120K Service Completed
#1
120K Service Completed
The last 2 days I spent doing the following to my Acura with 120K miles:
Replaced Belts: Timing belt, Compressor belt, P/S belt
Replaced Tensioner
Replaced Water Pump and radiator coolant
Replaced Engine Mounts: Front and Rt. Side
Adjusted Valves
The cost of the parts was about $420 not including a few tools I purchased. I figure that dealer prices would have run me close to $2000.
Fortunately I noticed that the engine mounts were bad before I replaced my timing belt, saved me an extra hour or so by doing them at the same time.
After inspecting the old timing belt, I could have gone another 50K miles but I wanted to get it done and out of the way.
Adjusting the valves was essentially a waste of time since I only needed to adjust several of the intakes but they were still within spec.
Both the side and front engine mounts were leaking. I took pictures and plan on posting some threads.
I recommend that anyone looking for step by step instructions that you purchase the service manual. Besides step by step instructions it contains diagrams along with the tighting torques of the bolts.
Now that my Acura is back to gether it runs like a fine tuned sewing machine, very smooth.
Replaced Belts: Timing belt, Compressor belt, P/S belt
Replaced Tensioner
Replaced Water Pump and radiator coolant
Replaced Engine Mounts: Front and Rt. Side
Adjusted Valves
The cost of the parts was about $420 not including a few tools I purchased. I figure that dealer prices would have run me close to $2000.
Fortunately I noticed that the engine mounts were bad before I replaced my timing belt, saved me an extra hour or so by doing them at the same time.
After inspecting the old timing belt, I could have gone another 50K miles but I wanted to get it done and out of the way.
Adjusting the valves was essentially a waste of time since I only needed to adjust several of the intakes but they were still within spec.
Both the side and front engine mounts were leaking. I took pictures and plan on posting some threads.
I recommend that anyone looking for step by step instructions that you purchase the service manual. Besides step by step instructions it contains diagrams along with the tighting torques of the bolts.
Now that my Acura is back to gether it runs like a fine tuned sewing machine, very smooth.
#2
Engine Mounts Replaced
I recently replaced my front and right side engine mounts and have some pictures which illustrate the new mounts compared to the old mounts. The old mounts have 120K miles on them.
The side mount was leaking and you can see the brown goop underneath the mount. I cleaned up the mess so that I can tell when the new mount starts to leak. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice the tear in the old mount were the brown fluid is coming out.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/492/img0013gp6.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7701/img0014qi4.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1603/img0028jr4.jpg
I noticed that the front mount was going by putting the car in drive (with the brake on) and reving the engine. The engine had over 1" of travel. After removing the front mount I noticed that it was leaking. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice how the new mount sits up higher.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8051/img0031yr1.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9954/img0032ft7.jpg
These pictures were taken when I was doing my timing chain/water pump/tensioner replacement, that is why the timing chain cover is off.
The side mount was leaking and you can see the brown goop underneath the mount. I cleaned up the mess so that I can tell when the new mount starts to leak. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice the tear in the old mount were the brown fluid is coming out.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/492/img0013gp6.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7701/img0014qi4.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1603/img0028jr4.jpg
I noticed that the front mount was going by putting the car in drive (with the brake on) and reving the engine. The engine had over 1" of travel. After removing the front mount I noticed that it was leaking. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice how the new mount sits up higher.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8051/img0031yr1.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9954/img0032ft7.jpg
These pictures were taken when I was doing my timing chain/water pump/tensioner replacement, that is why the timing chain cover is off.
#4
Timing Belt /Water Pump/ Tensioner Replaced
At 120K miles I decided to replace my belts, water pump, and tensioner.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6240/img0001ys0.jpg
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3527/img0002ke0.jpg
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7117/img0010re4.jpg
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8687/img0011ur0.jpg
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5989/img0015dq4.jpg
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8876/img0026gh6.jpg
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6199/img0022al6.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/926/img0023xi2.jpg
Here are some pics of the new belts installed and completed job.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8641/img0028lq7.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5311/img0040lg0.jpg
Double check that all the connectors and bolts are fastened and if you don't have any parts left over then have a beer and call it a day.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6240/img0001ys0.jpg
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3527/img0002ke0.jpg
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7117/img0010re4.jpg
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/8687/img0011ur0.jpg
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5989/img0015dq4.jpg
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8876/img0026gh6.jpg
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6199/img0022al6.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/926/img0023xi2.jpg
Here are some pics of the new belts installed and completed job.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8641/img0028lq7.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5311/img0040lg0.jpg
Double check that all the connectors and bolts are fastened and if you don't have any parts left over then have a beer and call it a day.
#5
I spent the last two days (1/2 day each) replacing my belts, water pump, tensioner, antifreeze, adjusted valves besides the engine mounts.
I suspect if I did the engine mounts alone it would have taken 3-4 hours. If I had a ratching type of wrench it would have made things easier.
The parts cost me $170 from Carquest and were original Honda parts.
I suspect if I did the engine mounts alone it would have taken 3-4 hours. If I had a ratching type of wrench it would have made things easier.
The parts cost me $170 from Carquest and were original Honda parts.
#7
Southern
Good job taking an some real pain in the butt jobs, most of us would take it to the shop.
As technical as these cars are- I say adjusting the valves was a GOOD use of time, there is within spec- and there is perfect!
Every little bit helps when it comes to performance or mileage!
A 200+++ hp sewing machine......... yes!
Good job taking an some real pain in the butt jobs, most of us would take it to the shop.
As technical as these cars are- I say adjusting the valves was a GOOD use of time, there is within spec- and there is perfect!
Every little bit helps when it comes to performance or mileage!
A 200+++ hp sewing machine......... yes!
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#8
Originally Posted by dnd2984
How long did that take,
What was the total you spent in parts.
What was the total you spent in parts.
The parts cost me around $420 not including some extra tools I needed.
#10
Originally Posted by Southern
I spent over 1/2 day on Saturday & Sunday. I don't like rushing jobs like this nor do I like trying to do it all in one day.
The parts cost me around $420 not including some extra tools I needed.
The parts cost me around $420 not including some extra tools I needed.
Just to clarify the $420 included the engine mounts which were $170. I noticed that my separate threads were combined into one thread.
#12
Originally Posted by acutee
Great information.
Southern, do you have to remove the dipstick tube to perform the work and how did you remove it? did you have to loosen the power steering reservoir as well to get some space?
Southern, do you have to remove the dipstick tube to perform the work and how did you remove it? did you have to loosen the power steering reservoir as well to get some space?
You need to remove the dipstick tube to remove the lower timing belt cover. I used a big screwdriver and pried up on the lip near the bottom of the tube. Honda recommends replacing the O-ring at the bottom of the tube. I just removed mine and put it on in the other direction.
The power steering reservoir justs lifts up (similar to the engine coolant reservoir). I recommend it and also remove the wiring harness (which goes across the power steering hose) from the brackets to save a few scrapes on your hands.
#13
Valves Adjusted
Below are the pictures I took when I adjusted the valves. It is pretty much straight forward, keep taking off stuff until you get to the valves. I left the right timing belt cover off so that could tell which cylinder I was on to adjust the appropriate valve. As I mentioned before, I only needed to adjust several of the intakes by a slight amount.
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#15
Originally Posted by Southern
At 120K miles I decided to replace my belts, water pump, and tensioner.
How hard would you say this good is from 1 -10?
I have done header,intake,exhaust,brake,rotors, etc.., but never done complete
Maintenance tune up every.
#16
Originally Posted by AznWayTL's
How hard would you say this good is from 1 -10?
I have done header,intake,exhaust,brake,rotors, etc.., but never done complete
Maintenance tune up every.
I have done header,intake,exhaust,brake,rotors, etc.., but never done complete
Maintenance tune up every.
Most of the work is figuring out how to get at the bolts, I found it easier to get at what you can from underneath the wheel well since there is less hoses & wiring harness in the way.
Knowledge also plays a big roll since you need to understand the importance of not moving the timing gears when putting on the new belt and properly tensioning the P/S belt. The ability to properly tighten the various bolts is also very important and good tools is a must.
#18
Originally Posted by Southern
You need to remove the dipstick tube to remove the lower timing belt cover. I used a big screwdriver and pried up on the lip near the bottom of the tube. Honda recommends replacing the O-ring at the bottom of the tube. I just removed mine and put it on in the other direction.
The power steering reservoir justs lifts up (similar to the engine coolant reservoir). I recommend it and also remove the wiring harness (which goes across the power steering hose) from the brackets to save a few scrapes on your hands.
The power steering reservoir justs lifts up (similar to the engine coolant reservoir). I recommend it and also remove the wiring harness (which goes across the power steering hose) from the brackets to save a few scrapes on your hands.
I forgot to mention for the dipstick tube there is one bolt you need to remove near the top of the tube. The bolt attaches the welded tab of the tube to the side of the engine near the timing belt cover.
#19
Originally Posted by Southern
My hands have battle scars to prove this.
Originally Posted by Southern
With a 1 being an oil change and a 10 being an engine overhaul, I would put this at a 5.
Most of the work is figuring out how to get at the bolts, I found it easier to get at what you can from underneath the wheel well since there is less hoses & wiring harness in the way.
Knowledge also plays a big roll since you need to understand the importance of not moving the timing gears when putting on the new belt and properly tensioning the P/S belt. The ability to properly tighten the various bolts is also very important and good tools is a must.
Most of the work is figuring out how to get at the bolts, I found it easier to get at what you can from underneath the wheel well since there is less hoses & wiring harness in the way.
Knowledge also plays a big roll since you need to understand the importance of not moving the timing gears when putting on the new belt and properly tensioning the P/S belt. The ability to properly tighten the various bolts is also very important and good tools is a must.
Good Tools are Of the Utmost importance!!!!
#21
Originally Posted by Acuracy02
Is it necessary to replace the tensioner pulley along with the tensioner?
According to the service manual, they don't mention replacing the tensioner, however the dealer recommended this when I was pricing parts.
I figure that if the tensioner fails so does the engine, if a pulley fails it will just make noise.
#22
Originally Posted by Southern
You need to remove the dipstick tube to remove the lower timing belt cover. I used a big screwdriver and pried up on the lip near the bottom of the tube. Honda recommends replacing the O-ring at the bottom of the tube. I just removed mine and put it on in the other direction.
The power steering reservoir justs lifts up (similar to the engine coolant reservoir). I recommend it and also remove the wiring harness (which goes across the power steering hose) from the brackets to save a few scrapes on your hands.
The power steering reservoir justs lifts up (similar to the engine coolant reservoir). I recommend it and also remove the wiring harness (which goes across the power steering hose) from the brackets to save a few scrapes on your hands.
Was part #25 the o-ring you were talking about?
#24
Originally Posted by Southern
Yes
Totally off-topic to this conversation, but are you still on your original cats?
#25
Originally Posted by Southern
In my case the bearings were fine so I didn't replace the pulley.
According to the service manual, they don't mention replacing the tensioner, however the dealer recommended this when I was pricing parts.
I figure that if the tensioner fails so does the engine, if a pulley fails it will just make noise.
According to the service manual, they don't mention replacing the tensioner, however the dealer recommended this when I was pricing parts.
I figure that if the tensioner fails so does the engine, if a pulley fails it will just make noise.
#26
Originally Posted by ArN 2000 TL
thanks for the quick reply. I am thinking about doing the same thing. I have 101k on mine now and just did the good ol' sea-foam, oil changes and plugs a couple months back. The car idles smooth but there is decent vibration and the belts sound kinda loud (not squeaking, just noisey). I figured I would do this now while i have the time.
Totally off-topic to this conversation, but are you still on your original cats?
Totally off-topic to this conversation, but are you still on your original cats?
Yes, I am on my original cats. I never had a vehicle that I had to replace cats including my previous 1988 Honda Accord with 180K miles and my current 92 Chevy Astro with 183K miles.
#28
Originally Posted by ArN 2000 TL
thanks for the quick reply. I am thinking about doing the same thing. I have 101k on mine now and just did the good ol' sea-foam, oil changes and plugs a couple months back. The car idles smooth but there is decent vibration and the belts sound kinda loud (not squeaking, just noisey). I figured I would do this now while i have the time.
Totally off-topic to this conversation, but are you still on your original cats?
Totally off-topic to this conversation, but are you still on your original cats?
Im still on my original cat. 221k or so on it now
#29
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Ive had the dipstick tube in and out 5 or so times. I dont think its necessary to replace the O-Ring
#31
#32
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I plan on doing a little more homework and then placing the order for this. I might even swing by a local dealer to see if they will price match the parts. With tax (from buying local) it will be $10 more after you wash out the shipping/handling, but if anything is wrong/defective it would be easier to deal with.
#35
Originally Posted by ArN 2000 TL
Thanks for the link...as i was waiting for someone to reply i found www.acuraoemparts.com and there price was $30 cheaper for all parts, handling charge was $2 cheaper and they gave me a shipping quote (26.91). The one above said shipping will be calculated after everything is boxed. I don't like that at all.
I plan on doing a little more homework and then placing the order for this. I might even swing by a local dealer to see if they will price match the parts. With tax (from buying local) it will be $10 more after you wash out the shipping/handling, but if anything is wrong/defective it would be easier to deal with.
I plan on doing a little more homework and then placing the order for this. I might even swing by a local dealer to see if they will price match the parts. With tax (from buying local) it will be $10 more after you wash out the shipping/handling, but if anything is wrong/defective it would be easier to deal with.
I may have tried seeing if the dealer would match if i had one that was closer than a hr 30 min drive
#36
Engine Mounts Replaced With Pics
I figured out how to show pics instead of links.
I recently replaced my front and right side engine mounts and have some pictures which illustrate the new mounts compared to the old mounts. The old mounts have 120K miles on them.
The side mount was leaking and you can see the brown goop underneath the mount. I cleaned up the mess so that I can tell when the new mount starts to leak. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice the tear in the old mount were the brown fluid is coming out.
I noticed that the front mount was going by putting the car in drive (with the brake on) and reving the engine. The engine had over 1" of travel. After removing the front mount I noticed that it was leaking. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice how the new mount sits up higher.
These pictures were taken when I was doing my timing chain/water pump/tensioner replacement, that is why the timing chain cover is off.
I recently replaced my front and right side engine mounts and have some pictures which illustrate the new mounts compared to the old mounts. The old mounts have 120K miles on them.
The side mount was leaking and you can see the brown goop underneath the mount. I cleaned up the mess so that I can tell when the new mount starts to leak. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice the tear in the old mount were the brown fluid is coming out.
I noticed that the front mount was going by putting the car in drive (with the brake on) and reving the engine. The engine had over 1" of travel. After removing the front mount I noticed that it was leaking. The picture shows the old mount next to the new mount, notice how the new mount sits up higher.
These pictures were taken when I was doing my timing chain/water pump/tensioner replacement, that is why the timing chain cover is off.
#37
Timing Belt /Water Pump/ Tensioner Replaced with Pics
At 120K miles I decided to replace my belts, water pump, and tensioner.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
Here are some pics of the new belts installed and completed job.
Double check that all the connectors and bolts are fastened and if you don't have any parts left over then have a beer and call it a day.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
Here are some pics of the new belts installed and completed job.
Double check that all the connectors and bolts are fastened and if you don't have any parts left over then have a beer and call it a day.
#38
Valves Adjusted with Pics
Below are the pictures I took when I adjusted the valves. It is pretty much straight forward, keep taking off stuff until you get to the valves. I left the right timing belt cover off so that could tell which cylinder I was on to adjust the appropriate valve. As I mentioned before, I only needed to adjust several of the intakes by a slight amount.
#39
Originally Posted by Southern
At 120K miles I decided to replace my belts, water pump, and tensioner.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
The first step is to gather all the parts, knowledge and tools beforehand.
I suggest measuring the P/S pump belt adjustment bolt (as a reference) so that you don't overtighten the new belt and destroy the pump bearing.
The most difficult hurdle was to get the crank bolt loose. I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley and a 6' cheeter bar helped.
Here is a picture with the P/S belt off and the old timing belt. The old timing belt had at least another 50K of service left to it.
I recommend covering the dip stick hole to keep out the dirt and antifreeze.
Here are some pics of the water pump removed and the belts off.
Above you wrote " I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley " What tool did you use an are you saying the pulley just need stay in place?
Sorry sound very NOOB it's just try get better idea on Maintenance tune up.
Don't wanted buy all there part an back out.
#40
Originally Posted by AznWayTL's
I have air compressor an good impact gun at home. My question is should i loose crank bolt using impact gun or this should be done by hand?
Above you wrote " I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley " What tool did you use an are you saying the pulley just need stay in place?
Sorry sound very NOOB it's just try get better idea on Maintenance tune up.
Don't wanted buy all there part an back out.
Above you wrote " I used the "special tool" to hold the pulley " What tool did you use an are you saying the pulley just need stay in place?
Sorry sound very NOOB it's just try get better idea on Maintenance tune up.
Don't wanted buy all there part an back out.
The special tool is the hex shaped device in the first pic next to the tensioner. I recommend this because you can use it to hold the pulley to tighten the crank bolt when you are putting things back together. Yes the pulley needs to be held in place to get the crank bolt loose.
I also recommend purchasing the service manual if you plan on tackling this job.