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Old 11-13-2003, 08:01 PM
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sways and the 60'

been wondering how sways might effect my 60 ...in RWD muscle cars they talk about un doing the front sways to hellp the car sit back on the rear tires transfering more weight and keeping it there for better traction...conversly does good front sways help keep the car from shifting weight rearwardly and do the rear sways help the cars independant rear supension take that rearward weight transfer and distribute it more evenly between the two shocks? in my mentioning of sways ofcourse im refering to upgrade after market set, like comptech,eibach,or neuspeed...any thoughts?
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i doubt it would do anything.
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Originally posted by mattg
i doubt it would do anything.
thats it? well here me out when you accelerat hard from a dig the from end lifts up and to one side and the rear end sits down...i think the stiffer sways are gonna make it harder on the car to lift the front end. and make the rear work together better by splitting the load on to both springs and shocks more evenly
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i usually associate sways w/ side to side movement. but maybe it could help shave some 100ths off your 60'.

off the top of my head most of the people running quick times around here don't have sways. johntypes probably does. and i don't remember anyone saying that sways helped with their launch. if i ever get sways i will test it out, you can do the same.
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i dont think it would it only helps cornering repsonse not the front end or rear end
Old 11-13-2003, 08:45 PM
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i think it just helps body roll from left to right

wont help the front to back
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I have heard removing the front sway bar will help reduce wheel hop on front drive cars. As for shortening 60 ft times some drag radials or slicks and real stiff rear springs. On my street strip Sentra i have 700lb rear springs to help stop the car from squating.
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I'd think no front sway would lead to more wheel hop...

but yeah, if there's any action that leaves one wheel rising while the other one is planted, then in threory a stiffer sway would help. I'm actuallity though, I think there's too much slop in all the bushings and the sway isn't in effect at that slight movement.

there is a company that makes polyeurothane front sway bushings, i think that would help more then a stiffer sway...
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Perhaps is does help...

Sways do help stiffen up the body, correct? So a stronger body, won't be all over the place, especially coming off the like HARD... Most of the motion at the track is done parallel to the track, but if one tire digs in harder off the line, the car will flex a bit side-to-side??? So maybe it will help.

I dunno. Just thinking out loud here.
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I don't have sways yet (they're sitting in my storage...waiting for my lazy ass to put them in ), but I'll likely have them in the spring. Maybe, my 14.2 could be a 14.0 or better, with sways, TEINs, and DRs. And, with cold weather.
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Originally posted by mattg
i usually associate sways w/ side to side movement. but maybe it could help shave some 100ths off your 60'.

off the top of my head most of the people running quick times around here don't have sways. johntypes probably does. and i don't remember anyone saying that sways helped with their launch. if i ever get sways i will test it out, you can do the same.
I'd tend to agree . . . unless there is some sort of torque load with our engines at launch that would cause weight to shift more to one side or the other, I'm not sure there's any real benefit.

Now with a normally positioned engine, especially those with more tq, you can get a big torque shift. My Malibu SS would twist from the torque so much that you could actually see the body twist on my launches. I've even pulled the left front tire off the ground on occasion. :P

So perhaps with that sort of configuration and torque, anything that helps stabilize the chassis will improve traction and power loss thru the chassis.

Now something that one of the other guys was posting about stiffening up the motor mounts and front suspension components would help to reduce power lost thru the chassis on our cars.

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Originally posted by 01clsgld1
I have heard removing the front sway bar will help reduce wheel hop on front drive cars. As for shortening 60 ft times some drag radials or slicks and real stiff rear springs. On my street strip Sentra i have 700lb rear springs to help stop the car from squating.
Plausable.

I know on rearwheel drive cars you lighten the spings up front to allow the weight transfer quicker to the rear . . .thus helping out with traction.

I also had to put a custom ladderbar set up on because of my coil spring rear suspension to reduce wheel hop and such.

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Originally posted by mattg
off the top of my head most of the people running quick times around here don't have sways. johntypes probably does. and i don't remember anyone saying that sways helped with their launch.
I have Comptech sways and springs, not that my times are all that quick, and I don't know if it helped my launch or not since they went on almost right away, but I have to think they can only help, and I can't see how they could hurt. So for all the other reasons, why not put them on?
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the added weight would help your 60' if nothing else.

so the ideal sway bar scenario would be Neuspeed front sway (solid) with energy suspension polyuerothane bushings.

i don't see how the rear sway comes into play any..., so stock would be ideal for 1/4 mile.
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