I know this has more or less been beaten to death with a dead horse... but there's conflicting info everywhere. (link to the wrong intake, links to COLD AIR intakes, etc...).

I don't want a CAI, just a normal short intake. What are the options?

 

there is no gain with a short intake,u will get heat soak But if u want it for the sound thats different

 

then I'll put a ram air scoop on the hood

 

I'd love to see that??

 

http://www.advanceautoparts.com/1/3/car-hood-scoop

 

a guy in the 4G TL forum measured temps under the hood once the car is moving, he saw no difference in temperature being fed to the engine between cai and sri

 

037... so does the 2004 normal (non Type S) TL short intake work with no major modification on an 05 RL?

 

i also have an 04 base tl and trying to install a cai in place of the stock air box. (a lot cheaper just getting some fittings and a filter rather than full tubing down to the front bumper)
but will it even be worth it because of the warm air from the engine?

also what is the best cai filter out there?
AEM. K&N. AFE. Volant. Injen. Airaid.
i cant decide on which one will give me the best gains

 

^ aem cai. Of course a CAI will out perform a Short air intake
A short air is comparable to a stock intake box,no gain

 

making assumptions out of thin air should be left for teenagers. both cai and sri claim benefits and "proof" with dyno.

I know nothing about 2004 TL's and what fits them, try tirerack.com and see what they goto to offer.

 

Hrmm. Does a short ram from a 04+ TL fit into our RL's with ease? All holes being plugged and etc?

 

The only short ram intake option is to buy a k&n cold air intake, and only use half the piping that it comes with. And that is for 04 TL fits perfect I just installed it and sound great got it from excelerateProformance.com and they hooked it up cuz of acurazine so don't forget to mention the forum.

 

The car isn't always moving when you stomp on the gas and the 4G has the beak allowing for MAXIMUM airflow. I guess the 2.5 does too. I've dynoed and tracked with both an SRI and CAI on the same day (2003 TLS) &
while I always got off the line quicker and throttle response was better with an SRI, the CAI outgained it everytime. Short ram does what it is supposed to do when you have something creating the "ram air" effect. Such as a hood scoop, a funnel, or some type of opening forcing air right onto the SRI.

 

it takes more than a bolt on shiny thing these days to make power. Honda is way out in front of you on this. The RL has a VTEC engine so it breathes really well with stock induction and the exhaust is quite well designed. It is 3.5L V6 and you are getting 290 HP from it. 3.5 L = 213 cu inches. Ford needed a 302 cu in engine with ram induction on their muscle car Boss 302 engines to get 290 HP.

 

we're couple years apart, Hyundai is making 429hp on 5.0L with better fuel economy than RL 3.7...

 

Dude you dont know what the hell your talking about,Its not an assumption,its common sense. And the dynos ive seen comparing stock intake vs short air vs CAI. The CAI is the performer. Do your research

 

Does the AEM CAI make power on the rl or only noise?

 

i think you completely missed the point. 037 didnt say that CAI was NOT better, he just said that they both provide hp gains over stock

"both cai and sri claim benefits"

 

 

wasted money

 

What is wasted money? A short ram intake, or ANY intake, even a CAI?

I assumed the oem intake was a form of cold air intake....quieter than an aftermarket system... But I'm not sure an AEM or any aftermarket intake would make any detectable power increase...... Or does it?

 

the RL is not all about power, my RL was too quiet at WOT, I couldn't get to hear the engine even above 5k which was cutting into my gas mileage as well (didn't realize I was revving it that high).

with a SRI there is no mistake where the tach is and watching people jump out of the way as if they heard a train













priceless

 

I was trying to help you,and he wanted to make a smartass remark about assumptions Thats why u posted this thread right? Doesnt make a difference what car we are talking about,hot air vs colder air. you will always have heatsoak with a short Ram,case closed

 

Of course it makes a power increase,plus allowing your car to breath better.
will give u 1 maybe 2miles more per gallon as well. I stand by my previous comments with a short ram does no more than a stock intake other then making noise

 

I'm sure you are more qualified than all the companies who post DYNO graphs of SRI gains and all the stupid people buying them and getting nothing but noise.

"In recent testing this intake produced 14hp and 14lbs. x ft. of torque."



http://wwww.afepower.com/shop/detail...V6&&brandID=78

bottom line is, get some manners and think before you speak.

 

Of course it doesnt suprise me that you believe an ad they produced to sell their product All the companys make claims that arent completely true.
Numerous companys claim 15Hp,Its Marketing. I would trust somebody here that did a before and after Dyno with proof before i would trust Marketing. You got alot to learn

 

Jacob good luck with your choice of intakes,colder air is better than warmer air.
Thats why Turbo charged cars have intercoolers,hense to keep the air cooler.
Cooler the air,better the performance.

 

Italiano, are you an expert in the field or just full of hot air?

at this point, I am leaning towards a weather baloon vs rocket scientist.

"is that air you're breathing?" - Matrix

 

In general...cold air is better. Italiano is right about that.

On some cars you maybe can't notice it, but many you can..ever notice your car feels faster at night! I had an S60r that car was under inter cooled when designed! It was highly susceptible to heat.... In 80 degrees it was pretty fast...at night when it was 40-50 degrees... OMFG... IT WAS A BEAST. cold air made it wicked fast.

Now on a car like an rl, it's not forced induction, I'm not sure how efficient the oem I take is, and wi a short ram you may get more flow, but hotter air, etc. Lots of variables. What I'm sayingis an SRI might make power gains, but all things being equal, a CAI should be better.

Cold air is denser, more oxygen, more bang.

Has anyone done a dyne and a butt dyne test after installing an intake onto an RL, and did the car seem faster? I thought you, 037, thought the car might have been slower?? After an intake install? Which one did u put on?

Would the K&N drop in make any change in power or sound...or nothing?

I'm tempted to down AEM.... Not sure how hard to install and how hard to get to the intake to clean it! Also, is the AEM Intake carb legal in California? On the RL?

 

not a fan of CAIs, I've killed a motor before in a deep puddle of water with a CAI. I know they have check valves now for them, but I still won't install one on my car.

 

An after market intake does not add more air it just removes turbulance cause by the stock airbox being chamber to reduce noise and keep water out of the motor. I do believe honda built this airbox alot better then other models for performance. Unless someone here on the forums does a dyno run before and after there is no proof that honda left any room for improvement. That would explain 2 things why no aftermarket companies make an intake for the 2g RL and why mugen uses the stock airbox on their race legend. I remember in my civic days(early 90's) tuning my civic before and after mods were done and finding that honda didn't leave room for improvement on certain parts. Personally if you wanna here the honda intake growl i'd say go for it. Im gonna install a cai just for bling and sound. This car is a pig meaning it aint no race car so all this is meaning less. If you want fast buy a sports car. Just my , not here to offend.

 

There have been at least 2 RL's dyno-ed both stock and after the AEM CAI and 5Zigen exhaust mods.
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/m-003-my-rl-dynoed-part-2-post-mod-results-videos-pix-499256/
There seems to be good reason to believe the CAI will increase the HP.

 

yes, I was the one who said the car felt slower, and I actually did buy and install a K&N filter maybe 3 weeks to a month before installing Takeda SRI.

the one thing I noticed with K&N is that my tranny shifted smoother, of course that could have been the result of just getting a nasty looking filter out.

If Takeda didn't sound so damn good I would swap the K&N back in a heart beat. I think the stock box socks in air from outsid through a tube vs my SRI just sitting next to the battery, so it mixes engine air w/ outside air vs going through a tube.

If I could get the same sound stock, I would take SRI out.

RL is no race car but it can be damn fun with the right mods.

 

You could get the same sound stock you just got to cut out the baffles in the stock airbox. it will give you that honda growl. Didn't know if anybody got to dyno test im gonna take a look at it and see if its truly worth it.

 

He dyno'd with the exhaust and the intake done so you don't know exactly if the intake produced anything. exhaust will definately add ponies alone.

 

I'm either going to get rid of the stock intake resonators and use a K&N filter or just make my own CAI.

 

Maybe I'll try the K&N drop in?

How much is the AEM kit that fitsmour car? Do I need to drop the bumper to put it in? Or is it an easy bolt on?

 

Someone give this guy the blue pill.

 

I have a drop in k&n. maybe i'll gut my airbox out to see if there is a difference in sound.

 

The K&N filter isnt all that cheap itself. The AEM I believe is ~$300. There is an intake on ebay for $50 but for that I might as well make my own with better materials/filter.