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01-18-2005, 10:35 PM
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Actually the last kit sold very quickly... Titand19 - very good buyer and was patient while I removed it, packaged it and shipped it.
This kit (courtesy of experience, much better turbo and the introduction of the E-manage and extra injector), is significantly better, more reliable and makes more power...
This kit (courtesy of experience, much better turbo and the introduction of the E-manage and extra injector), is significantly better, more reliable and makes more power...
01-18-2005, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Actually the last kit sold very quickly... Titand19 - very good buyer and was patient while I removed it, packaged it and shipped it.
This kit (courtesy of experience, much better turbo and the introduction of the E-manage and extra injector), is significantly better, more reliable and makes more power...
This kit (courtesy of experience, much better turbo and the introduction of the E-manage and extra injector), is significantly better, more reliable and makes more power...
01-19-2005, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JaredGMS
Also, any idea whether a CL-s SC could be retrofitted for a CL-P?
01-19-2005, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mr5parkle
i think this has already been done by xxkrazixx or something. the guy in team illmatic with the sickest cl-p ever and direct port nitrous. i saw that car in real life. so nice.
01-19-2005, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by m&b6speed
thinjim i will be in contact with mike when i get back from vegas, and want to go ahead with the 3.5L swap and turbo. what type of turbo are you using thinjim? I can't find my turbo mag that had yours in it allmotor, what type did you use? what would you advise us on doing/not doing since obviously you have the turbo set up already
01-19-2005, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
The kit would be the same for the CL-P and the CL-S... albeit all CL-P's are automatic. The kit should be up and running by the end of Feb I hope! There really is only one place to position a large turbo... soem Accord guys put a non-oil cooled turbo near the cat... but that's flimsy.
I am sure ThinJim will end up mounting his turbo at pretty much the same spot as ours... the exact bends might differ slightly, but the general manifold will be very similar. His motor is built, so I would expect much more power than the measly 419whp @ 5.8psi..!!
Either way, all this stuff is good for ours cars and the CL community!
I am sure ThinJim will end up mounting his turbo at pretty much the same spot as ours... the exact bends might differ slightly, but the general manifold will be very similar. His motor is built, so I would expect much more power than the measly 419whp @ 5.8psi..!!
Either way, all this stuff is good for ours cars and the CL community!
01-19-2005, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinJim
I mentioned you to him, it's your call. good luck in Vegas! lucky dawg.
hopefully i will be lucky!! maybe i'll win some money to lessen the blow on the turbo build up!
when i get back I will call and get this thing started. maybe we can have some friendly east coast/west coast turbo cl battles!!
01-19-2005, 05:51 PM
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7000 wow .. dont expect these things to fly.
im totally with you for making a turbo kit ...
but 7000 ... can you please explain where you are coming up with this figure.
Because from what I see I could do something similar for a lot cheaper
Bosch 440/550cc Injectors - 200
T3T4 - 500
Custom Headers/Manifold - 600
Tial Wastegate - 250
Custom piping tig welded for turbo and wastegate etc etc - 300 MAX
HKS SS - 275
Greddy Emanage - 600 (around there right?)
Autometer Boost Gauge - 50 Dollars
All lines - 50 Dollars
Hardware - 50 Dollars MAX
Custom 3" Turbo Back Exhaust - 500 Dollars from Miami Muffler
So lets add all this up
We are lookg at around 3500 dollars. Lets also add 800 dollars for miscellaneous stuff (ie. new oil and other over looked stuff).
Grand total 4300 dollars. All the prices I said were on the high end too. Y ou can typically knock off a bunch of cash if you look in the right place or know the right people/
Im not ragging on you at all, im all for a turbokit ... but for 7g ... thats just a wee bit much
im totally with you for making a turbo kit ...
but 7000 ... can you please explain where you are coming up with this figure.
Because from what I see I could do something similar for a lot cheaper
Bosch 440/550cc Injectors - 200
T3T4 - 500
Custom Headers/Manifold - 600
Tial Wastegate - 250
Custom piping tig welded for turbo and wastegate etc etc - 300 MAX
HKS SS - 275
Greddy Emanage - 600 (around there right?)
Autometer Boost Gauge - 50 Dollars
All lines - 50 Dollars
Hardware - 50 Dollars MAX
Custom 3" Turbo Back Exhaust - 500 Dollars from Miami Muffler
So lets add all this up
We are lookg at around 3500 dollars. Lets also add 800 dollars for miscellaneous stuff (ie. new oil and other over looked stuff).
Grand total 4300 dollars. All the prices I said were on the high end too. Y ou can typically knock off a bunch of cash if you look in the right place or know the right people/
Im not ragging on you at all, im all for a turbokit ... but for 7g ... thats just a wee bit much
01-19-2005, 06:35 PM
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You're prices are WAY off, and the materials you listed are FAR less quality than what is on his car.
The T3T4 turbo is too small for the amount of air the J32 flows. Also, the Garrett ball bearing turbo used in his setup was perfectly matched to the J32 by Garrett.
The exhaust manifold is based upon Comptech headers. $1200 right there before you even go into fabrication.
E-manage requires a custom harness so make that about $800 or more. Also you'll need the fuel pressure regulator, $280 from Comptech. The autometer gauge used is $200 not $50. Add in a fuel pressure gauge, trim panel w/gauge pods.... etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure for under $5000 you could throw a kit together. But do you want it to perform like allmotor's kit? If you do spend the cash, don't be cheap. If you wanna go cheap buy the Comptech S/C and get nearly the same amount of power. (about 40whp less)
EDIT: You also didn't even include pricing for an intercooler
The T3T4 turbo is too small for the amount of air the J32 flows. Also, the Garrett ball bearing turbo used in his setup was perfectly matched to the J32 by Garrett.
The exhaust manifold is based upon Comptech headers. $1200 right there before you even go into fabrication.
E-manage requires a custom harness so make that about $800 or more. Also you'll need the fuel pressure regulator, $280 from Comptech. The autometer gauge used is $200 not $50. Add in a fuel pressure gauge, trim panel w/gauge pods.... etc. etc. etc.
I'm sure for under $5000 you could throw a kit together. But do you want it to perform like allmotor's kit? If you do spend the cash, don't be cheap. If you wanna go cheap buy the Comptech S/C and get nearly the same amount of power. (about 40whp less)
EDIT: You also didn't even include pricing for an intercooler
01-19-2005, 06:39 PM
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Here's allmotor's price break down:
Garrett GT35R (Ball-Bearing) Turbo
- Turbine: 0.82A/R, 68mm 84 Trim wheel
- Compressor: 0.70A/R, 82mm 56 Trim wheel
- Cost: $1400
Garrett High Efficienty Intercooler Core
- 8" x 16" x 3.5"
- Cost: $800
Tial/Garrett 38mm Wastegate
- 6.82psi spring
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Tial/Garrett Blow-off Valve
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Greddy E-Manage Engine Management System
- Cost: $500 w/ harness etc.
Comptech FPR
- Cost: $280
Techedge Wideband O2
- Cost: $350
RC Injectors (size TBD)
- Cost: $550
Walbro Fuel Pump
- Cost: $100
Electric Boost Guage (15psi)
- Cost: $185
Electric Fuel Pressure Guage (100psi)
- Cost: $210
Oil Feed/Return system (Earls)
- Cost: $150
Fuel Hoses/Fittings (Earls)
- Cost: $100
Intake Piping (2.5")
- Cost: $300 w/ clamps, couplers etc.
Turbo Manifold & Downpipe in Stainless Steel
- Cost: $1500
Misc Items (water-cooling etc.)
- Cost: $200
TOTAL: $6825.00 (Retail)
Garrett GT35R (Ball-Bearing) Turbo
- Turbine: 0.82A/R, 68mm 84 Trim wheel
- Compressor: 0.70A/R, 82mm 56 Trim wheel
- Cost: $1400
Garrett High Efficienty Intercooler Core
- 8" x 16" x 3.5"
- Cost: $800
Tial/Garrett 38mm Wastegate
- 6.82psi spring
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Tial/Garrett Blow-off Valve
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Greddy E-Manage Engine Management System
- Cost: $500 w/ harness etc.
Comptech FPR
- Cost: $280
Techedge Wideband O2
- Cost: $350
RC Injectors (size TBD)
- Cost: $550
Walbro Fuel Pump
- Cost: $100
Electric Boost Guage (15psi)
- Cost: $185
Electric Fuel Pressure Guage (100psi)
- Cost: $210
Oil Feed/Return system (Earls)
- Cost: $150
Fuel Hoses/Fittings (Earls)
- Cost: $100
Intake Piping (2.5")
- Cost: $300 w/ clamps, couplers etc.
Turbo Manifold & Downpipe in Stainless Steel
- Cost: $1500
Misc Items (water-cooling etc.)
- Cost: $200
TOTAL: $6825.00 (Retail)
01-19-2005, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Here's allmotor's price break down:
Garrett GT35R (Ball-Bearing) Turbo
- Turbine: 0.82A/R, 68mm 84 Trim wheel
- Compressor: 0.70A/R, 82mm 56 Trim wheel
- Cost: $1400
Garrett High Efficienty Intercooler Core
- 8" x 16" x 3.5"
- Cost: $800
Tial/Garrett 38mm Wastegate
- 6.82psi spring
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Tial/Garrett Blow-off Valve
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Greddy E-Manage Engine Management System
- Cost: $500 w/ harness etc.
Comptech FPR
- Cost: $280
Techedge Wideband O2
- Cost: $350
RC Injectors (size TBD)
- Cost: $550
Walbro Fuel Pump
- Cost: $100
Electric Boost Guage (15psi)
- Cost: $185
Electric Fuel Pressure Guage (100psi)
- Cost: $210
Oil Feed/Return system (Earls)
- Cost: $150
Fuel Hoses/Fittings (Earls)
- Cost: $100
Intake Piping (2.5")
- Cost: $300 w/ clamps, couplers etc.
Turbo Manifold & Downpipe in Stainless Steel
- Cost: $1500
Misc Items (water-cooling etc.)
- Cost: $200
TOTAL: $6825.00 (Retail)
Garrett GT35R (Ball-Bearing) Turbo
- Turbine: 0.82A/R, 68mm 84 Trim wheel
- Compressor: 0.70A/R, 82mm 56 Trim wheel
- Cost: $1400
Garrett High Efficienty Intercooler Core
- 8" x 16" x 3.5"
- Cost: $800
Tial/Garrett 38mm Wastegate
- 6.82psi spring
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Tial/Garrett Blow-off Valve
- Cost: $250 w/ flanges etc.
Greddy E-Manage Engine Management System
- Cost: $500 w/ harness etc.
Comptech FPR
- Cost: $280
Techedge Wideband O2
- Cost: $350
RC Injectors (size TBD)
- Cost: $550
Walbro Fuel Pump
- Cost: $100
Electric Boost Guage (15psi)
- Cost: $185
Electric Fuel Pressure Guage (100psi)
- Cost: $210
Oil Feed/Return system (Earls)
- Cost: $150
Fuel Hoses/Fittings (Earls)
- Cost: $100
Intake Piping (2.5")
- Cost: $300 w/ clamps, couplers etc.
Turbo Manifold & Downpipe in Stainless Steel
- Cost: $1500
Misc Items (water-cooling etc.)
- Cost: $200
TOTAL: $6825.00 (Retail)
To really have even more control of the boost,
add (1) boost controller, then don't forget:
ignition harness
injector harness
3bar map sensor
pressure sensor harness
e-manage support tool
then pay someone to install it and tune the goodies above
and finally... my secret purple electronic box,,,,, 750.00
no, it's not cheap and i doubt the above mentioned will be used in allmotors. but it is expensive and to really do it right, the inside of the motor should be addressed unless the turbo kit is built with low boost which would work fine on our motors and deliver a great punch. I'm of the opinion that nothing more than 400 at the wheels at most, which is a lot, or else you'd be asking for it.
I'd say allmotor has his hands full putting one together for an auto. good luck man!
01-19-2005, 07:52 PM
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i completely forgot about the FMIC bwahaha im stupid.
Anyways im not saying 7000 is completely absurd. Im just saying that it COULD be cheaper
Let me know how everything works out
Anyways im not saying 7000 is completely absurd. Im just saying that it COULD be cheaper
Let me know how everything works out
01-19-2005, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurleysurf24
i completely forgot about the FMIC bwahaha im stupid.
Anyways im not saying 7000 is completely absurd. Im just saying that it COULD be cheaper
Let me know how everything works out
Anyways im not saying 7000 is completely absurd. Im just saying that it COULD be cheaper
Let me know how everything works out
01-19-2005, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinJim
I'm of the opinion that nothing more than 400 at the wheels at most...
unless you're building an all out stripped down drag car.
but i guess someone has to do it.
01-19-2005, 08:53 PM
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i have one of those purple things.
01-19-2005, 09:36 PM
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Once you add the exhaust cutout, guage-pod, breaking parts and re-purchasing them... mistakes etc., it adds up!
The main difference between this kit and my previous kit were the following:
(1) Garrett GT35R vs. T3/T4 Turbo (+$800)
(2) E-Manage vs. ?? (+$600)
(3) Exhaust cut-out (+$350 including flange/piping)
(4) RC Injector/Harness/Bracket/Fittings/Hose (+$300)
Now, that's $2050 extra right there. Unless you do it yourself, you can NEVER get a manifold made for $600 in Stainless Steel. It's not a straightforward manifold.... it is VERY tight in there, so good luck!! The complete A-pipe, SS turbo mount and downpipe is easily $1500 once you already know what you are doing!
Look at the Z's kit... from Greddy, its around $7K with two cheap turbos and a LOT less power!
The main difference between this kit and my previous kit were the following:
(1) Garrett GT35R vs. T3/T4 Turbo (+$800)
(2) E-Manage vs. ?? (+$600)
(3) Exhaust cut-out (+$350 including flange/piping)
(4) RC Injector/Harness/Bracket/Fittings/Hose (+$300)
Now, that's $2050 extra right there. Unless you do it yourself, you can NEVER get a manifold made for $600 in Stainless Steel. It's not a straightforward manifold.... it is VERY tight in there, so good luck!! The complete A-pipe, SS turbo mount and downpipe is easily $1500 once you already know what you are doing!
Look at the Z's kit... from Greddy, its around $7K with two cheap turbos and a LOT less power!
01-19-2005, 09:50 PM
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so mclarenf3387 are you planning to do it in the future? Dang I seriously wish it was cheaper but that is true though. You have to pay a lot to play lol
01-19-2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by racersky
so mclarenf3387 are you planning to do it in the future? Dang I seriously wish it was cheaper but that is true though. You have to pay a lot to play lol
Maybe its time to take the CL (with a Turbo) to Pocono
01-19-2005, 10:21 PM
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I am very interested in the turbo set-up for the 6MT CL-S, in fact I have already purchased a few products and am in need of some others which I am hoping you guys can help me on.
I currrently have:
Garrett GT35/40R (same specs as allmotor)
Greddy E-manage w/ Support Tool
TiAL 38mm Wastegate & BOV w/ Flanges
What I really need is:
Turbo Manifold and Downpipe w/ turbo mount
Intercooler w/ Endtanks
Intake Plumbing
Also may be interested in E-manage PnP Harness
Let me know by posting, PM or email (igitpd@yahoo.com)
I currrently have:
Garrett GT35/40R (same specs as allmotor)
Greddy E-manage w/ Support Tool
TiAL 38mm Wastegate & BOV w/ Flanges
What I really need is:
Turbo Manifold and Downpipe w/ turbo mount
Intercooler w/ Endtanks
Intake Plumbing
Also may be interested in E-manage PnP Harness
Let me know by posting, PM or email (igitpd@yahoo.com)
Strike One!
01-19-2005, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Habib
r u able to help me out with the parts i needed and i have another question
What would be the outcome of using OBX headers
What would be the outcome of using OBX headers
I listed everything you'll need at the top of page 3.
Using OBX vs. Comptech headers is like buying a $15,000 suit and wearing a $9.79 tie. You have a sweet turbo there, the GT series is capable of amazing power and obviously is well suited for this application. Don't cut corners on something as important as your exhaust manifold.
01-20-2005, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Habib
also like to know what the purple box is
Is it a different Engine Management System
Is it a different Engine Management System
