ThinJim

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Just wondering who has decided to take the leap into the turbo world on our CL's. I've noticed on a couple of threads that some people are alluding that they are. Any real takers on this mod?


On a side note, I will be having the custom plumbing made for the turbo on my 6spd model in the very near future. If there is anyone on here that wishes to have one made, PM me. Mine will be the template. The problem you may face is that you will have to run a simular setup to mine, so if you have your own ideas as to the position of the turbo, type, etc, then don't bother. There's more than one way to do it, although, not many ways.

allmotor_2000

We have a auto-version under construction... the 6spds, well... we have done three manifolds so far.

Keep us posted on how you approach yours!

m&b6speed

thinjim i will be in contact with mike when i get back from vegas, and want to go ahead with the 3.5L swap and turbo. what type of turbo are you using thinjim? I can't find my turbo mag that had yours in it allmotor, what type did you use? what would you advise us on doing/not doing since obviously you have the turbo set up already

BC2G

get allmotor's kit installed by him personally...

mclarenf3387

Except giving his car up for a few weeks may be hard, considering it would have to be shipped to Cali from Jersey.

And its great to hear that a turbo application will be made for autos, considering the majority of CL owners have them. Think it would be possible to make a turbo application for a CL-P?

Excelerate

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How would the turbo kit be different for the CL-S as opposed to the CL-P? The only thing that is substantially different between the CL-P and CL-s is that the CL-S has VSA and higher compression pistons.. right? So, the plumbing and turbo should remain the same. The only difference might be that the CL-P's could run more boost b/c of lower compression.

Josh
Excelerate LLC

mclarenf3387

I believe there is different cam profiles, different sized throtle body, no actuator. There are some differences, but the lower compression is something thats going for me

allmotor_2000

The kit would be the same for the CL-P and the CL-S... albeit all CL-P's are automatic. The kit should be up and running by the end of Feb I hope! There really is only one place to position a large turbo... soem Accord guys put a non-oil cooled turbo near the cat... but that's flimsy.

I am sure ThinJim will end up mounting his turbo at pretty much the same spot as ours... the exact bends might differ slightly, but the general manifold will be very similar. His motor is built, so I would expect much more power than the measly 419whp @ 5.8psi..!!


Either way, all this stuff is good for ours cars and the CL community!

Zapata

j32 is an amazing motor.

Excelerate

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Yes, the lower compression will help you b/c with lower compression you are less likely to be subject to detonation and then you can run more boost.

Titand19

turbo? What a silly idea

ThinJim

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CLp has different cams, less lift on the exhaust lobe than the CLS, and it's not handmade. pun.

Sure, it has less compression, and you could boost it, but getting the gasses out of the combustion chamber would be the trick.

link is here if you want to follow along. I'll add to it as i feel fit. There are going to be lots of surprises in this one.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/746252

shinybluecls

YAY!!!!! turbo for the autos!!!!! i'm so glad to hear this. you rule allmotor

mrimage27

allmotor, where in nj are you, i am in the bronx

m&b6speed

allmotor is in California, maybe you meant me or mclarenf3387?

mclarenf3387

All-motor is in California.

BoostedM3

so how are these auto trannys going to survive turbo? are you guys planning to get built / beefed up trannys too?

m&b6speed

well mine is a 6 speed, so i don't have to worry about that..yet. I will be replacing the clutch though. any one have any experience with aftermarket clutches for the 03 6 speed. the only one i saw was comptech, then again i haven't looked for one yet either

mclarenf3387

Its had mixed results. types1967 had his fail on him in traffic on his supercharged 6 speed. All-motor also had one and I believe he had problems with it as well. Then some like ThinJim seem to have no problems with it.

TypeS_boi

you guys make it difficult to get rid of this car. I'm glad I decided to keep my ride....turbo love for the autos!!!

Pure Adrenaline

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Hell, I didn't even know you were working on a turbo kit for the auto, allmotor.

It depends on how much it will cost, but count me in! When it's ready, I definitely want to buy one from you. Mine's an '03 TL-S, though. I don't see any problems with that, but I'm asking just in case -- it won't matter, right?

Is there a thread anywhere where you talked about this in depth? Just curious. I would love to read up on it.

Thanks.

Time For Sleeep

-I would liek to second the question of what the auto guys should do about their nasty ass transmissions. . I'm gonna assume to get a built transmission from Dr. Evil? Cause I would doubt Acura Service would honor the 100K warranty if they started seeing a bunch of turbo charged CL-S's runnin' around.

-Despite these slightly troubling thoughts... I can't wait.

allmotor_2000

The one we are building has a completeley upgraded tranny... otherwise
its up to you guys - remember that the turbo provides monstrous torque
even at low RPMS... I made 360 ft-lbs of torque to the wheels.

Red-CL

What would an upgraded tranny entail?

What exactly is beefed up or changed?

mclarenf3387

It entails disassembling the trans and installing tougher materials for the clutch packs that won't disentigrate with normal usage. Pretty much they replace the internals with beefier components.

shinybluecls

just curious...is the beefed up tranny similar to the package from velocity or speed distributors as they are called now, where they also have the addition of an lsd to the beefed up auto tranny? so far this is sounding great

mrsteve

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That's exactly what they are refering too.

JaredGMS

turbo possibility for clp??.....holy mother of christ...

Any idea about the price on this turbo / tranny combo?

mrsteve

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Turbo $7,000 plus install. Transmission $2500-3500 plus install.

mclarenf3387

....Installing it yourself, priceless

mrsteve

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hehehe

JaredGMS

How much of a DIY'er would one have to be to do this....I believe I could handle it unless tere is welding required (I don't have access to a mig or tig welder....)

I think the hardest part would be the actual turbo fan install behind the headers..... what do ya think??

mrsteve

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I'd think taping into the oil line to connect it to the turbo for cooling would be the most difficult. It looks like everything else in his "kit" is fairly "bolt-on"

mclarenf3387

I wouldn't know as I haven't had the oppurtunity to do such an install, but I think if your handy and have all the right tools, its shouldn't be too hard to do on your own. I'm almost positive you don't need to weld anything in. Talk to All-Motor or Titand19, also BLueCLS6. THey have done it before.

You actually need to put a hole in the oil pan as well. Unless all-motor plans on selling it all set up so that you just bolt it on(ie new oil pan with hole for return lines).

Edit: now that i think about it, putting in a new pan is probably harder than putting a small hole in the pan.

JaredGMS

Agreed.....I looked at taking the oil pan off....what a bitch

allmotor_2000

The last kit I sold (off my car)... I sent the oil-pan as well... obviously that adds to the cost.

A new kit w/o the additional injector but with the E/manage etc. will be easily $7K with a ball-bearing turbo. When you add the extra injector assembly, exhaust cutout, tuning, blah, blah, blah... you will approach and possibly exceed $8K. If you pay someone to install it.. expect another $1K.

Then again... if I just yank my kit off my car.. it will definateley 'bolt-in' to a 6spd. No tuning required... just plug 'n boost! I would give the oil-pan as well... so it is completely weld-free!

allmotor_2000

Actually once you take the header off (J-pipe), the oil-pan isn't hard... just a LOT of bolts!

I have installed/removed 2 different kits now... so its not that bad. Things to check for:

i. Fuel system is setup correctly with good-quality fittings
ii. Oil system is setup correctly with good-quality fittings
iv. Manifold is installed correctly with proper sealing around connectors etc.
v. Electrical system (E-manage) is installed properly
* If the kit is already tuned, then that makes it MUCH easier
vi. Check water-cooling system for the turbo

JaredGMS

Yeah...but still a pain in the ass...

I really need a tutorial about turbos......any takers?

allmotor??

allmotor_2000

Sure! I'll give a tutorial.... just drop by my place one day!

JaredGMS

Between law school and the 400+ mile drive, it'll have to be an online tutorial for now