BlueCLS6

I'm impressed with the nice smooth power delivery. I still wonder why mine had the massive blip at the IMRC switch. You are getting close to what the GT35 can offer as far as flow. VERY nice job, great tune... I am jealous as I have close to the same parts. I am also surprised you are getting no? slipping of the clutch with that much torque going through it? Mine often slips in 3rd/4th gear runs (stock clutch). Maybe I should upgrade to the Comptech setup as well...

Accord_V6_400m

iTrader: (1)

Thats amazing!

What kind of wheel/tire setup do you have/plan to get?

Can't wait to see how 5150's TT kit compares with this

ACCURATEin

ding ding ding! we've got a winner!

any 1/4 mile runs?

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

Thanks Blue- It's taken some time to get it this far. On the dyno, no clutch slip, however, if I'm on the open road and slamming gears without letting the pressure plate make a full engagement, I get slip. If I slow the shift down some and let the PP engage then nail it, no slip. The disk has close to 20000 miles on it. I beleive with a fresh PP and a different disk design, such as a 6 puck, it should engage fine. I've been contemplating trying the spec clutch route out of despertation.

I've have nothing but good things to say about the comptech flywheel and clutch, it was a definite improvement over stock. I wish they would have worked on a pressure plate as well.

Ruf87 .. glad to see your still lurking about.

accordv6, stock wheels and tire size, jury's still out on upgrade to bigger at this point. Would like to see ronjon come back out with the 3 peice wheel again. Missed the boat on that one a while back.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

FYI Comptech states their clutch is not designed to handle any extra power over the stock clutch.

allmotor_2000

Nice! I knew the kit was capable of this and more... I am jealous you can boost 10psi without any issues - I could barely touch 7psi.

Keep up the good work, let's see 500!

allmotor_2000

BTW, are you running the stock crank pulley with the Comptech clutch/flywheel?

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

While I tend to agree with you, the comptech setup is still an improvement over stock. That's all I said, I didn't say it handled extra power over the stock clutch. The lighter flywheel aids in the quickness of engine revs, that is what I enjoy. The stock flywheel is dual mass with a solid hub clutch disk, while the comptech unit is a solid aluminum flywheel, with steel insert, with a sprung hub disk. I've had nothing but good times with it.





Hey Ram, haven't seen you about in a while. Thanks, it's been a slow process working this thing up there. As for 500, that might be possible with some other changes, such as throttle body work and some porting, but that's pretty envolved. The shop that tuned said it could be tweaked some more, into the mid 470whp range.

Towards the end of the pulls, he started pulling some timing at the top, and it made more power, I pretty much said leave it as it is, that's good enough. Besides, 25 pulls started making me nervous, but the motor seemed to ok. Getting a wiff of the exhaust after every run, it smelled like a tight motor, no oil smells or the smell of death that happens when things turn south. It pulls like a monster and if you saw the video, no miss fires like you were experiencing, notice the boost gauge working it's way up.

I'm running the stock pulley as there needs to be some dampning on the motor.

allmotor_2000

It's always good to see this monster up and running. Keep the timing as-is, you don't want to advance too much. At those power levels, even a hint of detonation is disastrous!

I have been travelling quite a bit - across the Pacific 7 times this year already! I am off to Korea on Sunday. Just trying to fix these subtle issues with my car... misfires.

By the way, I got into the UCLA Anderson's MBA program

Bobbydoedoe

didn't allmotor got like 600whp with his TT 6speed cls?

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Congrats on the MBA program admission!

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

I'm confused???? This is a 6mt right? Cause those are supposed to dyno in 4th gear, not 3rd.

Was this tuned with results from 3rd or 4th gear pulls?

Or is this an auto?

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

If you look one graph is for 3rd and the second is for 4th.

6MTpromises

I was curious about that too...what were the best numbers from the 4th gear pulls??

mattg

^ 464 Whp

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

Ok I saw that, but I was wondering if the tuning of it was done from the results of the 3rd or 4th gear pulls?

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

Yes, this is a 6 speed. It was tuned with a combination of 3rd and 4th gear pulls. Look at the graph and you will see runfile_005, 006, and 007, as well as this file below, these were 3rd gear pulls to work on the afr. 3rd gear is not as hard on the motor as the long 4th gear pull is. There were 3rd gear pulls up file 14. These pulls below are the highest whp we got out of 3rd gear and the torque numbers sucessfully showed up on these.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Well based off that your torque in a 4th gear pull should be about 371 ft-lbs.

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

naa, easily 390ish to 400

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

insane, id like to see some track numbers, cant wait to see what it looks like with that new build ;]

Titand19

good shit

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

I'm not expecting fantastic track numbers. Traction in 1st, 2nd, and maybe even 3rd must be very tricky.

blk2001tlon19s

I believe he has the apexi avc-r boost controller which you can set the psi per gear(i think) ...at least I thought you could and if so, could run lower boost in 1nd & 2nd depending on what spring he has in his wastegate however like you said Steve, with that much power he might even have problems with traction once he's in 3rd also. Would be very interesting to see.

Joe5.0

Drag radials at a minimum, and full slicks would be best. You dont have to do a crazy launch either, but they'll help a ton.

BTW awesome dyno, i'm jealous.

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

with those kind of numbers, i'd be wondering how much the transmission, driveshaft, axles, and differentials can actually take.

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

There's definetly a lot of pro's and con's to go with this power. I do have the Apexi electronic boost controller and have set the gear judge to my specified boost. It's pretty tricky to set up, and I spent a lot of time reading the instructions over and over and playing with the settings, and comparing the results to the instructions, as the translation is odd. Once you get it, it's quite simple acutally. That has to be the best mod I added to this setup, it gives me much greater controll of where I want to boost, when I want to boost, how much to boost and easily turn it off and cruise on the 4.6 psi spring when running cheaper gas. I don't have to mess with changing the wastegate spring everytime I want to increase or decrease boost. That is a hassle.

The way I have it set, my 1st and 2nd gear is not as bad as the supercharger was, I see well below 3psi in those gears. It's still not easy to manipulate, but not impossible, it involves part throttle going into 2rd with wot barely happening at all with my street tires in that gear. I'm sure at the track it will be a little different as the track is sticky. Third gear is not a problem either as most of the boost shows up at 4000rpm and I'm already rollin. Look at the graph, it's a very linear power curve and all the boost does not come on at 3000rpm like allmotors setup did, It's a gradual onset of boost because of the boost controller. I do want to work on 4th gear and have all the boost on by VTEC crossover.

As for drivetrain, the tranny will do fine, the axels will not. Something in the works for that now. If I mistreat it off the line with slicks , goodby axels, motor mounts, tranny mounts, and who knows what else. The clutch sucks as when your moving through the gears swiftly, and you don't let it have time to engage before load is applied, it will slip. the hotter it gets, the slip happens. It is a old pressure plate and disk, eventually, something will be in the works for that as well.

In the meantime though, it's just bad-ass. Cruising on the freeway and nail it, it's nothing but quick. The power delivery after the tune is soo much smoother than it was before. It's a great toy and if people can, worth the effort to do.

Oh, mclarenf3387 , thanks for hosting those vids, I meant to thank you sooner, but thanks!

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

So you're using the Apexi and E-Manage together? Interesting setup.

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

They work independantly of each other. The apexi only has 6 wires to connect to the ecu and although they (apexi) doesn't have a vehical specific application for our car, you just study the cl ecu pin out and attach the apexi wires to the proper pin. They are Power, RPM, 2 grounds, throttle signal, and speed signal. It doesn't conflict with the emanage at all.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Good to know.

brianlin87

iTrader: (1)

very very impressive.

PPLAPW

Very impressive numbers........
Now your fast looking CL really is fast. I'm sure you'll get underestimated when you

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

Thanks for the props, and it is fun being underestimated. I'm going back to a different tuner this Friday, one that is more versed in emanage than the prior tuner. Lujanmotorsports here in miami is going to give it a try. Lujan is more geared towards the SRT and the SRT guys have embraced the emanage as there choice of control over the tune of their cars than most other systems. He has quite the reputation as a tuner, and he said he could iron out my afr, we'll see. More to come on that later.

teh CL

iTrader: (1)

sweet mother of god

roddymerritt

So thinjim are there no upgradable tranny parts or have you not oppted to get any?

poisx7

iTrader: (1)

i am sure there is got to be a swappable transmission one can adapt to our cars, i know the tremec is out but how abt a trans from a a alfa or the fwd bonneville i think its got a tremec in it

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

The only upgradeable tranny parts are a flywheel and disk from comptech which I have i the car. Spec clutch makes something they say is an upgraded pressure plate, but I have my reservations on that. The jurys still out on that one as I know of no one who is using one in the cls.

As for adapting another tranny to the CL, I'd say no. To many things to convert to make it worthwhile, axels, knukle etc.

SIRSIG

why does the first shop you went with couldn't flatten it out? can you tell us why a/f is like that? sorry, just curious...

DaInFaMMuS1

gotdamn that this is sick....why does your motor rock so much in the video though?

ThinJim

iTrader: (3)

Don't really know why he didn't/couldn't flatten it out. His specialty is AEM stand alone,. The tune is safe, just not to perfection as I want. He did 27 freakin pulls, that's about 15-17 more than I ever want to do again in one sitting.




464whp/390ish..torque....shitty motor mount system. That's a brand new mount that I suspect is toast.

ghost_masterCL

I'd stop after 9 or 10 with that kind of power.

I don't know if this would help the CLS guys, but 02AV6 has filled his motor mounts with plyeurethane and let it dry, as well as putting in that engine damper. Might want to look into that thinjim... if you haven't already.