AmooManiaK

Didn't know Acura had THIS MANY recalls for this car???

From http://www.alldata.com/TSB/01/01012332.html

Bulletins for 2001 Acura CL TYPE S V6-3210cc 3.2L SOHC

General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 03-017 SEP 03 Campaign - PCM/Fuel Pressure Regulator Update

Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 04-008 MAR 04 Navigation System - Operational Malfunctions
01-041 FEB 04 Engine - V6 Engine Oil Leaks
04-004 FEB 04 Computers/Controls - HIM Module Updating
01-026 JAN 04 Engine Controls - ECM/PCM Reprogramming
00-037 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake Disc Refinishing Guideline
03-029 OCT 03 Brakes - Brake System Lamp Comes ON/Goes Off
03-028 OCT 03 Navigation System - Incorrectly Displays Phone Numbers
91-050 SEP 03 Interior - Seat Belt(s) Slow to Retract
03-015 AUG 03 Audio System - Remote Controls Don't Work Properly
98-005 JUL 03 Drivetrain - Revised CV Joint Boot Band/Installation
97-040 MAY 03 Keyless Entry - Description/Identification/Programming
01-017 MAY 03 Brakes - Pedal/Steering Wheel Vibrate When Braking
00-019 APR 03 Antitheft System - Type 2 System Operation/Programming
03-010 MAR 03 Engine Controls/Emissions - DTC's & Monitors
03-006 MAR 03 Engine Controls - Idle Speed Inspection
03-003 FEB 03 Interior - Power Seat Rail Synchronization Update
03-001 JAN 03 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC P1457 (EVAP) Set
02-020 AUG 02 Air Bag System - Occupant Position Sensor Initialization
02-015 JUL 02 Air Bag System - SRS Lamp ON/DTC's Set
02-012 MAY 02 Clutch Master Cylinder - Fluid Leakage
02-006 MAR 02 Front Seat Back Panel - Loose/Detached
02-005 FEB 02 Emissions - EVAP System Testing and Diagnostics
96-025 DEC 01 Navigation System - Component Exchange Program
99-041 NOV 01 Navigation System/A/C - Operation/Testing
01-031 SEP 01 Lighting - Road Lamp Bulbs Burned Out
99-051 AUG 01 Exhaust - Muffler Paint Peeling
00-037 AUG 01 Brake Disc - Refinishing Guidelines
01-004 JUL 01 Wipers - Smear or Streak the Windshield
00-009 DEC 00 New Models - Feature Information
00-032 NOV 00 Moonroof - Squeaks from Moonroof Seal
00-025 AUG 00 Body - Windshield Molding Deformed
99-041 FEB 00 TQI OF THE DVD NAVIGATION SYSTEM

soopa

TSB's, not recalls.


And yes, their a good thing. It is admirable when a car manufacturer recognizes and fixes their problems.


You'll find the same patterns with most vehicles if you look up their TSB record. If you don't, then the manufacturer is hiding something.

Red-CL

Beat me to it Soopa.

AmooManiaK

Yeah, it's one thing to have these, it's another issue about fixing them. You mean to tell me that if I went to my dealership with this list and told them I had problems with this stuff, they would fix it?

They wouldn't even touch the rotors and it's on that list!

BC2G

wait, so if its a TSB does the warranty cover it? i just had my rotors replaced by the dealership because they were warped, they charged me $180 ... should it have been covered?!

AmooManiaK

Yes it should have, but the dealer told me that they only resurface and replace brake pads on newer cars (I'm still covered under Acura warranty). I showed it to Lexus, with whom I purchased the extended warranty and they did it no questions asked.

Again, it's one thing to say there's something wrong, it's another thing fixing it. There are actually a few things on there (wipers) that have problems. I bet the dealership would blame it on the icebox.

Slimey

Doesn't anyone use the search button anymore? This is the whole reason boards like this exist. Fucking jebus!

There are probably over 200 threads on the rotor TSB. Some dealers seem to cover it, some don't, some good-will it. If your dealer does not, find one that does, or bitch and moan to them about the TSB.

AmooManiaK

And I wasn't just talking about the rotors, I'm talking about that whole list.

Red-CL

They do fix them. Every problem on that list I had they fixed it.

The brakes are another story. They are a "wear and tear" item. If it looks like you abused them, they will deny you service.

soopa

Unfortunately, not all dealers are created equal.


Good practice is to print out a TSB and bring it along with you to the dealer. If you are indeed affected by the TSB and they refuse to fix the problem then simply place a call to Acura Client Services and/or find a new dealership of choice.

soopa

Good point.

AmooManiaK

Yeah, I remember when I first bought the car I read the TSB on the rotors on here and that's when I printed it. A week or too later I felt slight vibrations in the pedal and steering wheel and the service manager told me they wouldn't fix it even though he had the TSB right in front of him.

I know it's not all dealers who won't do the work, but if just ONE of them who won't do it then he's doing something wrong. It's like losing a lawsuit and saying "Screw the judge, I'm still not paying." I emailed Acura when this happend, there was no response, I called them and the guy didn't even know anything about a TSB.

AmooManiaK

Oh come on, it was an older lady who owned the car before me. Brakes on a $30K + car shouldn't last 40K miles, especially not when an older lady is driving it. That's no excuse to deny it. They should have to PROVE that it was abused, but they wouldn't even take a look at it.

Ant7701

Not too be a dick or anything but when was the last time u saw an old lady stop for every little crack in the road. abusing ur brakes doesn't always mean beating the shit outta the car and flooring it and shit.

lfalla

I have another one to add to the pile, sorry for the length & rant. I have an 03 cl with navi. This is my third Acura and I have never had a problem with brakes until this one. It all started 400 miles after I picked up the car. I brought it back for pulsation. They cut the rotors, as soon as I picked up the car and saw the work order I was amazed. I couldn't believe that they didn't replace the rotors on a car with such little miles. Then I was around 10,000 (have to look at service order not far off though) and I brought it to a different dealer because of the first incident and they replaced the rotors, after I advised of the previous incident.
Next I reach 16,000 and guess what's happening again, yup, pulsation. I then took it in again to the second dealer and they cut the rotors this time. I then had to ask, what could be causing this; they told me they were not sure. That is when I said you know this is my third time in 16,000 miles and I am concerned because I know there has to be a problem; my driving habits and patterns have not changed and this issue never occurred on the previous Acura’s. Then they advised me to contact client services. I said ok, thinking that would help to have it documented. I then slacked and didn't call right away. I then hit 17,000 miles and guess what the pulsating was back. One thousand miles after getting them done. I then called client services and said I am bringing my car in for the brakes again and this will be my fourth time in 17,000 miles and I then gave him the history. I went to the dealer and told them what was happening, and that I was hear 1,000 miles ago. They then replaced the front rotors and cut the rear ones. Then the last event for me was tonight when after much phone tag, I finally spoke to the client services rep. He then proceeded to advise me that Acura will no longer cover this, unless there are stress cracks, caliper seizure, or pad failure, he also stated that the dealers had not documented the problems correctly. His next statement was that any future occurrences (not including the above listed would have to be abuse.) I know some may think that but 400 miles, 1,000 miles, I feel like somebody would need to drive with their foot on the brake at all times for this to happen. This is a leased car and I am not planning on keeping it after these brake issues. It’s just frustrating because I barely drive the car, it will have 18,000 miles when 2 years of ownership comes around. It’s a leased car and I do not plan on keeping it after these problems. I just don’t want to have to pour money into a car that I am not going to keep.

Let me know what options you think I have
(I would trade the car in now if I could, just don’t want to get hammered at a dealer)