well, Im gettin pissed off with all the critics of car magazines. ANd its not only the car mag critics, its the idiot people that write into these magazines that make themself look like morons. i just read road and track tonite at work and i was soo unterly disgusted.

This guy wrote about how the bmw is soo much better casue of the rwd but who cares about that. ANd the other one was that when they were comparing the 330 coupe to the type s. he said why would u add the sunrof and the navi and compare it to the sports package in the bmw. the guy was like why must they add the sports package and when they do it addds more money to a already expensicve car. its funny how they say that the 330 i sa better car and that it would killa typew s, but they arent tellin teh whole storey, the car os 10+ grand morew and for what alittle better performance and cornering ability. i still think the car is soo uncomfortable and shouldnt picked over teh cl-s. i may be a littel sided to the acura becasue i have one, but i drove the 323 then i was goin to get a new car, and i was soo unimpressed with the amount of money they wanted for it, i can imagine how much more they want for the 330, 42grand.
in final, i thingk that we ned to contribute more letters to these car mags and tell them where to shove there bmw where the sun dont shine. They all love it and why not, its nice car, but when u compare a 32 grand cl-s with a 42 grand bmw, the bmw better win casue if it didnt, and i was a bmw owner, id have to kick some bmw salesmen asss.
wg

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indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
hyperwhie highbeams and corner lights, and eyeball fogs. 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.
my cl-s http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...725&a=11443786

 

i hate to tell you RWD and FWD are not comparable. Take the S around a track and even i would rather head towards the BMW. The track times of the two will prove this. Even the IS almost keeps up w/ us through the turns

 

it pisses me off too. I think it is hard to compare cares that have a 10k gap. Clearly, the Acura is more bang for your buck. Ya RWD is great on the track and whatever, but where do people drive more, track or streets? thats what i thought. For road conditions, i'll take FWD anyday over RWD, snow, rain...

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Nick
01' Cl-S Silver/ Black W/ Navi and Spoiler
V-1 Radar Hard Wired, Limo Tint all around
Comptech Headers, Sways, and AEM CAI
I've got one of the CLS's from the fast batch.
Lead Foot!

 

Drove both the 323 and the CL-S. Could have bought either. Went with the CL-S (More power and better styling in my opinon). Don't care much what 323 owners say. If they get snooty though, I pull out that issue of Road and Track from behind my seat and watch them . Three more weeks.

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2001 CL-S Red/Ebony w/Nav

[This message has been edited by Gizmo (edited 03-20-2001).]

 

I have been sitting on the sidelines for this topic because I know just how damn good my car is. But GD its comments like this that get me pissed off. "take it out on the track" we did not buy these cars to take on the fucking track and thats where the problem lies. we can beat every car that they have done a written comparison on, ON the street. and who gives a shit about the track. Just how much time do you spend racing BMWs or Lexus on the track, and how much time do you think they spend on the track. If I was driving everyday on the autobahn it would be different, but Im not, and neither are you.


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Black Type S, Spoiler, Comptech Headers, AEM CAI, Comptech Springs and Sway Bars...touch my car I WILL kill you
my other car is a hummer

 

As usual, I am not totally sure what URIRx98
was saying, I'll have to get a translator. But I get the gist of it.
My brother in law has a 330 4 door with a manual and a sport package.
That car is just as quick,( no VTEC lag either ) and it corners like a CRX si.
It is a great car. Worth $10K more? He thinks so. I'd rather spend the money on other things.
When I bought last year I considered the IS CLS TL and 328. All are great cars. It is a personal choice. Why waste you time constantly justifying your choice?

Which one is a better street racer?
Who cares. I stopped doing that many years ago when I started getting laid on a regular basis.

As for the magazine editors, they spend lots of time with these cars. Not just a quick drive at a dealer, or a glance on the street. If they think it is better, fine. I respect that. But the buy descion is more complex than simply which one has the slight edge.
I wanted a bullet proof Honda drive train. When I am done with this car my son will be starting to drive and it will become his.
Daily costs and quality were just as important to me as was having the fine edge performance of the BMW.
I discounted the other two because sports cars have 2 doors.
URIRx98 please don't flame me! You must admit that your writing is somewhat strange.


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lilfeat
01 CLS Red No Spoiler, No
Nav, No Payments

 

They should compare the CL-S to the 325 that is closer in price. When I was shopping around and check the 325 / 330's they were alot more with the same equipment as the CL-S. The 325 came out to $37k. In addition to that the 3 series is a compact car and were are in the mid-sized class. I don't get it....

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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
-Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Prolarg M-6 lamps
Planning: Comptech Headers, Sways, CAI

 

I could care less, about what the car critics say. I bought the car because I liked what the car offered. I agree that it is not the best handling car in the world, then again it wasn't built with that intention.

Just be happy with the car that you bought. Who cares what the writers say. If you believed everything written in those magazines you would probably be driving a pt cruiser right now. Remember? the motor trend car of the year?, that was a funny one.

 

tel1sps,
Acura has pushed the CL/TL as a rival to the 3 series.
I don't see it either.

blxnjx,
great picture!


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lilfeat
01 CLS Red No Spoiler, No
Nav, No Payments

 

tel1sps,
Acura has pushed the CL/TL as a rival to the 3 series.
I don't see it either.

blxnjx,
great picture!


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lilfeat
01 CLS Red No Spoiler, No
Nav, No Payments

 

AMEN BROTHER

stop trying to compare your car to the ones you didn't buy...live with it, like it, maybe even love it, but stop comparing it for cripes sake!




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Astroboy out...
2001 Acura CL Type S: Comptech: Headers, filter, sways, springs, koni shocks, goodridge braided brake lines, full kicker system
1996 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo: H&R Springs and sways, Bilstein shocks

 

My best friend has 330i. Ya its a great car. I have the CL-S. Ya, its also a great car. I love my car and i love my friend bmw, he loves his car and he loves mine too. It just depeneds on the money you have and your taste in cars. I got the CL-S because its more my style(sporty, quick, grabs peoples attention) so it just depends on what you like.

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Ride: '01 CL-S
Mods: springs, headers
Exterior: 18 inch Giovanna's on Pirelli's
Interior: Blue Bulbs (doors, dome light)

 

I've been on the sidelines too, and it burns me up to read one-sided crap. But then again, if CL-S was the greatest, then BMW guys are burnin' up.

Besides, i think the ones who advertise more, gets the better reviews.

I think the important thing is that YOU are satisfied with your purchase. I hope you bought a CL-S because you didn't to be another sheep in a sea of sheep cars (BMWs. Accords, Camerys, Taurus, Malibu,.....)

 

I agree 100% that the money gets the reviews but that is a whole different can of worms. as for the RWD FWD issue I could really care less, like I said last night I will take my talent against their talent behind the wheel for the bucks anytime. I just wanted to see how many people would stand up against the RWD boys if the issue came up...and thanks to snipers post I have a pretty good idea.


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Sundance,Navi,
Spoiler, mflaps, wheel well trim, dark dark tint, nose mask, polarg m6's, lead foot

 

Critics in general tend to have big heads. Think about it... All the critics at some mag want to get along, right? So what do they do when they meet up with somebody for aninterview, they talk and mkae sure they get along... In other words, the critics tend to agree with each other. What they SHOULD do is, the critic with the most different different view, and whom the group hates the most should get hired. Ever watch FoxNews? How abotu Hannity and Colmes? A liberal and a conservative... Why can't car magazines do the same type of thing?

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http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...698&a=11616550
Red 3.2 CL-S.
"Life is too short not to be Italian." -Paul Sorvino
"How do you expect your date to turn over if your engine doesn't?" -Original
"Too many news programs have become public relations friendly" -Bill Oreilly
People spend too much time finding other people to blame, too much energy finding excuses for not being what they are capable of being, and not enough energy putting themselves on the line, growing out of the past, and getting on with their lives. -
J. Michael Straczynski

 

well to everyone that responded, im glad to hear that most of u agreee with what i said.

lifeat, i wont flame u, but i dont know what u dont understand about my post. all i am tryin to say is that i hate when the car mags and even the people that write in diss the cl-s or say that the bmw 330 is such a better car then the cl-s. the 330 may beat the cl-s on the track, and some other catagories, but the car is 10-12 grand more and isnt really in the same class as the 33 grand cl-s.

i love my car, would trade it in for any bmw 3 series casue the car was sooo small and not worth it. they wanted almost 600 a month for a lease of a 323 with like 2100 down, tell me thats worth it. ITs not. I would trade it for a M5 or maybe a tl-s or gs430 in a year when my lease is gettin to the end, but i love my car and love everything that i have done to it. THats all im tryin to say, other than fuck the critics, they all get paid to agree with each other,
wg

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The SILVER STREAKER CL-S no navi, spoiler, tint all around, moonroof visor,
indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
hyperwhie highbeams and corner lights, and eyeball fogs. 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.
my cl-s http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...725&a=11443786

 

most true sports car enthusiasts don't necessarily take it to the track, but take it on long canyon sporty rides where you will feel it. I witness it myself by living down the street from angeles crest. Everytime i drive up it i wish i had RWD.

i agree w/ you too though, i would much rather have the CL-S over the BMW. But i would much rather have RWD over FWD

[This message has been edited by CLpower (edited 03-23-2001).]

 

Wow, they were trying to gank you. Our E46 328i (manual w/ sport susp.), which stickered at $41k but ended up at $39k, we got a 36 month lease for $497/month w/ $4500 down. But Global Imports here in ATL does seem to be willing to work with the consumer.

BTW, my CL-S was a bit more, but I did put less down and was a little in the hole on my trade (damn paint on that GTP)...

But as for driving one or the other, lately I prefer to drive the CL-S. The headers have down it to me. But for a while I preferred the 328i, maybe the manual thing. Who knows what next month might bring. But we're in the pumpkin, I mean CL-S today...

 

i went with my friends dad to price a 328 and we left w/ an offer of 36,550 out the door cash. Gues sit pays alot to pay all up front.

 

Ok, this is getting a little rediculous. All this talk about R&T being a biased magazine is just BS. Do you think that the IS beat the 330 in April just because Lexus funds magazines more than BMW. The IS beat the 330 only after price was factored in, why whould they hold the CL-S vs 330Ci test to different standards. The fact is that Road and Track test cars on Tracks because they think that it is important to drivers and is a good measure of vehicle performance. CL-S lost to the BMW in performance, but there were still many posivie CL comments. The fact is that Acura markets the CL-S as sports car and it falls short when compared to the 330Ci. The Acura is still cheaper and comes with a navi and leather. You made your decision based on your financial situation and on what you wanted in a car. R&T wants something different, so what! Read them and don't make a judgement on your car until you can compare for yourself. BTW, 330Ci can be had for 35k, even less for euro delivery.

[This message has been edited by someguy (edited 03-23-2001).]

 

Give it up already........those guys don't even own nice cars. They write regarding the "perfect automotive world". Read my flaming letter to Car and Driver 2 months back ("Back Fires--So Good It's Bland") and you'll get my point-we drive in the real world, not on the track. You have to be happy with what you bought for your own reasons, not what someone else tells you!!

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CL-S PDG, TR Typhoon Wheels, Solaris 9005, guards, nose mask, V-1 & remote.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...493&p=31386570

 

let me stress this point one more time. I love my car. I drove the 323 and it wasnt worth the money that they wanted. IT was small and uncomfy for 35 grand. I wish i could have had the 540 for the same price as the cl-s, and i actually could have, it would have been a 97 used 540, but i certainly wouldnt want to have a 323 over my cl-s. liek i said before, they wanted almost 600 a month with 2100 down, that was for a totally stocked 323 with sports and premimum and harmen karmen system. I Got my cl-s with spoiler and tint and sunvisor for only 479 a month and the includes gap ins that if some reason some bastard decides to steal my baby, i get a check from acura for 2500 bucks to get a new car. pretty nice for 4 bucks a month. i love my car and i love my deal that i got. it certainly destroys the 600 a month for a car that is smaller and less power than the acura. my opinion on my post, so i can say that i want.
wg

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The SILVER STREAKER CL-S no navi, spoiler, tint all around, moonroof visor,
indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
hyperwhie highbeams and corner lights, and eyeball fogs. 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.
my cl-s http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...725&a=11443786

 

Listen, having written articles before, I can tell for sure that newspapers and magazines are influences by the big dollar.

It is like politics, money gets the pull.

I agree with the "sometimes" foolish comparisons, but they are going for the max buck.

Hopefully, we can be secure enough with our decisions, that we can shrug off the evident stupidity that infests our day-to-day living.


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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition rims (~48lbs lighter)
• (pre-SSR wheels time) --Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

OK, my .02 worth. I own a 330i, and a CLS. I traded in a GS400 and drive an IS300 all I want. (I don't want to) What bugs the crap out of me is that the 330i and the CLS are in one class. All the others are in another. Yet the mags constantly compare the IS300 and others to the 330i in these comparos. The R&T comparo is beyond ridiculous. They obviously never took the cars out on a real road. In the C&D 330i/CLS comparison they took the cars out CA hwy58. On that road, the 330i and CLS rip. The Is can barely stay on the road. Its suspension tops, bottoms, the wheels hop and the front end pushes. The 330i and CLS handily outrun the A4,T5,IS,Saab, etc. Head to head, is the CLS close to the 330i - no, except in a straight line. It's faster from 65-100. But is it better than $11,000 away, you betcha. Is it just plain better than any of the others, including the very dubious "winner" IS300, YES. (I cannot believe that on any surface except a parking lot, could that result have been anywhere near honest). And it ticks me off theat the CLS was not included as it would easily beat anything except the 330i, and, since that was an auto 330i, maybe that too.

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CLS Blk/Blk, Wife ripping off