gc86

Not sure if its been posted before but check this out, looks like a good buy at 4whp on a stock CL-S6 for only 80~

http://www.powerrevracing.com/store/...62e2260097b24d

krisdlm

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not bad! My car is about to be done 2day so we should definetly meet up sometime.

CleanCL

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it's called the search function.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...le+body+spacer

IMO - i never understood this... for 110$ you get the thermoblok kit which has both the TB spacer AND intake mani spacer. so why would i pay 80 for just a throttle body spacer.

LiquidCLs6

... too lazy to search and inbetween classes so dont really have the time,... where can i get this thermoblok kit? and about how much power gain could i expect from it? thanks

CleanCL

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too lazy to google 'thermoblok'? then you are probably too lazy to install them.

LiquidCLs6

its not that i'm lazy, sorry i guess i shouldn't of said that. and if its as easy as installing the headers then i shouldn't have a problem (i'm not lazy). my next class starts in 5 minutes so dont have the time to search right now... plus i wouldn't mind getting some info from someone on here that has used them before. any info would be appreciated, but i dont mind searching tonight if thats too much to ask. thanks,

cl8trr

dude for $77.99 you get the tb spacer and for $34.99 you get a thermal manifold gasket. thats a more than fair price. now there plenum sets thats a different story

gc86

Yeah true, with the plenum your making some decent power with a good tune, not to mention porting and polishing the IM.

CleanCL

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well if you have class in 5 minutes what good is any info people post here to you, you are just going to have to wait until you have free time to view the info, so instead of having 1,001 posts about the same thing, when you get some free time:

CleanCL

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whats your point? for $110 you get an intake manifold and throttle body spacer, AND gaskets, studs, bolts from outlaw.

gc86

i've searched and read that thread about a million times, but if you noticed the link I posted it was mainly for the 01-03 CL's not the 04-06 TL.

gc86

bah outlaws dyno sheets are fucking wack, p2r actually dynoed this TB spacer on their CL-S6 and got gains.

CleanCL

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it's the same exact thing just made out of different material. and the thermoblok intake manifold spacer is thicker. how could it possibly be different in terms of achieving gains?

gc86

IRC johntypes or whoever dynoed the outlaw spacers and got absolutely squat and his motor was modified, the CL-S6 used for testing was bone stock.

CleanCL

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so because a single dyno showed no gains that completely disproves it?

that one dude dynoed 221whp with a blower... man what a big waste of money a supercharger is... it reduced his power!

sinfulj32

thermoblok spacers are just thermal resistant spacer gaskets that are hardly any thick. p2r TB spacer is not just another thermal gasket its a spacer. i guess there are further gains from just having a thermal gasket in between the TB. nobody said this spacer was for tempreture purposes. i'm pretty sure its different from just the thermoblok TB spacer. i might look into one of these a little down the road

gc86

not completely but if a manufacturers dyno sheet is out of wack and someone else dynos it and doesn't get any gains that kind of hints it doesnt work, I dont doubt it helps with heat soak and what not but the TB spacer should create some type of gain even a minimal one.

2x with what he said ^^

CleanCL

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have you ever seen the thermobloks. They are SPACERS not gaskets. P2R is selling just an intake manifold GASKET.

sinfulj32

man, i HAVE thermoblok spacers. and yes they do look like just a gasket compared to the p2r spacer. i was just calling them gaskets so you didnt confuse them with the p2r "spacer". yah p2r is selling a IM gasket but that is not what the thread is about.

this thread is on the P2R TB spacer as shown in the link. i believe the spacer has a different purpose than that of just a thermal spacer that is 1/8".

it looks interesting but the last time i bought something like this,(thermoblok spacers). i just wasted a 100 bucks and didnt feel any gains. i would look into getting one after someone buys it and reviews it first

CleanCL

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how exactly do the thermobloks look like a gasket? their thick pieces of plastic. you are giving people the wrong impression. those spacers have been around forever and serve exactly the same purpose as the P2R product.

if you buy the p2r TB spacer and 'feel' gains let me know.

gc86

I'll probably do a dyno with them once I finished putting other mods on, and CleanCL lmk about that PM I sent you.

cl8trr

p2rs look bling besides serving a purpose

krisdlm

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so can this be used w/ the tb spacers from outlaw?

gc86

Don't think so Kris

krisdlm

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now that i think about it i shouldnt have even asked that question, but did you feel that earthquake like 20 min ago?!!

gc86

yeah that quake was a beast lol, hella offtopic

Moodist

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I think Josh is putting together an entire kit for the p2R spacers for the CL-S. Also the third-gen TLs seemed to really benefit from the mod:

sinfulj32

8lbs of torque sounds nice. is this a real dyno?

PowerRev

That dyno graph is from a 04+ TL. I will post up dyno from 01-03 later on today. Spacer made more hp on 04+ than it did on 01-03. 01-03 actually did pick up a few hp, but only gained like 1 ft lb of tq

Moodist

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^ Any speculations on why that is? What are the mods on the TL from the dyno, because around 242hp is pretty good.


Are there large changes in the design between the CL and TL spacers?

gc86

Those seem like some very good numbers on the 3rd gen TL, the TQ gain is crazy too. Can't wait to pick this TB spacer up.

CleanCL

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i'm trying to get all of the P2R parts so that i can also do a before/after dyno on their parts to see what gains there are to be had. so if you guys hold on we will eventually have additional graphs.

PowerRev

The graph above was a a 2006 with about 15k miles on it. Not sure if it was a special model or anything, as car had Brembo brakes and stuff on it. Car also had a custom 3" Short Ram intake we made for it. The 04+ TL's tend to make more HP than the 01-03 TL's/CL's.

gc86

x2, dyno's of the TB spacer will be up soon for the A/T CL-S

sinfulj32

P2R what is the actual purpose of the spacer?? does it block heat transfer like a thermoblok spacer? or is there just a benefit from lengthening the space in between the TB? if you could explain this that would good

PowerRev

Hey, The science behind a throttle body spacer is actually to help create more volume inside the intake manifold. Anything after the throttle body can help create more volume. For example, if you make your intake arm 1 inch longer, it will not make the same amount of difference as if you add 1 inch of volume after the throttle body. We are going to release thermal tb gaskets that will actually help in the sense of heat transfer.

Silvaccordex01

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When are the TB gaskets going to be released? Im waiting to buy a kit from excelerate that has the spacer, tb gasket and IM gasket. Any ideas of what it will cost? Also, with the spacer are there any fitment problems with the comptech intake since you are spacing the throttle body out further?

sinfulj32

wrong, like P2R just said... its for extra volume before the TB.

CleanCL

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how am i wrong? have you seen the outlaw engineering spacers... their essentially the same thing, only made out of a different materials. and i'm not sure on thickness because i haven't seen any specific numbers... but they do the same thing...

and it's not for volume before the TB... that would not make sense? it's for volume after the TB to add volume to the intake manifold.

sinfulj32

you know what i mean, jeez