Check out this list that some other member on here listed earlier. The TL is doing great, ranked #3 from a list of 178.

However the Acura CL is listed as #99. They are both built in the same factories in Ohio I believe, but why such a difference between the 2?

Maybe the list is no good, but it also shows you that even some of the most expensive cars whether made in the US, Japan or Germany still have quality issues to contend with. I guess you just have to be lucky and play the odds. Lexus is still king in terms of reliability and quality.

J.D. Power 2001 Initial Quality Survey
Problems Per 100 Vehicles By Model
Total Industry 147
1 Lexus LS430 58
2 Lexus ES300 73
3 Acura TL 76
4 Jaguar XK Cpe/Conv 81
5 Lexus RX 300 85
6 Toyota Avalon 87
7 Toyota Tundra 91
8 BMW 7 Series 92
8 Saab 9-5 Sdn/Wgn 92
10 BMW 5 Series (Total) 94
11 Jaguar XJ Sedan 95
11 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 95
13 Lexus GS Sedan 96
14 Dodge Intrepid 99
15 BMW 3 Series (Total) 101
15 Chrysler LHS 101
15 Toyota Sienna 101
18 Lexus LX 470 102
19 Infiniti I30 103
20 Mercedes-Benz S-Class 104
20 Toyota Corolla 104


22 Cadillac DeVille 108
23 Honda Accord (Total) 109
23 Toyota Prius 109
25 Chevrolet Impala 110
25 Lexus IS 300 110
27 Chrysler Concorde 111
28 Nissan Maxima 113
28 Toyota Camry (Total) 113
30 Buick Regal 115
30 Chevrolet Corvette Cpe/Conv 115
30 Honda CR-V 115
33 Acura Integra (Total) 116
33 Chrysler Sebring Sdn/Conv (Total) 116
33 Lincoln Town Car 116
36 Buick Century 118
36 Buick LeSabre 118
38 Honda S2000 119
38 Porsche Boxster 119
38 Toyota ECHO Sdn/Cpe 119


41 Jaguar S-Type Sedan 121
42 Chevrolet Prizm 122
43 Audi A4/S4 Sdn/Avant 123
44 Chrysler PT Cruiser 124
45 Ford Expedition 129
45 Ford Taurus Sdn/Wgn 129
45 Saturn L Series (Total) 129
48 Nissan Altima 130
49 Honda Odyssey 132
49 Volvo S60 132
51 Nissan Pathfinder 133
52 Mercury Grand Marquis 134
53 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 135
53 Mercury Sable Sdn/Wgn 135
55 Chevrolet Suburban 136
55 Dodge Neon 136
57 Ford F-Series LD (Total) 137
57 Volvo S80 137
59 Jeep Grand Cherokee 138
59 Mazda Miata 138
59 Toyota 4Runner 138


63 Chevrolet Tahoe 139
64 Infiniti QX4 140
64 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class 140
64 Mercury Mountaineer 140
64 Toyota Celica 140
68 Ford Crown Victoria 141
68 GMC Yukon 141
68 Saab 9-3 (Total) 141
68 Toyota Land Cruiser 141
72 Cadillac Catera 142
72 Toyota MR2 Spyder 142
72 Toyota Sequoia 142
75 Ford F-250 Super Duty 143
76 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD/3500 144
76 Jeep Wrangler 144
76 Saturn S Series (Total) 144
76 Subaru Outback Sport 144


80 BMW Z3 (Total) 145
80 Lincoln Navigator 145
80 Mercedes-Benz C-Class 145
80 Mitsubishi Mirage (Total) 145
84 Dodge Stratus Sedan 146
84 GMC Sonoma 146
84 Pontiac Grand Prix (Total) 146
87 GMC Sierra 2500HD/3500 147
87 Nissan Sentra 147
89 Audi A6 Sdn/Avant 148
89 Honda Prelude 148
89 Oldsmobile Alero Sdn/Cpe 148
92 Audi TT Cpe/Rdstr 149
92 Chrysler 300M 149
94 Chevrolet Blazer 150
94 Infiniti G20 150
94 Pontiac Grand Am (Total) 150
97 Plymouth Neon 151
97 Subaru Legacy Sdn/Wgn 151
99 Acura CL 152
99 Cadillac Seville 152
99 GMC Sierra 1500/2500 152
99 GMC Yukon XL 152
99 Volvo V70/V70 Cross Country 152

104 Chevrolet Silverado 1500/2500 153
104 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class 153
104 Volkswagen Beetle 153
107 Chevrolet S-10 Pickup 154
107 Oldsmobile Bravada 154
107 Toyota Tacoma 154
110 Mazda 626 155
111 Ford Econoline/E-Series 156
112 Buick Park Avenue 158
112 Chevrolet Camaro Cpe/Conv 158
114 Acura MDX 160
114 GMC Jimmy 160
114 Mazda B-Series 160
114 Oldsmobile Intrigue 160
118 Audi allroad Quattro 161
118 Chrysler Voyager 161
118 Dodge Ram Pickup 2500/3500 161

121 Chevrolet Cavalier (Total) 162
122 Chrysler Town & Country 163
122 Dodge Durango 163
122 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 163
125 Ford Focus Sdn/Wgn/Hbk 164
125 Porsche 911 Cpe/Conv 164
125 Volkswagen Golf 164
128 Cadillac Eldorado 165
128 Dodge Caravan 165
128 Mitsubishi Galant 165
128 Volkswagen Jetta 165
132 Ford Excursion 166
132 Nissan Quest 166
134 Ford Mustang Cpe/Conv 167
134 Mitsubishi Montero 167
134 Pontiac Sunfire Sdn/Cpe 167
134 Volvo S40 167
138 Chrysler Sebring Coupe 168
138 Ford Ranger 168
138 Lincoln Continental 168
138 Lincoln LS 168
138 Mitsubishi Montero Sport 168
138 Volkswagen Passat 168

144 Dodge Stratus Coupe 169
145 Hyundai XG 300 172
146 Nissan Frontier 173
146 Oldsmobile Silhouette 173
148 Oldsmobile Aurora 174
148 Toyota RAV4 174
150 Ford Explorer (Total) 175
151 Chevrolet Tracker 178
151 Chevrolet Venture 178
151 Honda Civic (Total) 178
154 Mitsubishi Diamante 179
155 Hyundai Sonata 180
155 Jeep Cherokee 180
155 Nissan Xterra 180
158 Subaru Outback Sdn/Wgn 181
158 Volvo V40 181

160 Dodge Ram Pickup 1500 182
160 Pontiac Montana 182
162 Dodge Dakota 183
162 Pontiac Bonneville 183
164 Hyundai Accent (Total) 184
164 Mitsubishi Eclipse (Total) 184
166 Ford Windstar 185
167 BMW X5 186
168 Ford ZX2 Coupe 187
168 Hyundai Elantra Sdn/Wgn 187
170 Ford Explorer Sport Trac 188
171 Honda Passport 192
171 Subaru Forester 192
173 Isuzu Rodeo (Total) 192
174 Volkswagen Cabrio 195
175 Suzuki Esteem (Total) 200
176 Land Rover Discovery Series II 201
177 Hyundai Santa Fe 202
178 Chevrolet Astro 203
178 Dodge Ram Van 203
178 Pontiac Firebird Cpe/Conv 203

 

is there a website with this info?

 

I'm sure if you search for it, JD Powers is a respectable service that most have heard of, so they will have their own website. But you see what I mean in terms of the listings. CL towards the middle to bottom and TL at the top. Doesn't make sense. Must be skewed, since reported by consumers, but on the other hand JD Power is the benchmark in reporting vehicle quality.

 

Ya, I see what u mean. Very good question, since TL and CL's parts are very similar. However I simply think that CL isn't as a good package as the TL. So maybe the CL owners are just unhappy with their cars and they give it bad reviews

 

Well if you think about it, the CL was in tis first year of production, it's likely that the CL has many more smaller problem than 00, and 01 TL which has been in production for few years now.

 

Did anyone else notice that 5 of the top 10, and 9 of the top 20 are from Toyota/Lexus? That's incredible. I've always been impressed with Honda/Acura's quality, but I think I need to take a look at Toyota/Lexus next time. Maybe I should replace my wife's Windstar (#166) with a Sienna (#15).

 

could be due to small sample size

 

damn, and I wanted to get a Land Rover Discovery!

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2000 TL-SILVER(NON-NAV)
YAKIMA ROOF RACKS
BURLWOOD SHIFT KNOB

 

CL vs. TL difference could be skewed due to the CL that was measured in that study was 2000 model, which was a first-year model that still had some bugs.

Also, CL attracts a younger more performance-oriented crowd, and this demographic might be more vocal in reporting their problems while TL owners simply don't give a damn. Who knows...

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'01 White Diamond Pearl 3.2TL
-Wing, tint, wood and Whistler