Install (2x530T's) $100

Let me knwo if you think this is good pricing.

do these prices include the alarm or just installation costs???
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do these prices include the alarm or just installation costs???
Should be the alarm and installation. Alarm itself is like 150-200 on ebay.
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I think that is an excellent price for either alarm. I got the 791 w/o remote start and I paid that price.
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if that does include alarm and installation, it seems like a great price. i went around getting quotes for installation for like $300 alone in LI...
let me know, my cousin might be interested as well. thanks!
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They are both the same unit, except for the additional cost of the carbon fiber remote. I would $10 extra for the Clifford.
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im interested at doing this. where is the shop?
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Originally Posted by big mike 13
if that does include alarm and installation, it seems like a great price. i went around getting quotes for installation for like $300 alone in LI...
let me know, my cousin might be interested as well. thanks!
What did it include? $300 is a great price.
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^^not sure?? just to install it i guess... what else is there to be included?
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remote starter, required a module for the computer. Cause of the chip in the key.
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It is the alarm + installation for those prices... this place is in LI... trying to find some other prices, but I want to know the difference between the two. I heard that there are subtle differences between the two.
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all they will need to do is embedd a valet key, and they can do the remote starter without a problem
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all they will need to do is embedd a valet key, and they can do the remote starter without a problem
Yea, There is another module that you dont need to add a valet key. Just program the module with key signal.
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Bxscig... i would be down for that price then....
is this place reputable and where in LI??

my cousin is also interested but he has a manual car, do yu know if that place will do it for him??? thanks a lot!
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a remote starter for a manual tranny? are you serious??!?!!!?!?!?!?! thats nutty!
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Originally Posted by big mike 13
Bxscig... i would be down for that price then....
is this place reputable and where in LI??

my cousin is also interested but he has a manual car, do yu know if that place will do it for him??? thanks a lot!
Will have to pass all this thru him. Reputable? I dont really know, I am going over there Saturday to see and check them out.
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Remote starter in a manual is possible, but wouldnt advise it. Just incase if you leave it in gear.
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I will sell you the viper 791vx with warranty for 200$, Brand new not refurbished
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all i have to say is when shopping for an alarm system, look for shops that takes time and install them well, and not those shops where installer get paid by the car that they do. because all they care about is get your car out as soon as they can and use your car to move product by selling at a lower price, those people don't care about protecting your car.
a good install example, mines:



a bad install example: (sorry ArN 2000 tl, it bothers me someone did this to your car)


the alarm's purpose is to protect it from someone stealing, but if all the wires are the there for anyone to look up and see, is not doing its job, a good alarm is where all or most wires are hidden especially the unit, best is if no one could tell that is there.

my alarm could do the following, giving you guys idea on what it can do, most name brands could do these features, like i said before brand doesn't matter much. install is.....
hood protection
doors protection
trunk protection
ignition protection
starter kill
dual stage impact sensor
dual stage radar sensor
piezo siren
honk horn (warning)
main siren hidden (actually everything)
keyless entry
trunk release
memory seats
headlights activiation
remote start
domelight survilance
bright leds on headlights and taillights plus stock location

my
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Ok... I'm going to go there tommorow to speak to the guy. I need to know what people what additional things people want to put in their cars.. so I can get an idea. And from what I've spoken to this guy he seems very reputable. Installer own an Acura Integra GSR i believe so has some knowledge of Acura's.

This is what I'm planning on getting done on my TL..

Clifford 3.5 Matrix Alarm w/ Remote Start
4 Windows One Touch
Battery Back up Siren
Glass Sensor Shock
Pin Switches under the hood for HID theft detterant.

I will also price this out with the Viper as well for those who want to go that route. If anyone else wants other things post up now.
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Also one more price correction up above, the DEI 530 are 100 per 2 windows so 200 for all 4, but I'm going to try to get a package deal so hang tight. And when the prices are final, people interested will have one week to go and drop off a $100 deposit to get in on this deal.
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as i really dont know much about alarms at all... what are the extra options you can get??
i just want to basically protect my HIDs at minimal and also my system...
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Originally Posted by yunginTL
I will sell you the viper 791vx with warranty for 200$, Brand new not refurbished
Ebay selling it for 189 in Queens NY. Unless people have someone to do the installation or doing it themselves it most likely won't make sense to buy the alarm seperate and get it installed seperate, I researched and came to this conclusion.
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Oh and also, the only things I want to add into the alarm are the Window Roll Ups, Sunroof One Touch, Glass Sensor, Extra siren w/ battery backup, and pin switches. Hopefully the viper 791 will accomodate this w/ no problem.

Now if anyone is interested, a couple of us TL's in NY area are doing it in Long Island and I've managed to get a decent price, well the cheapest I found atleast.

791 Viper Remote Start Installed: $325
Clifford Matrix 3.5 Remote Start Installed: $400

Window Modules auto up and down + Install (2x530T's) $100

Let me knwo if you think this is good pricing.

WOW THATS ALOT!!!!!!! i just got my clifford matrix RS3 installed monday.... 100 bucks... FULL INSTALL WITH REMOTE START... paid only 143 for alarm.....hehe.. (DISCOUNT AT BEST BUY!! I LOVE WORKIN THERE)... but yea..... its really worth it.... i love the alarm.. you can add alot of extra inputs.. i added the trunk switch. to notify me if my trunk is opened............ the viper is just an upgraded version to the clifford....they are really the same thing though.. no major differences.. just the remotelooks diff!!........ but the alarm is really worth it........
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I was also looking into the Viper....what do you guys think of the Prestige 996? Its like $75 cheaper.
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nore456 .. benefits of working there man. I use to work for Circuit and I remember paying next to nothign when I worked there and boy do I miss it. LoL
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Alright, I got prices, I'll try to put them up in a little, maybe in a different thread. This guy is doing these prices only to get himself some customers and some clientale, and I saw the shop, its not shady, it looks legit, and the guys are very knowledgeable. Plus I told them its for guys on the forum who are meticulous about their cars and he completely understands.

I also showed that picture of ARN's car bad installation and he said he's seen worse, and his installation will look nothing close to that. It will be better than both those pictures we saw. He also said, he would Fuk around with our cars, since if he does a bad job, his reputation will be shot. I'm sure you guys will like the prices.
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Hey Everyone. I've been the one getting the prices here in Long Island. Bxscig, myself and NYDesi80 were all looking into the same alarm.. and I've priced it out at 4 different audio/alarm places here in Long Island. The best price I've gotten was $600.

This $600 includes the Clifford Matrix 3.5, 2 530T modules for both front and rear window rollup/down, as well as installation. I called up Main Street Stereo in Sayville, and they don't even carry the Clifford (They recommended the Viper 791). I also called SoundTrax in Centereach (same deal, no Clifford, but recommended the same Viper). I called Savage Autosports in Medford, and they wanted $900 for the Clifford Matrix and the 530T's. That price was outrageous.

The place I got the price of the $600 is from a reputable place in Long Island that I've had my auto start put in from - plus they've been around for a long time. I had the auto start put in 2 years ago, so it's basically going to be a waste, since the Clifford Matrix has the autostart, so I will remove the old one.

If there is anyone else interested, please let me know. If we bring him a $hit load of cars, who knows what he will throw in.

Now that $600 did not include the glass sensor or backup battery/siren. I'm sure that's extra.. but one thing at a time.

Please let me know if anyone else is interested. Raj (NYDesi80) and I are still pricing it out at more shops here in Long Island and in Queens.

Hit me up w/a PM if interested. Thanks.
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local shops in Bklyn ask for 600-650 for what you've listed.
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ebay doesn't carry warranty and for that same model i just got a deal going for $189 as well
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The guy where i did my alarm, and a couple of other cars as well He did a great job. Fair pricing. I've check all the whole area, he was the cheapest.

Call him to get a quote.
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thats a scary area, lol.
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It isnt that bad there.
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I can guarantee you pricing will be good once I confirm it with the owner tommorow. Then, I will have NYDesi80, ItlMuslNYC, Bxscig, just double check with more stores to see if the price can be beat, but I would doubt it. I should have pricing hopefully tommorow.

In the meantime guys, please post this in other forums, and see to get more people. The more the cheaper obviously. Maybe even in the 3rd Gen forum.
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