after dinner a few weeks ago my friend and I lined up at a light. He was in his Z and I was in the s2k w/the top down. There was no traffic ahead of us for a good distance and no side streets or driveways for other cars to come out. The light turns green and I pull about a car off of him. By the top of 1st i've pulled another half car on him. Then I shift into 2nd and pull some more on him. I end up taking it up to about mid 3rd gear w/me about 3 cars ahead. I would have theoretically pulled even more on him w/the top up. Afterwards he hopped on the freeway and proceeded straight. At the next light a kid in a white accord pulled next to me all excited he says "man!! you smoked that Z nasty!! I'm gonna tell all my friends!!" kid sounded like he just got laid for the first time.


weird thing about the race was I totally thought the Z would pull on me because of the superior low and mid end torque. The s2k pulls way too hard on the top end though.

 

Great run Arnold! What mods do you have in your s2k again?

 

Yeah, what do you have on your S? I've raced a Z in my S and killed him because I had the S/C. :o

 

ohh hell yeah, I've had my ass handed to me by an S2k on the top end... ~70+ and I'm toast(pre N20 of course).

I too am suprised you were able to take him on the low end though.

nice run.

 

Arnold can drive but his friend can't

 

Both cars are pretty much stock. All I have in the s2k is a cai.

Yeah, my buddy isn't the best driver. He's practicing though. He is a former cls owner and member of the board. I'll keep his identity secret just in case he's embarrassed.

 

Nice kill.

Go Honda!

 

you've already said too much, spill the beans.

 

nice kill

honda>nissan

 

Nice Kill, I'd put my money on the Z 9 out of 10 times. The S is very difficult to launch and most people can not drive the car to its potential. As a matter of fact I have yet to see one crack 96 mph at the track - everyone either bogs off the line- blows the tires away, or just doesn't launch at anything more then idle.

 

to be honest w/you, the s2k is easier to launch IMO. The Z has a lot more torque down low so its easier to just sit in the hole smoking tire. The s2k you can just rev up to 6-7k and pop the clutch and you're out of there.

 

nice kill dood

 

nice kill good race....

 

 

350 is much easier to get a good launch than the S.

 

the Z auto or stick?

 

Im pretty sure the Z is stick.

 

Dude- you an not just rev up any car to 6-7 K and dump the clutch. Getting a good track time takes alot more skill then just reving the piss out of your engine and dumping the clutch.

Oh, and the low end torque helps to keep the Z from bogging when you launch. Does this make sense to anyone?? If torque is what gets you up and moving.. thats why when an S2K boggs it is done- not enough torque to recover...result low mph 1/4.

 

Agree, but actually between 6-7k is the best place to properly launch a N/A S2000. I launch my S/C S around 3500, and that work good too without to much traction loss.

 

You've obviously never driven an s2k. I agree that most cars don't launch well by doing that maneuver but the s2k responds well to this technique, you've got to remember the s2k has no low end torque to speak of, all the power is up top.

I agree that torque will usually help on a launch but it can also be a detriment if you can't hook up and are just sitting in the hole spinning. Now on the Z if you have the traction control on it even makes it worse since it'll start to kill the power due to the tcs. You definitely need technique to launch the Z well or else you'll just sit in the hole spinning.

 

Yeah, torque cen be very detrimental if you have a heavy foot. . It's the reason I'm going to be out a few hundred for another set of 275's- May try DR's this time.

As for launching the S, I have never driven one- just watch people at the track. I just can not see how dumping the clutch at 6K( not arguing about the rpms, just the idea of dumping it) does anything but spin the tires. Hell, a Metro would even blow the tires away if you dump it high enough. If you feathered it or you ride the clutch out from 6K it will work but dumping the clutch means just letting it fly up= wheel spin.

 

Well, one thing you have to keep in mind is that the s2k makes a measly 150lb/ft of torque at a super high 7500rpm. So you really need to get some revs to see any torque at all. I'd bet that the toque at 6k isn't much more than that Metro. That's why its so surprising that the car can move so quickly w/out much torque, hence the nickmane "the torqueless wonder". Heck, my s4 feels more torquey off idle. So the super-low torque matched w/extremely sticky for stock bridgestone s02's allows you to launch at a high rpm w/out sitting in the hole. Granted, you will lose some tire but you'll be pulling fairly well vs. just sitting in the hole. I've personally only done that 6k clutch drop about 2 or 3 times. I personally will rev to about 4800 and feather the clutch. 6k clutch drops always made me feel uneasy about the poor rear end and driveshaft.

 

most s2k's that get launched hard often to likr high 13 sec 1/4 miles usually have to replace their clutches often

 

I know who was driving!! I've heard some horror stories in regards to his manual driving skills too!! LOL!

 

shhh!! quiet foo!! nobody is supposed to know who the Z owner is.

 

Ok , thanks for clearign things up for me. I couldnt' imagine dumping the clutch in my car and going anywhere. As it is, if I punch it at anything less then a 40mph roll I'm all over the road.

 

haha. ya, that's because you have torque.

 

I didn't mention any names..??

 

lol- the (96-98) 4.6 is the torqueless wonder of V-8's. With all my mods I still doubt I have 290 RWTQ. I'm prob around 285RWHP/TQ. I need to geta dyno with my new and improved chip to see whee I'm at.

 

Compared to the S2k you're the torque MONSTER. It has 150 torque at the fly, right? What does equate to... like 110rwtq? Hahaha....

 

yea but stock for stock an s2k would walk a 96-98 gt:o

 

As have I. Not too embarrassing, but a little :o .

 

350z vs s2k is a drivers race. i've beaten a few, and been beaten by a few (street races). each time it was closer than what you mentioned...3 car lengths means bad launch/driver/etc...from a roll I usually win.

 

That sounds asinine... But I know those torquey monsters have to be tach'd up to get anywhere.... How long do you think your drivetrain will take beatings like that? Anyway, did anyone else hear that the new S2K's redline has been lowered to 7800 to make it more practical for daily applications? LOL...

 

both cars are pretty close, i think the s2000 can do 0 to 60 in 5.4 secodns where the Z does it in 5.5, so i guess its in the driver. i personally like the 350Z. its bigger , it looks better, bigger inside, and a bigger motor for more torque.