hey, can you guys tell me if this is a good price???

Toyo TS-1 Proxies 235/45/17 - $158 per tire
Toyo TS-1 Proxies 225/45/17 - $154 per tire

 

come on guys, what did you pay for your proxies???

 

That's a decent price. I bought the 235x45s on sale for $134.

 

Those are very good prices.

 

Yeah I got my 235-45-17's for about $160/tire mounted, & balanced.

 

Those are good prices for the Toyo's. Are you ordering them online or getting them locally?

 

Similar here. Around $700 out the door (tax, free rotations and balance for life of tires). (235/45-17 T1S)

(I've been passing on the free rotates and balance ... I can't stand the a-hole that owns that tire shop.)

 

Hey EricL, I was thinking of getting me some T1S's... My tires still have some miles on them (26k mi on the original stock Michelins), but they're squeaking and screeching and slipping more and more, and I'm kind of concerned with rainy season coming up.

I know this has been beaten to death, and people have fit them, but do you (in your expert opinion ) have any problems with 235/45/17 on stock rims? I know it's supposed to be "too wide" by a bit, and I'm concerned with the sidewall wear from too much flexing, or heat buildup, or whatever bad things can happen when the tire's too wide for the rim.

Thing is, 235/45 is SO much closer to stock size than 225/45 or 225/50 even, so ideally I'd like to keep it that way. Guess I could go 225/45 and put all those extra miles on my car (2% fast!), would much rather have 0.5% slow for 235/45

Anyway, real performance wise, is it better to get 225 even though it's thinner just so the sidewall can behave as designed, instead of going for that extra 10 mm of width?

 

Oh, and another question for those of you guys in the SF Bay Area -- what's a really good place to buy quality tires at good prices (I'm looking for Toyo T1S, or Bridgestone S03, or perhaps the Kumho 712's if I can get a bargain basement price )?

Have you guys had any success in getting the local Sears stores to match Tire Rack prices? I don't think it's worth to buy just tires off the internet with no wheels... pain to get them mounted, etc... right?

 

FYI you don't need to change the tire size to gain performance. You just have to change the compound the tire is made of. Toyo makes a T1-S in a 215/50/17. The cheapest I have found them for is $157.00ea.
The just bought new tires 2 weeks ago. I was torn between the Toyo T1-S or the Yoko AVS ES100.
I went with the Yoko's ($108.00ea) STOCK SIZE and the difference is night and day.
Everyone seems to have valid concerns on changing tire size, but for some reason don't/won't look at max perf. in the stock size.

Happy Shopping

 

The 235/45-17 puts a bigger contact patch on the road. Sure, the 215/50-17 T1S will kill the stock tire, but the 235/45-17 has a reinforced casing and has a 97-load rating vs. the 91-load rating of the 215/50-17. The sidewall is much stiffer with its reinforced casing and there is almost another inch of rubber on the ground.

Here is one place (I'm sure there are more places):

http://www.treadepot.com/td.c/orders/index.html

TOYO PROXES T1 215/50ZR17 PROXES T1S 91Y $ 149.00

TOYO PROXES T1 235/45ZR17 PROXES T1S 97W $ 154.00

TOYO PROXES T1 225/45R17 PROXES T1S 94W RD $ 147.00


I'd rather put on a 225/45-17 or a 235/45-17. IMO, the 215/50-17 is such a wimpy size for a 3500 lb car.

Look at most of the other sports sedans in this weight range with similar or higher acceleration numbers:

BMW 330i sport package 225 front 245/255 rear.
Mustang: 245 or 275 series tires (front and rear).
5-series: 235/255 (f/r)
M5: 245/275 (f/r)

Even the 3.5L Altima as an option on TireRack for a 235/50-17!

The OEM sized tires on the CLS were selected by Yugo enthusiasts. :P

I might put 245/40-17 on my SSRs if I don't drop.

 

The 225/45-17 has a 94-load rating and reinforced casing. You can align that tire all day on stock rims.

The 235/45-17 has a 97-load rating and reinforced casing. You will probably have to look around to find someone to align the tires on the stock rims. You would do well to ask around…

The 235/45-17 lays flat on the ground with the stock rims and I moved to very light 8" wide SSR wheels for better acceleration, braking, and road feel/unsprung weight. I did NOT notice any dramatic increase in stick with the 8" wide rims.

You get more torque/acceleration from a 225/45-17, but the speedo will be a bit off.

You get more contact patch with the 235/45-17.

The tires on 7” rims have no problems with sidewall flex and/or heat buildup. The tires with the reinforced casing are built like a tank and are very light. The 225/45-17 and 235/45-17 have reinforced casings.

I keep hearing about this mileage issue and getting "ripped-off" by the dealer for having the odometer under report mileage.

Look, if you drive 1000 miles, you add an extra 20 if you run 2% hot. That's like a milk run. If the concern was that great, people should replace their tires when they are only worn down by 1/32 of an inch. A fully worn stock tire (8/32" of wear) will be off by 2% at the end of its life.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EricL
[B]The 235/45-17 puts a bigger contact patch on the road. Sure, the 215/50-17 T1S will kill the stock tire, but the 235/45-17 has a reinforced casing and has a 97-load rating vs. the 91-load rating of the 215/50-17. The sidewall is much stiffer with its reinforced casing and there is almost another inch of rubber on the ground.

Here is one place (I'm sure there are more places):

http://www.treadepot.com/td.c/orders/index.html

TOYO PROXES T1 215/50ZR17 PROXES T1S 91Y $ 149.00

TOYO PROXES T1 235/45ZR17 PROXES T1S 97W $ 154.00

TOYO PROXES T1 225/45R17 PROXES T1S 94W RD $ 147.00


I'd rather put on a 225/45-17 or a 235/45-17. IMO, the 215/50-17 is such a wimpy size for a 3500 lb car.

Look at most of the other sports sedans in this weight range with similar or higher acceleration numbers:

BMW 330i sport package 225 front 245/255 rear.
Mustang: 245 or 275 series tires (front and rear).
5-series: 235/255 (f/r)
M5: 245/275 (f/r)

All RWD cars.. HMMMMMM



I understand "footprints". I also understand rolling resistance.
I also understand it is a bitch to get an alignment with a 235 on a stock rim as you stated. Unless your going to change rims it just doesn't seem worth it to me. JMO

 

get a alignment, then change tires,,, alignment should be good for at least 40k miles... tires don't affect alignment..

 

What you expect from the car around corners and which make and model of 235/45-17 makes a difference with alignment issues. It is quite possible the Yokos in a 235/45-17 will align on every machine in the country.

As a note – the issue about getting an alignment seems to get all mixed-up. The only tires that I’m aware of, that have a problem with alignments in a 235/45-17 are the Toyos. The sidewall protector is extremely thick. The tire is very wide for a 235/45-17. Other 235/45-17s will align on the stock rims without a second thought.


And that's what makes horse racing...

 

Yes, another inch of rubber on the road x 4. Don't forget it takes away some HP.

 

The "selective" quoting (misquoting) is really getting annoying. :shakehd:

You managed to leave this out:

"Even the 3.5L Altima as an option on TireRack for a 235/50-17! "

While managing to leave all the RWD figures in...

(THE ALTIMA is not a RWD vehicle)

BTW, even the Maxima SE comes with 225/50-17 rubber as a minimum tire option (no plus sizing or up-rated wheels). It also weighs less.

 

WRONG!!!!!


When you decrease the front-to-rear contact patch, you reduce the deformation losses.

If you compare a 215/50-17 vs. a 235/45-17 of equal construction and with identical tire compounds, you get lower rolling resistance with the 235/45-17.

The front-to-rear contact patch is reduced and the side-to-side area is increased in a 235/45-17. That extra side-to-side contact area supports the additional weight of the car. Lowering the front-to-rear contact patch and its similar in concept to increasing tire pressure to lower rolling resistance.

Think about it – most people think wide tire == more loss and that’s only true if you are talking aerodynamic effects at F1 speeds.

 

Sorry to have pissed in your cheerios Eric. I was simply trying to point out the fact you don't have deal with all the issues EVERYONE on this board has discussed with plus sizing. There are now plenty of max perf. options in the stock size for a STOCK RIM. If you really think 20mm is helping you all that much good for you. I will stick with my Yugo 215/50/17 and be happy about it.

 

I've got the 225/45/17s on my TLS. I paid $156 each, which included balancing, mounting, tax, etc.

They are also about 2lbs lighter than the 235's. So what you make up in traction, you lose a bit in acceleration.

So 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of another so to speak.

Also, the 225s will stay in your fenderwells.

Ruf

 

RE: "plenty of max. perf. options in the stock size..."

Max performance check box + 215/50-17 on TireRack returns:

2 tires (yep, that's plenty if you only count on two fingers).

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...performance=MP

225/45-17 + max performance returns 19 different models.
235/45-17 + max performance returns 14 different models.

Your quote snippet:

"I was simply trying to point out the fact you don't have deal with all of the issues EVERYONE on this board has discussed with plus sizing"

I guess "EVERYONE" appointed you official spokesperson for "EVERYONE"...

:shakehd::shakehd::shakehd:

 

Selective quoting is getting annoying right Eric.
I tried to apologize to you and you still want act like a :ghey:

 

tuleman, you certainly are a tool.

 

IF that's an apology, I hate to see what you do when you do to other people when you apologize in person.

"Hey, I feel good about myself and, well .. I'm... er, ... well, er a, ... I'm sorry about NOTHING ... BTW, I just pissed on your laptop you gay mo-fo..."

Yep, I definitely got a pretty funny picture...

 

I agree about the Toyos in stock size, i had them for awhile and the difference was huge.

 

He is the TOOL -- MAN after all...