Teh Snaps

14.939 1/4 95.25
15.052 1/4 95.27 Regular D5 Automatic
14.760 1/4 96.40
14.622 1/4 97.13
14.566 1/4 97.43
14.569 1/4 97.20
15.073 1/4 95.01
14.681 1/4 97.03
14.595 1/4 97.70
14.770 1/4 97.75
14.542 1/4 97.73


2nd time was in regular automatic all the rest where in Sport Shift
I guess it wasnt bad for my first time.
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darrinb

not bad, what were the temps

60'???

Teh Snaps

yea around that maybe a little colder

Joe5.0

Not bad, right around where a stock 6 speed is. I assume you an it with all the audio stuff out, and yeah post the 60's.

poisx7

iTrader: (1)

know what HP u putting down.????????????????

phipark

He didn't mean 60 degrees, he meant what were your 60 foot times.

Teh Snaps

between 2.2 and 2.4

Joe5.0

I assume you did mean to ask me, and if so mine has dyno'd 218whp/206wtq (110% bone stock). I just installed a Comptech intake, and i'll dyno again in a couple weeks.

Teh Snaps

ALL so found out my car weighs 3745 LBS.

Chopsie

Probably about 65 Degrees. </= 50% Humidity..


My best run in the car was 14.5 also, gate shifting.

CL weighed in at ~ 3700 lbs. just incase ^^ he said that before I got to it

3745 it is

darrinb

with you in it??

Chopsie

, with Snaps in it, not me.

My GS-R weighed in @ ~ 2700 with just me in it.

juruki

iTrader: (2)

Why do you gateshift? I thought with regular auto it changed gears at 7k rpm.
Does gateshifting give you like half a second difference??

Chopsie

Really there are only two things about gate shifting:
1-- You can control the 1-2 Shift, therefore letting you get closer to the Rev Limiter as to not drop out of VTEC when the gears do change.
2-- Some will argue that it shifts faster than SS mode even
The tranny will actually shift before 7k in Regular "D3,4,5" mode

The CLS rev limiter is at 7200k (Fuel cutoff).

The goal being to get as close to the limiter as possible without actually hitting it. It's all in timing the shifts.

Zapata

gateshifting is faster....only way to race while you are at the drags......

juruki

iTrader: (2)

So its not bad for my car to go over 7k rmp?

juruki

iTrader: (2)

1 more question: When you are at WOT gateshifting, do you need to shift when i hit 7200 rpm or a little sooner? Does it change gears immediately?

typeR

alot sooner...like 6200-6500

darrinb

your trabs must be slippin

Chopsie

I always did it @ ~ 6900, and worked like a charm

darrinb

trans*

cltypeSLOW

me too

juruki

iTrader: (2)

Must be a little hard gateshifting at exactly 6900... Anywayz thx for the info.

typeR

on the 1-2 if you're acctually making the movement of the stick from the left to the right at the rate you'd be accelerating it'd be at 8000 rpms before the signal was acctually received and shift initiated... 6900 on the 2-3 sure but not the 1-2

RUF87

I usually make the shift near 6800-6900 . . the closer you are to 6900 or above will likely result in hitting the rev limiter.

These engines reve really quick and the trans . . well quite honestly SUCK! They shift like maple syrup on a cold Vermont morning. Meaning that they shift slow, so you;ll need to practice a bit to get used to the timing.

For guys like me who've shifted by feel and sound (easy to do with a big V8) this car is more challenging because it revs so easy and is still rev happy at 7000rpm it's really easy to hit the rev limiter . . . which ends up hurting your times.

Ruf

typeR

i guess ill go practice some more...


not to sound like an ass...but i got 100$ for someone who'd like to show me they move the stick from the D1 to D2 postion at 6900 rpms and dont hit the rev limiter...w/o taking your foot off the pedal,and at WOT

RUF87

I can understand you questioning things . . . just don't come across sounding like a no-it-all . . . and I'm not trying to be an a$$ either . . . I've just been doing it longer than most. I've been racing since I was 16yrs old . . almost 30yrs . .

Ruf

RUF87

BTW, your welcome to come out to our next track meet at the Texas Motorplex . . we have a few guys that have come to the darkside of gate-shifting.

And I could use the $100 to pay for the Thermo Spacer.

BTW, you may want to define your interpretation of shift timing . . .

Ruf

RUF87

Ok, tried to make a quick run just for my own sake and be sure where it works and doesn't. Of course no two cars perform exactly the same, but in my case it can anticipate the needle right before it hits the redline and it won't hit the rev limiter . . if it get's in to the red line then it's too late . . rev limiter engaged.

So, since the redline is 6900, 6800 would be just before it. So my initial comment about making the shift about 6800, but before 6900 still stands as the rev limiter doesn't engage until 7200.

Maybe TypeR's is reving faster because of his mods, so it's possible both are right . . . but based on my quick test, if you've not started your action to shift by time the needle hits 6900 . . to late.

On another point worth mentioning here, I can be more agressive on my 1-2 shift than 2-3 because of the natual stop you have. Meaning I can slam the shifter faster and harder because I don't have to worry about the shifter slipping up in to another gear . . . think of it as a slap stick action. This I believe is a key factor in allowing me to "anticipate" the 6800/6900 mark and agressively slapping it over in to 2nd.

I'm going to try this again and see if it hold true as the streets were wet and it was a bear to keep from breaking the tires loose in 1st gear at any RPM.

In the end, the reality may be somewhere between these points as we'd need a digital tach to really know what point we are really shifting at. The guage is to vague to know exactly what RPM it is shifting at . . . . especially since we can't stare are the tach while driving.

So it's possible the shift point of no return is before 6800, but I'm absolutely certain I can shift past 6200 or 6500 RPM without a problem . . . and I'd put $1,000 on it.

Ruf

typeR

moving the stick when you reach 6900 rpm...i said originally and several times in the past...that i acctually make the movememnt at around 62-6500 rpms and by time the computer reacts yuo'll be at 6900-7100 others have said and it sounds like you agree that you can acctually wait untill the revs are at 6900 then shift...which i know to be false

RUF87

Ok, but I know for certain that I'm making the shift action at or after 6500 . . . again, it's impossible to know the exact RPM without a digital read out.

And once the streets dry I'm going to try and narrow down if it's before, at or just past 6500 rpm when I actually make the shift action . . .

BTW . . . maybe some of us have ninja like shift actions

Ruf

typeR

6500 is about right...6900 is the first red dash and i tried it on my way to work it resulted in about 5 smacks off the limiter and then a big bark into second...6500 nailed it...i will also agree that the rate of acceleration has everything to do with this including spining tires...if yuore spinning youre really not going as fast as the speedo says and as soon as the shift starts the rpms will be dragged down quicker to the acctual speed and the related rpm...this is why sometimes when i street race if i spin in first ill acctuall fall out of VTEC on the 1-2 causing a boog...whereas if you roll into it just right ..ill bark second stay at or above 5K and pull harder this too is key at the strip...

Chopsie

Okie dokie. So I'll even agree that the shift comes after 6500, I know.
Ruf says that Ah hah, I remember when I ran Snaps CLS at the track the other night, and when I ran it before myself, I DO infact watch the tach very closely. I can almost swear I was in the motion of moving the shifter at 6800 at the lowest.
Also, I am not sure on this, but it almost seems like the amount of power that TypeR is putting down, may cause him to have to shift sooner because the engine is revving so fast.

RUF87

Ok, one more time (12 runs in total) . . . this time on a dry street.

Based on watching the tach as closely as possible if I don't make the shift move by time the needle hits the 6750 mark I hit the rev limited 50%. If I hit it before the 6750 mark . . . no rev limiter. If I try to push it past the 6750 mark, ie close to redline I hit the limiter 3 out of 4 runs. In the runs from 6500 or less . . obviously no rev limiter issues.

So it seems that the truth lies somewhere in between what TypeR and some of us other have experienced.

I will say that you have to be quick on the shift pushing it about 6500, but found 6750 to be safe after some practice . . .

On thing I did notice . . on 2 of the runs I made the shift past the redline (right about 7000) and so the shift took place where the rev limiter typically kicks in . . . but it didn't on those 2 runs. So what happened on those two runs where it should have kicked in . . the RPM was past the 7200 mark, the 7250 mark to be exact . . . ???? I have know idea, but it was still pulling stong at that point.

Wish it would let us go to 7000-7200 . . . the engine seems to still respond and the next gear ends up in a higher powerband . . especially those with headers. For those without mods I'm not sure what the gains would be without some track time to back it up . . . hey isn't spring almost here? Track time . . I'll have to try and duplicate that sort of run and see what happens to my times/splits.

Ruf

RUF87

I share those thoughts. TypeR certainly has more power and is likely wrapping the RPMs quicker than we are.

So Chopper, are you coming to the track and keep me honest?

Ruf

Chopsie

Well if we get a mod meet together, I'm game to go to the track also, as to test the IAT spacers on you TLS/CLS guys (remember I coverted to Integra GS-R) but I will gladly run Blades car (my old white one) to help test this timing/RPM issue at hand.

darrinb

typeR, your car is obviously way different than ours, your revs are going up ALOT quicker

typeR

not that much...but alittle faster that forsure

RUF87

Hey. I'd take that 'A LITTLE FASTER' . . . . . . now where do I find some flood water to drive thru

Ruf

typeR

i tried it again today on the way to work...wasnt a great test cause i was getting wheel spin but got a successful shift at around 66-6700