Taking a 90-turn at 60mph on a ramp rated at 35 is not a problem for CL-S.

Why people complain too much about CL-S roll problem. Please could you define what is a real roll-problem? I guess what I think is the real problem is CL-S could understeer and go off-road when taking a hard corner at high speed. Or, maybe, as one has mentioned, going off the gas on a hard turn may lead to an oversteer....

What do you think?


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Bare Bone Stock Type-S. Plenty of accessories. PIAA 19169 to be installed soon.

 

We have bad roll, it was the only thing I disliked about my CL. I would get in my wifes 240 and fly around corners. Shit, changing lanes in my CL at high speeds you had to fight it. Its 100% better now that I have comptechs. I think I am still gonna get Konis though.


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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Nose Mask/Mud Guards/Wheel locks/
Comptech Springs & Filter/PIAA 1969/20% Tint/Acura lettering removed/
12in Sub with AMP/Dynomated Trunk/Sub control under dash/
Clifford G4 Solaris Alarm

 

My last car, a 1998 Sebring LXi, handled great! It weighed a little less, but sat lower. Body roll is the only issue I have with CL-S other than those damn annoying rattles and no telescopic steering wheel.

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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

Wheel Locks/35% Tint/Splash Guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 filter/Mobil 1 5W-30 oil & filter

[This message has been edited by MikeN (edited 01-16-2001).]

 

Body roll is what makes you feel like your organs are going to shoot out of the side of your body when taking a hard turn. It's also what makes a car feel much larger and bulkier than it is, in my opinion.

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

 

I have heard that those cars rattle like hell.



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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Nose Mask/Mud Guards/Wheel locks/
Comptech Springs & Filter/PIAA 1969/20% Tint/Acura lettering removed/
12in Sub with AMP/Dynomated Trunk/Sub control under dash/
Clifford G4 Solaris Alarm

 

My Sebring did rattle like hell because of all the plastic body parts (trying to copy Pontiac). That's one of the many reasons I UPGRADED to the Acura, but it rattles too (moonroof, passenger seat, center console, etc.).

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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

Wheel Locks/35% Tint/Splash Guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 filter/Mobil 1 5W-30 oil & filter

 

Basically to stop the body roll u have to
get springs and sway bars correct??

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2001 typeS sundancegold
no mods yet
just bought

 

I agree with you on steady state cornering (like an Interstate on ramp) the CLS demands respect. However, when body roll becomes a problem in the CLS is side to side transition. Like in an S curve, double apex corner, or high speed land change.

 

I know this might be difficult but to see when body roll is not a problem take a ride if you can in a CL that has springs and sways. Take it to that same scenario curve you mentioned above and note the difference. As already pointed out what seemed like a heavy inertia prone car will now seem light and responsive. True it is that the CL can never be confused with a sports car. But you can get much closer if you go with springs n sways.



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01 CL Type-S, White\Black\Navi\Comptech Springs+Sways\Burl Shifter\Guards\Smokers Package

 

You should accpet the criticism of the car. Hey we are all CL owners here, but the car is not exactly perfect, right? I love my car in many many ways, but I feel that the car has way too much body roll. I think that the problem can be remedied qucikly with Sway bars. Just a thought....

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2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

 

Then the question will beg to get answered: We bought a CL Type-S, top of the line in CL that is supposed to be tuned to the best the car can provide.

If adding comptech springs and sways will >>greatly<< or at least noticably enhance the safety, stability, and high-performance handling of the car, then why Acura did not offer stiffer sways, and lower springs on Type-S?

One can mention, weight and ride quality. Cost I guess will be marginal at best.

And sice CL is provided in CL-P and CL-S those who will complain aboud the harsh ride can get a CL-P, right?

If not why Acura do not offer those comptech as factory installed options? If Acura will do so, it will greatly enhace its customer appeal.

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Bare Bone Stock Type-S. Plenty of accessories. PIAA 19169 to be installed soon.

 

I like the CL-S how it is... I know a couple people that have springs and shocks and if you ask them enough times they will finally admit that it is no fun to drive the car on bad roads after getting them installed. I live pretty much in the city and of all the driving I do about 70% of it is done on roads that are in pretty bad shape. I was surprised by how firm the ride was when I first got the car, but I accepted it as the car does handle pretty well when turning. I wouldn't however want it to be any firmer than it is, no matter how much better the car would handle.

So to answer your question, I think even though the CL-S is the "sport tuned" version of the CL, they still have to market it to a diverse group of people and the best way to do that is by doing things in moderation. So they picked a point in the suspension that provides good handling but not so much that ride quality over rough roads is unbarable.



[This message has been edited by beestea (edited 01-16-2001).]

 

beestea's right. the cl-s is marketed to a larger group of people. i think what we're finding on this board are some enthusiasts that just want to make the car handle better and are willing to forgo a bit of the "luxury" ride for better responsiveness...agreed? i know i am!!!

damn...now i gotta save up for sways!!!

 

It's clear to me--there should have been 3 levels of CL (that's really not too much to ask for):

1. CL-P
2. CL-S
3. CL-R

And R should come with a lower ride height, stiffer shocks, stiffer sway bars and maybe free-flow headers. (and, truthfully, a CL-R would have a manual and RWD). But, even in FWD form, this car would have put up one hell of a fight against the BMW 330.

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

 

How about just adding sways but leave in the stock springs/shocks??

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Silver CL type S, upgraded cupholder, PIAA-19169, 3 coats Zaino and a pinch of salt

 

Yeah there is lot of body roll on the car I,ve noticed..The handling on this car is not all that but i still LOVE IT...

 

The springs do decrease the body-roll, but I would imagine that the sways (especially with the rears being 120% stiffer than stock) would completely remove any roll. Can I get a ride from someone in the San Diego area who has the sways+springs?

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2001 Acura CL Type-S Satin Silver/Ebony
Debadged, PIAA Roadlamps, M-11 Turn signals, Comptech Headers, Comptech Springs, custom intake

 

Problem is if you stiffen the ride, you're gonna get rattles. Mine is pretty quiet except for the passenger seat, which isn't locked down tight unless some ass is in it. If I do anything it will be sways.....don't want or need any stiffer than it is. Didn't want a track car....been there done that, and on city streets stiff sucks.

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CL-S Sundance Gold, TR Typhoon Wheels, Solaris 9005, guards, nose mask, V-1 & remote.
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I would imagine Acura would not sell a car that had any kind of “bottoming out” issues right from the factory.

Someone with springs answer me this question.

Have you ever had (3) passengers and a few items in the trunk at the same time?
How does the car ride and what happens when you hit a dip in the road at speed?

Shawn S


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JZ youre right on that one ...note my sig ...springs sways and headers tuned to 290,mybe manual or just an upgrade SS with firmer shifts and complete control and wha-la...typeR

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I too have owned the proverbial ox cart. I would be really interested in your opinions after adding the sways alone. I was thinking of doing the same but wasn't sure what would get compromised in the process.



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Rex -
'01 CL Type S - Satin Silver, Navi, BBS RK
Lic: THX CBOE

 

bc - The springs have made the ride stiffer, but I haven't noticed any rattles. When adding sways, I would think that would make your ride stiffer also, espcially when you run on bumpy roads.

Shawn - I had 3 people in my car and since I didn't see it at night, I went through a dip at about 25-30mph. No scratch and I didn't bottom-out. The car sprung up pretty quick...this was the first time I actually could tell these springs are progressive.

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2001 Acura CL Type-S Satin Silver/Ebony
Debadged, PIAA Roadlamps, M-11 Turn signals, Comptech Headers, Comptech Springs, custom intake

 

OK after reading everything here, I'm understanding that sways will take car of the body roll and springs will stiffen the ride.

I don't have rattles at this point (all stock), so I think I would start with sways, see what that does, then consider springs (but I don't exactly what a stiffer ride, just to be able to handle those corners).

Quickly someone point me to the best sways (price point, Acura warrantable and installable if possible, no visible changes to external appearance, and work can be done in a day).

Can you tell I know nothing about this topic? I do know I need to tone down this body roll.

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Agreed! They also would have to find a way to drop 300 pounds and give the car better weight distribution.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech Headers
Comptech Springs
Muds
Wheel locks
35% Llumar metallic tint
Best 0-60. 6.08 Gtech Pro (Preheaders)

My Car

 

I think I'm in the same frame of mind as you, Ken.

Having driven a firm-riding, noisy, buzzing car for the last 7 years ('93 Probe GT), I appreciate the relative "softness" of the CL-S stock suspension. But then I am an old fart...

The stock CL body roll certainly bites, and if the sways help considerably I'll...er..."spring" for them for my CL-S.

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001 Silver CL Type S
Absolutely stock and ready to rock!

 

That wouldn't be hard if they used a manual--that alone would probably do it. Also, they could definately cut weight on the heavy power seats, sunroof etc. Some people probably wouldn't mind losing these.

It would've been hard, however, to decide between the performance of the type R and options like sunroof, power seats, leather etc. That could probably knock the weight down to like 3100lbs. What a screamer a type R like that would be though!!


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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!