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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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V1 Now has Full POP protection

My boss just got his V1 today with this addendum to the user manual. Looks like my V1 will be on eBay tomorrow so I can upgrade to POP protection.


About your Valentine One
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This V1 includes an advanced technology that provides warning when speed radar is used in the POP mode.

Full Coverage on POP
V1 covers POP on two bands - specifically the MPH Industries models BEE III (Ka band) and Enforcer (K and Ka).

POP Coverage is Automatic
There's nothing you must do to activate POP coverage.
It's built in, and it operates full time.

How to identify V1s upgraded to two-band POP
V1 powers up with test sequence of warning lights and sounds. At the conclusion of the test, just before the mode indicator appears in the Bogey Counter, you will see a sequence of "P...o...P" on V1s with two-band POP coverage.

Thank You
Thanks for your confidence in Valentine One.
We appreciate your business.



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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:52 AM
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That’s cool they did that, but I’m waiting on more of a major change before I upgrade again.
Hopefully it will be something to address all the LASER false alarms.
I just swapped mine a few months back.
I did the EBAY thing and sold my 4-Year old unit for 350.
I really don’t understand why the old ones go for so much….but I’m not complaining either.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:54 AM
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Mine is only a year old, I'm also hoping for $350.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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V1 Description: Radar circuitry known in-house as V1.8. This is our latest and best performer on both radar and laser.

Upgrade Recommendation: You have our best.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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V1 Description: Radar circuitry known in-house as V1.8.
This is our latest and best performer on both radar and laser.

Upgrade Recommendation: You have our best.

I guess that I have the latest.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ktgumbo
V1 Description: Radar circuitry known in-house as V1.8.
This is our latest and best performer on both radar and laser.

Upgrade Recommendation: You have our best.

I guess that I have the latest.
How old is yours? I think mine is V1.8 too, but I don't have the S/N handy to check.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
How old is yours? I think mine is V1.8 too, but I don't have the S/N handy to check.
March 10, 2004
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:17 AM
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Unless the V1 just had an ungrade that isn't listed yet. 1.8 is the latest. I had my 1.8 for 2 years now.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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Well I didn't just make this up guys... they obviously have made changes...
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:34 AM
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I have a Passport 8500 w/ the POP protection...to tell you the truth, it really isn't worth it. Even the Passport's documentation hints that it isn't necessary yet. In fact, the thing comes w/ POP disabled. You have to configure it to turn it on.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:35 AM
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Hmmmm...
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
That’s cool they did that, but I’m waiting on more of a major change before I upgrade again.
Hopefully it will be something to address all the LASER false alarms.
I just swapped mine a few months back.
I did the EBAY thing and sold my 4-Year old unit for 350.
I really don’t understand why the old ones go for so much….but I’m not complaining either.

after my maxima got wrecked i sold my v1 and got 390 for it with some extra accesories some people just stink at shopping around
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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It is true about POP mode being far from "actively used".

Even the POP mode radar gun's internals aren't up to date enough to read such a fast signal so they are completely inaccurate.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 01:09 PM
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http://www.valentine1.com/pop/

Local ticket writers are starting to brag about a new kind of radar; they say it nails radar detector users without warning.

Yes, in our testing the MPH Industries model BEE IIItm has a POPtm mode in which it’s undetectable. When operated in that mode, it also produces erroneous speed readings every time.

Moreover, we believe MPH Industries knows this feature is faulty. Why else would it advise, in the accompanying Operation and Service Manual, as follows:

“A note of caution: Information derived during the POP burst is non-evidential… Citations should not be issued based solely on information derived from the POP burst.”

In actual testing of a BEE III in our laboratory, we quickly learned why MPH Industries is covering itself in the fine print. The POP mode is fundamentally flawed. It consists of a lightning-quick radar burst, over and done with before a radar detector can pick up the signal. We consistently measured the POP duration at 67 milliseconds (that’s 0.067 second).

Unfortunately for accuracy, that burst is over the speed limit for the BEE III’s own internal components.

All traffic radar units rely on a Gunn oscillator to produce a stable, reference frequency for the microwave beam. This reference frequency must be held constant throughout the entire reading. Here’s how radar works: A microwave beam at the reference frequency is transmitted toward the target. The radar unit then compares the reference beam to a reflection of that same beam after it has bounced off a moving vehicle and returns to the radar unit. The difference between the reference frequency and the reflected frequency—known as the Doppler shift—gives the speed of the moving vehicle.

No Gunn oscillator we’ve ever tested can go from “off” to “on” and back “off” again in 67 milliseconds while simultaneously holding its frequency. This is basic physics. To be “on,” electrical current must flow through the oscillator. As the current begins flowing, it inevitably heats the component. While the device’s temperature is changing, so is its frequency. After a second or so under power, the device will reach its constant operating temperature and it will hold steady at its design frequency.

However, during the short cold start from ambient temperature to operating temperature, the device is literally out of control. Component makers don’t even bother to quantify the frequency change—called a start-up chirp in electronic jargon—because Gunn oscillators are designed as steady-state devices; they’re not intended for cold-start use.

What does this start-up chirp mean for ticket accuracy? The answer is really unknowable, because it’s influenced by a number of variables. For example, how far away is the target vehicle? The longer the distance, the greater the error. What’s the target speed? The slower it is, the larger the percent error. Which way is the target moving? The error adds to the speed of vehicles approaching the radar, and subtracts from vehicles heading away.

Clearly, MPH Industries has stepped into foul territory with the POP mode. In its zeal to defeat detector users, it has created a radar unit operating outside the accepted principles of engineering. Then it has tried to paper over its own technical recklessness by advising police operators, sotto voce in an obscure section of the manual, that they can’t use the BEE III’s key selling feature for its plainly intended purpose.

Question number one: Given the widespread ignoring of manuals, will anyone even read that warning?

Question number two: If they read it, will they heed it?

MPH Industries, in its quest for corporate profits, is playing an unconscionable game with its law-enforcement customers. Traffic radar is bought for one reason; it’s a ticket machine. Promising a feature, then telling the police after the sale not to use that feature for writing tickets, is pure bait-and-switch. Moreover, it dangles a temptation, a moral hazard, that threatens to corrupt enforcement. MPH Industries must be compelled to recall all BEE IIIs at once and disable the fundamentally faulty POP mode.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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That has been on their website for a year now.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 03:30 PM
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That has been on their website for a year now.
yah-- it has.. so the next question would be.. If Mike V et al. says its SO innacurate, why would Valentine1 even try to develop POP mode protection?
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 04:27 PM
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yah-- it has.. so the next question would be.. If Mike V et al. says its SO innacurate, why would Valentine1 even try to develop POP mode protection?

Because if they don't it gives other companies who do have POP protection something to "one-up" themselves over the Valentine One.

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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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I thought V1's are always upgradeable. Thats the original point of them. Can't we just send in our current one and have the software upgraded?
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 02:19 PM
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Yes but you have to pay for it. An upgrade is like $90 or more. Some have found it cheaper to sell theirs on ebay for like $350, then take that money & just buy a new one for $399 & save a few $$
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 02:49 PM
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Yes but you have to pay for it. An upgrade is like $90 or more. Some have found it cheaper to sell theirs on ebay for like $350, then take that money & just buy a new one for $399 & save a few $$
YUP, I’ve done it THREE times since my first V1 purchase back in 1992.
It’s cheaper because the used V1’s hold crazy values on EBAY.

Once they get like 3-4 years old, Valentine wants 175 or more to upgrade them.
I can “flip” mine on EBAY and get a brand new unit from V1 for less then 100 bucks overall cost.
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Old Sep 17, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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Because if they don't it gives other companies who do have POP protection something to "one-up" themselves over the Valentine One.

Not to mention MPH industries is not standing still either. They, or someone else, will find a way to get the gun to perform even at those burst speeds.

And the arms race continues.
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