Anyone notice this issue w/ manual shifting and 3rd gear ?
#1
Burning Brakes
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So today I took the car out on a nice long trip (~400 miles roundtrip), so I really got a chance to open it up on the freeway. Now I was using the steering paddle shifters and I noticed something odd... When in 3rd gear at full throttle when the tach gets to 5000rpm, there is a pause in the needle movement, but the speedo is still climbing, then the rpm needle starts moving a second later and goes up normally to redline.
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
#2
Originally Posted by Touge
So today I took the car out on a nice long trip (~400 miles roundtrip), so I really got a chance to open it up on the freeway. Now I was using the steering paddle shifters and I noticed something odd... When in 3rd gear at full throttle when the tach gets to 5000rpm, there is a pause in the needle movement, but the speedo is still climbing, then the rpm needle starts moving a second later and goes up normally to redline.
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
#3
Burning Brakes
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Yeah 5k is the stock v-tec shift point, so it could be that... but then I'm still confused why when using the car in auto mode there is no lag in the rpms moving towards redline. Maybe there is more load on the engine, b/c in 2nd gear I did not notice this issue
Just wondering if other RL owners have experienced this issue.
Just wondering if other RL owners have experienced this issue.
#6
Burning Brakes
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I see, but has anyone else tried being on the highway and flooring it in 3rd gear to redline ? it's just so weird that when in automode there is no lag in rpms moving.
Which leads me to believe that this car is faster if you leave it in auto vs manual shift mode ?.
Which leads me to believe that this car is faster if you leave it in auto vs manual shift mode ?.
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Cajun Gumbo Man
My RDX paddle shifters shift quickly and so does my 07 MDX. Could that have improved it on the 07 RL's ?
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Originally Posted by Touge
So today I took the car out on a nice long trip (~400 miles roundtrip), so I really got a chance to open it up on the freeway. Now I was using the steering paddle shifters and I noticed something odd... When in 3rd gear at full throttle when the tach gets to 5000rpm, there is a pause in the needle movement, but the speedo is still climbing, then the rpm needle starts moving a second later and goes up normally to redline.
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
However if you leave the car in drive and do the same thing (floor it in 3rd to redline) there is no pause on the tach needle in moving. Odd.
Anyone else every try this or notice this issue ?
#10
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I tried to reproduce this last night on the way home. Put it in third and accelerated through 5000 to try and get a hitch, and could not get anything. Did not quite get to 6000 because I was going awfully fast on 55 road.
#11
Burning Brakes
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Chas2, so in 3rd with the paddles you saw the rpm needle move smoothly up from where every you started till near 6k ?. In my case what happened is the rpm needle doesn't move for a sec at 5k, but the speed of the car is increasing. I wonder if it's something I can bring up to the dealer. Hmm
#12
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Originally Posted by Touge
Chas2, so in 3rd with the paddles you saw the rpm needle move smoothly up from where every you started till near 6k ?. In my case what happened is the rpm needle doesn't move for a sec at 5k, but the speed of the car is increasing. I wonder if it's something I can bring up to the dealer. Hmm
I tried it again tonight, but there was too much traffic to get much past 5K, so I cannot say I have done it twice and failed to reproduce your symptoms, but I did not feel like there would have been a hitch. Temp tonight was 24, yesterday night was 16, if that makes a difference. Roads were dry and newly repaved this late summer, fall.
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Originally Posted by Touge
Thanks Chas2 for testing. I'm lost on what I should do about the issue.
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Originally Posted by Touge
Thanks Chas2 for testing. I'm lost on what I should do about the issue.
I have to admit that I have had more fun the last three days trying to reproduce your symptom in 2nd and 3rd gear! Still have not been able to reproduce it, but I love the car running in the 4-6K range!
#16
Burning Brakes
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bluemule, I wasn't able to find much other than a tsb on the '05's where they was a reprogram available I think for 4th gear. Do you by any chance have a link with more info ?.
I have a '06 so I assume that I would not need that tsb.
I have a '06 so I assume that I would not need that tsb.
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I'll try to reproduce this, too, this weekend as I'm (mercifully!) not on call. I haven't noticed that, and I drive in a spirited fashion.
EDIT: HERE is the previous discussion describing this hesitation, with simpler instructions on how to reproduce it. HTH!
EDIT: HERE is the previous discussion describing this hesitation, with simpler instructions on how to reproduce it. HTH!
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Originally Posted by Fabvsix
My RDX paddle shifters shift quickly and so does my 07 MDX. Could that have improved it on the 07 RL's ?
#19
Burning Brakes
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Thanks for the thread Bob. I'm glad to know other people have experienced it. For a moment there I thought I was going crazy.
Also there is a rev-limter function in park which will not allow you to rev over 5k, but that is not what I am experiencing. That 5k limit in park is normal on all RL's.
Also there is a rev-limter function in park which will not allow you to rev over 5k, but that is not what I am experiencing. That 5k limit in park is normal on all RL's.
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I just tried it this morning with my warmed up engine.
With manual mode, in third gear, the needle rises smoothly until just over 5k rpm, then pauses for a millisecond, then continues its ascent. The engine sounds no different and acceleration continues during that pause. Not sure it's anything significant.
With manual mode, in third gear, the needle rises smoothly until just over 5k rpm, then pauses for a millisecond, then continues its ascent. The engine sounds no different and acceleration continues during that pause. Not sure it's anything significant.
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I went out early this morning to give it a go with the 5K rpm issue. As noted in the thread, It happens in manu-shift mode, 3rd gear, 5000rpm to 5300rpm, the rockets up to 6000rpm
Very very strange. Tried it again in auto mode and the RL shot up to 6500rpm before shifting to 4th gear.
Is there a fix for this....I sure hope so..
Very very strange. Tried it again in auto mode and the RL shot up to 6500rpm before shifting to 4th gear.
Is there a fix for this....I sure hope so..
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