TypeSKid

Last nite, I was on 95N late.

I was wondering, nearly EVERYTIME my detector goes off, its almost ALWAYS KA, RARELY K.
Other than that, I don't think I've encountered ANYTHING else, and I've had the damn thing for months now.

What else are they using?

Also,

A buddy of mine who is a cop said that detectors don't work, and are pointless, because they can pick up us before we can pick up them.
????

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

elliot

How did you hardwire your passport? I have a 7500 that I want hardwired but I dont have instructions on how to do so...

Thanks,
Elliot

Bill Faure

K band is a frequency that has other RF devices associated with it. Where as Ka band is solely police radar. The K band radar gun is usually an older model that has a lot of power. Therefore, easily picked up by modern radar dectectors. Even older still is the X band radar gun. X band is on a very crowded RF spectrum. This is why there are so many falses on X band. X band is so old that new radar detectors allow the user to shut X band detection off.
Your buddy is correct when Ka is used in instant on mode and you are the one being shot at. Every dectector will only tell you that you are caught. Your only chance against instant on Ka band is when your detector picks up the reflection from someone else being shot at. Some of the later built K band instant on guns are this effective as well. Finally, laser is even more effective for the police. Like Ka your only chance against laser is when your detector picks up the reflection of someone elses shot.
Speed carefully the police have the advantage at this stage of the game.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

"Where as Ka band is solely police radar"
Not totaly true, I have seen alot of non police KA falses.

TypeSKid

Takes like 15 minutes tops. Remove the pillar plastic piece that runs from the dash to the top of the windshield on the drivers side. pops right off.

get some phone cord, radio shack has it for cheap. Also get one of those 2 in 1 splitters for phones.

Plug your power source thingy in the middle console box. Plug the 2 in 1 spiller in, then plug the phone cord in the other.

Now, run the phone cord out of the center console, right down the right side of your seat. Tuck it in up under the bottom of the center console where the carpet meets the plastic. run it underneath steering wheel etc, up the pillar.

Put the plastic piece back on, and make sure u have a little slack coming out where are you going to mount your detector.

Plug it in, and you're set. We have that small tinted band at the top of our windshields. The detector is totally out of sight from the outside of the car.

Bill Faure

Sure, but that was due to RF saturation. Not because something else besides police radar was emiting Ka Frequency. For a crude RF example: You can have a 900 Mhz cordless phone, but if someone in the house next to you fires up a 100 watt CB radio base station your 900 Mhz phone is going to know it. That's because the 100 watt CB radio base station is saturating all frequencies for 100 feet around it. Not only that, but there are other RF devices that are near Ka frequency. If you back those devices with enough power and are close enough they'll saturate over to Ka frequency. Combine that with a directional antenna to narrow the beam and you bet your radar detector will false on Ka.

elliot

typeskid,

do you have pics of doing the hardwire? yours isn't actually hardwired though.. hardwiring involves connecting the detector straight to the battery/ignition of the car i thought..

nonetheless ... if i drove down to fairfax one weekend, could you give me a hand? i'd hate to start taking apart my car without having pictures or anything.. thanks!

I am RobG

radar detectors dont work unless the person in front of you gets shot or the radar is constantly on giving the detector time to pick it up. Why do you think they're legal?. If you get shot and your radar goes off you're already nailed.

TypeSKid

elliot: I don't see the point in connecting it to the battery of the car. My detector turns on and off when I turn my car on and off. And it's mounted out of sight.


Yeah, I'm free this weekend. Drop me a PM with your IM or your email address and we'll set up a time.

Afterwards we can do a couple of runs.

TypeSKid

Typically around here, I've found that they leave them on, and also, the Passport is good enough to pick it up if they hit someone ahead of me.

fusionnv

He is pretty much right. Cops are not stupid, they know that certain areas such as K-mart and supermarkets with automatic doors will drigger a radar detect. Often they hide there because after a while of using a radar detect u know which spots will give off a false warning. They also have areas where they just emit signals to scare drivers into slowing down.

It also only works when the person in front of you or behind you get fuked. The best thing to do is to travel in a group and be in the middle, because they will most likely hit them and not you, but cops sometimes go the extra mile and get everybody with other police cruisers. The detector pretty much only gives u a couple of seconds to slow down.

Now if you have a jammer that is a different story. Those are illegal because they emit radio freq and can cause lots of problems. They give the cops false readings.

kensteele

I'm sorry but I see this in a different perspective. None of us really have the hard facts but I we the next best thing to the hard facts...and that's real life situations. So here's my comments:

Bill, what you are saying is for the most part correct, but when you explain it you give a totally different perception. K band range is not really that old. Depends on where you live. Around here, K-band is about 90%, there is no X-band, and Ka is around but rare. So here, K-band is the order of the day. Ka band may be solely assign to traffic radar, but that doesn't mean a thing when I get more false alarms on Ka than on traffic radar. Yes I read your explanation and I understand it, but the OP asked about his detector always falsing on Ka and never on K. To me I would have responded that there may be something wrong with his detector. And I also would respond by saying not all Ka alerts on a radar detector mean police radar.

Bill you said "Your buddy is correct when Ka is used in instant on mode and you are the one being shot at. Every dectector will only tell you that you are caught. Your only chance against instant on Ka band is when your detector picks up the reflection from someone else being shot at. Some of the later built K band instant on guns are this effective as well. Finally, laser is even more effective for the police. Like Ka your only chance against laser is when your detector picks up the reflection of someone elses shot." I disagree. My detector in this situation doesn't tell me I'm caught. It tells me I'm being clocked or about to be clocked. The police are good but they aren't that good. Often times they turn their radar on early trying to get a history and if you slow down fast enough, you will be fine. God knows I have done this. Dozens of times. Now I don't have the facts (meaning I don't know if I was caught and the police just ignored it or if the cops was unable to confirm my speed) but I can tell you when I was the first man up and I got the first shot with radar, even while speeding I was able to brake and avoid a ticket. So to me, instant on up front is NOT fatal. K, Ka, or X. As for laser, you might be more correct. But I have beat that once or twice myself (do a search on some old posts).

RobG, that's too bad you feel that way about your detector. The fact is they do work. And very well I might add. Since radar can't exactly be used the way you are describing it, it is not so accurate to make that statement. True, if the cops were completely hidden and they were only looking for Rob's car, yes a radar detector is completely ineffective. But in all other 99% of situations, they work well...at least the good ones do. Radar detectors are legal because State governments have been unable or unwilling to outlaw them. They aren't illegal because they don't work. I can think of a few more situations where a radar detector will work well besides in the two situations you mentioned.

Fusionnv, right cops are not stupid. But they aren't specifically looking for detector owners and most of them don't care if you are running a radar detector. Most cops set up speed traps where there are speeders and where they can catch people. They set up speed traps where there are complaints. Not around KMart because the radar detector users speed thru their ignoring their false alerts, really? Some maybe do this but I bet the majority don't even think about it. Besides with the V1, we can find them there amidst the KMart falses anyway. My detector often times gives me more than a few seconds to slow down. But that may be because I have the almighty V1.

TypeSKid, the cop will say the detector is unless because that is how he is trained. The radar manufacturer issues a training manual and it specifically shows the officer how to "defeat radar detectors". After the cops have clocked a few speeders with [bum] radar detectors and ticketed them using the techniques outlined in the manual, they conclude "radar detectors don't work". Well good for them. But I think you know this already. Personally I think there might be something wrong with your unit. I know I have had a few bad units from Escort/Passport over the last 15 years that I was buying them when they were on top (and yes my 8500 was bad). The quality control of that Company basically sucks. So I'm a V1 believer now.

Oh, and cops are only allowed to operate radar on K, Ka, X, and Ku (is that in the States?)

fusionnv

There is a Kmart that is off a major road here in Long Island. It like a highway with stores along the side. It is a six lane street where the speed limit is 55. The kmart is like maybe couple of rows of park cars away from the side of the road. I was in my friend car at the time, normally when we pass it, it would beep one light. Another time it when all the way up, and guess wat, it was a cop shooting cars off to the side. I guess he was trying to get people that are used to the alarm in that area. Luckily we were slowing down for a red light at the time.

NOVAwhiteTypeS

In VA, KA are State troopers, K are country, No one uses X anymore, so unless your going out of state just turn off the X.

btw, was this near edsall road? cause theres ALWAYS a statetrooper sitting on the exit ramp on top of the hill shooting down. unless you have radar you'll never know he's there.

Local speed traps on the fairfax country parkway for example will be K. esp around fairoaks mall

NOVAwhiteTypeS

For pics:

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...ht=escort+8500

And I'll help you out. Im free all this week.

Bill Faure

kensteele: you are correct in that what type of radar/laser you face is more than likely regional. I don't want to imply that Florida is ahead of Kansas in any respect, but K band is nearly gone from Florida. Sure, you'll see it in our most rual areas. It's mostly Ka and laser here. K band was used by our state troopers in the late 70's and early 80's. As such it is viewed as "OLD" technology here. In fact in the early 80's I remember when ESCORT shocked the world by bringing out a detector that detected K band. If you are seeing a lot of K band on your roads I would suggest that Kansas is a better place to speed than is Florida. Our State troopers have the advantage no matter what detector you have. Not only do they have the latest in speed enforcement equipment, but when you're caught they will run you down in police interceptor Camaro Z28's. Most of them don't have the light bar either! Florida bought 900 of the last Z28's down the GM F body production line. I hate seeing them on the road because they are for nothing other that speed enforcement. When you see the interior you realize there is no way they can accomodate a passenger, they can't haul prisoners, they can't help a motorist in distress, or most anything the police interceptor Crown Vic does.

Neech

See if you had this and knew how many fake alarms there are normally, you would know when there was a real danger.

My GAWD! Looks like Florida's first priority is speed enforcement and all the revenue it brings; everything else like murder and larceny come second.

Bill Faure

That is an accurate statement with reguard to the Florida's state troopers, however local and county law enforcement concentrate more on the criminal aspect.

Cseika

The other day... i was crusing at 65 in a 45 zone here in Cali PCH...

All of sudden my radar went burzerg(however u spell that) with Laser... i was like "WTF?" I slowed down to 45 but then minutes later a cop on a bike pulled me over for speeding 65.. he said he got me on laser.....

really makes me wanna chuck my detector out the window..

Neech

Get a laser jammer. They work and pay for themselves in about 2 saved tickets. See sig...

NOVAwhiteTypeS

see if you had this

then you will know your local police's K , and ka band frequency.

or if you had this

you'll know how many k, ka and X band there are. not just how many signals but the TYPE.

so if a cop is hiding in a false x band area and shoots ka it'll say 1 x 1 ka

okay , so who's gonna bust out the v1 arrows for me?

Neech

X and K are on one set frequencies, 10.525 GHz & 24.150 GHz respectively. Ka is a band, 33.4 GHz - 36.0 GHz, which can use any frequency within that band. Knowing what frequency would only be useful with Ka for this reason but since Ka is usually a true police radar and is harder to receive than K and X, knowing that frequency is a mute point cuz your ass better slow down fast!

Rod

That's basically true, especially here in Miami, it's all about the $$$. All cops do here is give out tickets and sit on their asses checking out the chicks at the beach or drinking coffee and talking shit in front of all the cafes we have. Then you take your tickets to the lawyers down here who have some sort of pay-off/commission system setup with the traffic courts and they guarantee you no points. Miami is horrible, trying to get a cop to do his job is almost impossible, unless it involves issuing some sort of ticket. There are a few good ones of course, but most are crap. Especially our State Troopers. Some of the Z28s that Bill mentioned even have nitrous. And throughout the rest of Florida there are many small towns that make the majority of their revenues from speed traps.

TypeSKid

On the radar jammer, where did you have it mounted in your CL?


Can the police detect those at all or no?

TypeSKid

NO WAY! Nitrous in a cop car? You've gotta be kidding.

I bet those jackass's even try and chase bikes too.


A buddy of mine over the weekend who is a cop said that they won't chase a bike, because of the person on the bike dies, then the police office is held liable?

Any truth to that ya think?


(Sorry, I'm hijacking my own thread)!

Rod

Well I don't know the exact reason for it here in Miami, but I do know that they don't and are not supposed to chase bikes. Most bikers here have angled or flip-up plates so that they can just take off from a cop if necessary. But they do try to get to you eventually. My friend had cops show up at his job asking for the owner of the bike parked there, which happened to be his, and they wanted to arrest him because a guy with the same bike and similar jacket kept runnning from them.

Neech

It's not a radar jammer, it a laser jammer.

See here and here for some tested and approved models, by me

kensteele

No I think you would be correct in saying that Florida is ahead of Kansas with respect to traffic radar. I've spent a lot of time in "police states" but when I came here, I was shocked at how little radar is used. Moving/rolling radar is almost none existant in town. That's a good thing but it's bad cause I'm getting no practice (getting rusty).

Bill Faure

I wish I could say I was getting rusty. I hope you appreicate it. The electronic warfare that is happening on Florida's highways is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the traffic itself. If it wasn't for having family in Florida I would move to Kansas myself!

Bluto

Most cops I see don't need "instant-on" to catch people. They leave it full ON, Ka. Even if they used instant on, I'd most likely catch a reflection off someone else's car. I never speed unless there is some traffic in front.

I beat a laser once, the cop was standing outside the car with the laser. He left his car's Ka gun on. I picked it up far away.