SH-AWD Sets a Bad Example?
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SH-AWD Sets a Bad Example?
On my daily commute there is a 2 lane sharp left curve under an overpass (bounded by a concrete retaining wall).
As time has progressed with my RL, I have been taking this turn with little or no braking as the SHAWD glides the RL through this turn. The suggested caution speed sign for the curve is 25mph along with a flashing amber light.
I have taken this turn at 55mph as it is an off ramp of the expressway. It did not even squeal the RLs OEM Michelins.
Today I had someone in a current Gen TL on my tail much of the expressway. I was traveling at 55mph in a 50 mph post and was not in the left lane. Even after moving a lane to the right, the TL moved behind me and up my butt.
I proceeded off the expressway onto the left lane exit. Again the TL's nose and hood were not visible in my rear view mirror. I stayed in the right lane of the 2 lane offramp and into the sharp left turn. This time I was down to 45mph as I entered the turn. The TL was right on my butt still.
I glided into the turn and accelerated out without touching the brakes, the RL was unflappable. But I guess my TL stalker assumed he need not brake either and the FWD plow of the TL took him into the concrete retaining wall which he shredded the passenger side of the TL, ripping off both the front and rear bumper facias. In my review mirror I saw plastic shrapnel and sparks flying.
I immediately pulled into a side lot and walked back to the TL driver. He was OK, on the phone already and avoided eye contact with me. I tapped on the driver window and asked if he was OK while holding back a 'you are a jackass' lecture.
He nodded and waved me off...seemingly embarassed.
Thankfully no one was hurt, but a pity the TL suffered for the idiot driver. As much as I wanted to ask him if he would follow me off a cliff, I have to admit that a smile was on my face when I got back into my RL.
Just another example as how subtly the RL sets a high bar.
As time has progressed with my RL, I have been taking this turn with little or no braking as the SHAWD glides the RL through this turn. The suggested caution speed sign for the curve is 25mph along with a flashing amber light.
I have taken this turn at 55mph as it is an off ramp of the expressway. It did not even squeal the RLs OEM Michelins.
Today I had someone in a current Gen TL on my tail much of the expressway. I was traveling at 55mph in a 50 mph post and was not in the left lane. Even after moving a lane to the right, the TL moved behind me and up my butt.
I proceeded off the expressway onto the left lane exit. Again the TL's nose and hood were not visible in my rear view mirror. I stayed in the right lane of the 2 lane offramp and into the sharp left turn. This time I was down to 45mph as I entered the turn. The TL was right on my butt still.
I glided into the turn and accelerated out without touching the brakes, the RL was unflappable. But I guess my TL stalker assumed he need not brake either and the FWD plow of the TL took him into the concrete retaining wall which he shredded the passenger side of the TL, ripping off both the front and rear bumper facias. In my review mirror I saw plastic shrapnel and sparks flying.
I immediately pulled into a side lot and walked back to the TL driver. He was OK, on the phone already and avoided eye contact with me. I tapped on the driver window and asked if he was OK while holding back a 'you are a jackass' lecture.
He nodded and waved me off...seemingly embarassed.
Thankfully no one was hurt, but a pity the TL suffered for the idiot driver. As much as I wanted to ask him if he would follow me off a cliff, I have to admit that a smile was on my face when I got back into my RL.
Just another example as how subtly the RL sets a high bar.
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I know my car is faster in a straight line, but I'm smart enough not to try to chase an RL through a corner. SHAWD vs. Front drive with LSD, not a fair fight.
Isn't there a line from Forest Gump about this?
Isn't there a line from Forest Gump about this?
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Originally Posted by black label
Isn't there a line from Forest Gump about this?
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I'm already looking on the TL side for the inevitable "I was tailing an RL and shredded my car" thread. 
SH-AWD FTW!
I'm glad the TL sacrificed itself for its owner and that he was unhurt.
SH-AWD FTW!
I'm glad the TL sacrificed itself for its owner and that he was unhurt.
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
I'm already looking on the TL side for the inevitable "I was tailing an RL and shredded my car" thread.
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
I'm already looking on the TL side for the inevitable "I was tailing an RL and shredded my car" thread.
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Just curious, Tampa, is that corner the one over by the airport. I recall a really nasty corner between the airport and the Howard Frankenstein. Was made all the more dangerous by the tourists in their rental cars driving 2 mph...
You should put a TL emblem on your driver's side door...
(sorry, been watching that "Dogfights" TV show a bit too much)
You should put a TL emblem on your driver's side door...
(sorry, been watching that "Dogfights" TV show a bit too much)
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Originally Posted by TampaRL
On my daily commute there is a 2 lane sharp left curve under an overpass (bounded by a concrete retaining wall).
As time has progressed with my RL, I have been taking this turn with little or no braking as the SHAWD glides the RL through this turn. The suggested caution speed sign for the curve is 25mph along with a flashing amber light.
I have taken this turn at 55mph as it is an off ramp of the expressway. It did not even squeal the RLs OEM Michelins.
Today I had someone in a current Gen TL on my tail much of the expressway. I was traveling at 55mph in a 50 mph post and was not in the left lane. Even after moving a lane to the right, the TL moved behind me and up my butt.
I proceeded off the expressway onto the left lane exit. Again the TL's nose and hood were not visible in my rear view mirror. I stayed in the right lane of the 2 lane offramp and into the sharp left turn. This time I was down to 45mph as I entered the turn. The TL was right on my butt still.
I glided into the turn and accelerated out without touching the brakes, the RL was unflappable. But I guess my TL stalker assumed he need not brake either and the FWD plow of the TL took him into the concrete retaining wall which he shredded the passenger side of the TL, ripping off both the front and rear bumper facias. In my review mirror I saw plastic shrapnel and sparks flying.
I immediately pulled into a side lot and walked back to the TL driver. He was OK, on the phone already and avoided eye contact with me. I tapped on the driver window and asked if he was OK while holding back a 'you are a jackass' lecture.
He nodded and waved me off...seemingly embarassed.
Thankfully no one was hurt, but a pity the TL suffered for the idiot driver. As much as I wanted to ask him if he would follow me off a cliff, I have to admit that a smile was on my face when I got back into my RL.
Just another example as how subtly the RL sets a high bar.
As time has progressed with my RL, I have been taking this turn with little or no braking as the SHAWD glides the RL through this turn. The suggested caution speed sign for the curve is 25mph along with a flashing amber light.
I have taken this turn at 55mph as it is an off ramp of the expressway. It did not even squeal the RLs OEM Michelins.
Today I had someone in a current Gen TL on my tail much of the expressway. I was traveling at 55mph in a 50 mph post and was not in the left lane. Even after moving a lane to the right, the TL moved behind me and up my butt.
I proceeded off the expressway onto the left lane exit. Again the TL's nose and hood were not visible in my rear view mirror. I stayed in the right lane of the 2 lane offramp and into the sharp left turn. This time I was down to 45mph as I entered the turn. The TL was right on my butt still.
I glided into the turn and accelerated out without touching the brakes, the RL was unflappable. But I guess my TL stalker assumed he need not brake either and the FWD plow of the TL took him into the concrete retaining wall which he shredded the passenger side of the TL, ripping off both the front and rear bumper facias. In my review mirror I saw plastic shrapnel and sparks flying.
I immediately pulled into a side lot and walked back to the TL driver. He was OK, on the phone already and avoided eye contact with me. I tapped on the driver window and asked if he was OK while holding back a 'you are a jackass' lecture.
He nodded and waved me off...seemingly embarassed.
Thankfully no one was hurt, but a pity the TL suffered for the idiot driver. As much as I wanted to ask him if he would follow me off a cliff, I have to admit that a smile was on my face when I got back into my RL.
Just another example as how subtly the RL sets a high bar.
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Originally Posted by AsianTL
He needs to upgrade to A-SPEC suspension to keep up may be) to keep up with you.
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Yep, its the sharp turn from Memorial Highway onto Independence Parkway...next to the airport. This was the same retaining wall a fuel tanker slammed into a few years back and caused the overpass (Vet's Expressway) to melt. Coincidently, I was 500 yards ahead of that truck and remember saying to myself: 'He'll never make that turn' as he slammed into the concrete wall and I saw the orange fireball chasing me. 
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it! Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).
But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it!
Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
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TampaRL- you write wonderful posts. This was a great story. Id love to know how my TSX would've faired in that turn. I have some sticky Bridgestone pole positions, but would still prob get smoked. I wouldn't be foolish enough, though, to not know my cars limit. Its scary to think how well the RL could handle with A-Spec.
I really want to get my fiancee a RL and stories like this make me want it for myself. I completely understand the way the seats cradled you- I feel the same in the tsx. It must be something to do with Japanese design.
I really want to get my fiancee a RL and stories like this make me want it for myself. I completely understand the way the seats cradled you- I feel the same in the tsx. It must be something to do with Japanese design.
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Tampa,
I should drive over one of these days and try the same turn a few times with the lowered ride and bigger, lower profile tires to see what we could get her to do...
Funny I was just in Tampa earlier today, but as usual I avoid 275 if at all possible, like the pest! When I do spend the night I usually stay right off West Shore or Dale Mabry.
Later,
I should drive over one of these days and try the same turn a few times with the lowered ride and bigger, lower profile tires to see what we could get her to do...
Funny I was just in Tampa earlier today, but as usual I avoid 275 if at all possible, like the pest! When I do spend the night I usually stay right off West Shore or Dale Mabry.
Later,
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
I'm already looking on the TL site for the inevitable "I was racing and beating an RL and he ran me off the road and shredded my car" thread.
SH-AWD FTW!
I'm glad the TL sacrificed itself for its owner and that he was unhurt.
SH-AWD FTW!
I'm glad the TL sacrificed itself for its owner and that he was unhurt.
Fixed your post
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Originally Posted by Roy Cya
Tampa,
Funny I was just in Tampa earlier today, but as usual I avoid 275 if at all possible, like the pest! When I do spend the night I usually stay right off West Shore or Dale Mabry.
Later,
Funny I was just in Tampa earlier today, but as usual I avoid 275 if at all possible, like the pest! When I do spend the night I usually stay right off West Shore or Dale Mabry.
Later,
My office is in the Westshore / Cypress. Let me know when you are overnighting again. Burgers & Beer on me.
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Originally Posted by TampaRL
Yep, its the sharp turn from Memorial Highway onto Independence Parkway...next to the airport. This was the same retaining wall a fuel tanker slammed into a few years back and caused the overpass (Vet's Expressway) to melt. Coincidently, I was 500 yards ahead of that truck and remember saying to myself: 'He'll never make that turn' as he slammed into the concrete wall and I saw the orange fireball chasing me.
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it! Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).
But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it!
Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
Glad the guy wasn't hurt, aside from his ego knowing that the "grandpa car" (that many refer to) outcornered his TL.
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What an idiot. I would not have held back, though. I'd have yelled at him for being a flaming moron. At least he only caused himself to get into an accident, and not anyone else. Stupid people. 
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I forgot to add, but it would have been alot more hilarious if instead of a TL, it was either a BMW, lexus, or any "premium luxury" brand that crashed. So then it'd be like, who's the premium luxury car now? or like, how come a "premium luxury" car can't out corner a "semi luxury" car like an Acura?
then again...I guess you can't base a luxury cars solely on cornering, but I guess it still plays a part.
then again...I guess you can't base a luxury cars solely on cornering, but I guess it still plays a part.
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Oh man what an idiot. I certainly wouldn't have held back at all in the lecturing. I would have also hung around till the cops got there to make sure the fact that it was 100% his fault ended up in the police report. For all you know, he could've claimed some anonymous driver ran him off the road and wah, wah, it wasn't my fault.
That story reminds me of a time a number of years back when some punk ass teenager tried to pass me on the shoulder doing something like 120 in a riced out 3000GT. It was early spring and the ground was really soft from the snow melt. He dropped a tire off the road and the corner of his car started digging into the mud. He spun out and ended up on his roof. I had seen him coming and had my signal on to get into the other lane but he was too impatient to wait the 5 seconds for me to get where I could move over. People were flying all over the place trying to avoid the chaos so I wasn't able to stop but I did get a good look at the guys face right as he started getting into trouble and eyes were about as big as head.
Stupid kids.
That story reminds me of a time a number of years back when some punk ass teenager tried to pass me on the shoulder doing something like 120 in a riced out 3000GT. It was early spring and the ground was really soft from the snow melt. He dropped a tire off the road and the corner of his car started digging into the mud. He spun out and ended up on his roof. I had seen him coming and had my signal on to get into the other lane but he was too impatient to wait the 5 seconds for me to get where I could move over. People were flying all over the place trying to avoid the chaos so I wasn't able to stop but I did get a good look at the guys face right as he started getting into trouble and eyes were about as big as head.
Stupid kids.
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Originally Posted by gavine
So that's two accidents that TampaRL "caused" with his fancy-handling car.
Note to self: Never follow Tampa around an off-ramp (or any turn for that matter) in anything but an SH-AWD equipped vehicle.
Note to self: Never follow Tampa around an off-ramp (or any turn for that matter) in anything but an SH-AWD equipped vehicle.
Nobody saw ANYTHING....you CAN'T prove it!
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Originally Posted by TampaRL
Yep, its the sharp turn from Memorial Highway onto Independence Parkway...next to the airport. This was the same retaining wall a fuel tanker slammed into a few years back and caused the overpass (Vet's Expressway) to melt. Coincidently, I was 500 yards ahead of that truck and remember saying to myself: 'He'll never make that turn' as he slammed into the concrete wall and I saw the orange fireball chasing me.
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it! Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).
But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
Yes, I remember that turn in the TL. The TL turned in sharper, but felt nose heavy and would begin a gradual plow as the front end lost traction. The TL also required steering corrections which would make it 'twitchy' in the arc of the turn.
The RL arcs beautifully. The is no plow, no slide and the rear pushes through. My first few tries I was overly cautious since the RL is a substantial car in weight, and the softer suspension allows it to roll more. This is likey why most novice RL drivers never really experience the SHAWD affect...they back off on the car just as it is ready to get on it!
Also, I stay planted in the RLs seats where as the TL seats allowed me to slide around. As much as the RLs seats are criticized as not being sporty, they truly conform to my body and I stay planted (and comfortable!).But once I learned the heft and roll of the RL was not an issue for the SHAWD, I take the turn with aplomb and each and every time I get a grin like a silly schoolkid with a new driver's permit. And the poise of the RL makes it look less athletic than the twitching of the FWD TL in the same conditions.
HA! I can't believe I guessed right about the turn. What I love about that turn is that its a great test to see who's a local and who is a tourist coming to/from the airport. Most locals know to slow down a bit before the turn comes, but the tourists don't and usually end up slamming on their brakes early to mid turn.
It doesn't help that there is the added distraction of airplanes landing a mere half a mile away.
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Originally Posted by TampaRL
Roy,
My office is in the Westshore / Cypress. Let me know when you are overnighting again. Burgers & Beer on me.
My office is in the Westshore / Cypress. Let me know when you are overnighting again. Burgers & Beer on me.
I'll let you know.Later,
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Originally Posted by UW RL
I wonder if the RL had Quattro, or other AWD systems would it perform the same on a ramp like that?
The key is the SHAWD dynamic capabilities. It is adjusting wheel torque through the curve ('front to back & side to side'). I can see it on the MID and feel it in my seat. It is linear and progressive, but it changes as you journey through the curve. The advantages of each axel and wheel is capitalized on where it performs most beneifical in the turn geometry.
And for those of you who have pushed the RL through a turn whereyou get the rear outside wheel to accelerate, it is a very unique sensation I have not felt in other AWD systems. It feels as if the chassis itself is rotating at it's midpoint and not simply wheel traction. MOST drivers would not experience this in a test drive or until the vehicle driving characteristic become familiar. The RL begs to be driven in a manner we have be cautioned against.
While AWD systems do offer impressive grip, the RL's SHAWD makes it a carnival ride. One that I indulge in nearly everyday on my work commute.
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Yeah, I do agree with you. I have pushed my RL a few times through a 90 degree turn (accelerating into and out of the turn) and the car simply felt like it was on a track. Let's see what other companies' imitation to SHAWD can do....
Originally Posted by TampaRL
I doubt it. I have driven Audi Quattros, BMW xi, and Subura AWD systems. They may be very capable, but I have to say SHAWD is less brute and more organic.
The key is the SHAWD dynamic capabilities. It is adjusting wheel torque through the curve ('front to back & side to side'). I can see it on the MID and feel it in my seat. It is linear and progressive, but it changes as you journey through the curve. The advantages of each axel and wheel is capitalized on where it performs most beneifical in the turn geometry.
And for those of you who have pushed the RL through a turn whereyou get the rear outside wheel to accelerate, it is a very unique sensation I have not felt in other AWD systems. It feels as if the chassis itself is rotating at it's midpoint and not simply wheel traction. MOST drivers would not experience this in a test drive or until the vehicle driving characteristic become familiar. The RL begs to be driven in a manner we have be cautioned against.
While AWD systems do offer impressive grip, the RL's SHAWD makes it a carnival ride. One that I indulge in nearly everyday on my work commute.
The key is the SHAWD dynamic capabilities. It is adjusting wheel torque through the curve ('front to back & side to side'). I can see it on the MID and feel it in my seat. It is linear and progressive, but it changes as you journey through the curve. The advantages of each axel and wheel is capitalized on where it performs most beneifical in the turn geometry.
And for those of you who have pushed the RL through a turn whereyou get the rear outside wheel to accelerate, it is a very unique sensation I have not felt in other AWD systems. It feels as if the chassis itself is rotating at it's midpoint and not simply wheel traction. MOST drivers would not experience this in a test drive or until the vehicle driving characteristic become familiar. The RL begs to be driven in a manner we have be cautioned against.
While AWD systems do offer impressive grip, the RL's SHAWD makes it a carnival ride. One that I indulge in nearly everyday on my work commute.
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Originally Posted by sleepinxlionhart
I forgot to add, but it would have been alot more hilarious if instead of a TL, it was either a BMW, lexus, or any "premium luxury" brand that crashed. So then it'd be like, who's the premium luxury car now? or like, how come a "premium luxury" car can't out corner a "semi luxury" car like an Acura?
then again...I guess you can't base a luxury cars solely on cornering, but I guess it still plays a part.
then again...I guess you can't base a luxury cars solely on cornering, but I guess it still plays a part.
That would be a pretty good commercial.