P2R Billet Intake Manifold Plenums
#324
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Originally Posted by sinfulj32
^ what happened to the TB spacers?? has anyone recieved one yet? i would also like to see the gains with this or even both
#325
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Originally Posted by Excelerate
The TB spacers are out but they do not come with the thermal gaskets yet. I will have an order of thermal gaskets coming in in about 1-2 weeks so I can get you guys the whole package and the most hp.
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#326
~10 Torque for 600? not too shabby I'm so excited to see someone developing products for the J series. maybe cams someday??
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
#327
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Originally Posted by shiftityourself
~10 Torque for 600? not too shabby I'm so excited to see someone developing products for the J series. maybe cams someday??
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
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#328
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I have a few question maybe they were answered, this is a 14 page thread.....
1 - Can these be installed without any tuning? I'm interested in direct bolt ons without the need for tuning.
2 - Can these be installed with the Theromoblok spacers I have now?(intake & TB)
3 - Are these are fully compatible with a 6MT CLS?
4 - What are the gains on a 6MT CLS?
5 - Are there any major drawbacks from these?
6 - Can I come down to your shop & get them installed?
1 - Can these be installed without any tuning? I'm interested in direct bolt ons without the need for tuning.
2 - Can these be installed with the Theromoblok spacers I have now?(intake & TB)
3 - Are these are fully compatible with a 6MT CLS?
4 - What are the gains on a 6MT CLS?
5 - Are there any major drawbacks from these?
6 - Can I come down to your shop & get them installed?
#329
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
I have a few question maybe they were answered, this is a 14 page thread.....
1 - Can these be installed without any tuning? I'm interested in direct bolt ons without the need for tuning.
2 - Can these be installed with the Theromoblok spacers I have now?(intake & TB)
3 - Are these are fully compatible with a 6MT CLS?
4 - What are the gains on a 6MT CLS?
5 - Are there any major drawbacks from these?
6 - Can I come down to your shop & get them installed?
1 - Can these be installed without any tuning? I'm interested in direct bolt ons without the need for tuning.
2 - Can these be installed with the Theromoblok spacers I have now?(intake & TB)
3 - Are these are fully compatible with a 6MT CLS?
4 - What are the gains on a 6MT CLS?
5 - Are there any major drawbacks from these?
6 - Can I come down to your shop & get them installed?
2. The only potential problem I can possibly think of is hood clearance. Other than that, I dont see why they will affect each other. Not sure how gains will be either since I have not dynoed them that way.
3. My car is a 6 speed, as was the first car to have them installed on a few months ago. Been on my car for months now. Picture on first page is on a 6 speed.
4. Gains were not as great on my car as it was on Brian car. Mostly because my car does not have a header or anything. My car is mostly stock besides plenums.
5. I can't think of any drawback unless you want to keep the factory plastic cover
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6. Yes.
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Originally Posted by shiftityourself
~10 Torque for 600? not too shabby I'm so excited to see someone developing products for the J series. maybe cams someday??
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
Any ideas on install cost from a professional or difficulty for a non-professional?
I have a neighbor with a 10 second 5.0 mustang that he built himself so I am hoping I can get his help and avoid the trip to the tuning shop.
#334
awesome i think when i get them i will just do it myself.
But i would like to echo fuzzy's question. Are you making them one batch at a time or going to be mass producing them? eg. will you make 20 or something and then wait for them all to sell and then think about making more or will these be readily available no matter when I would buy?
But i would like to echo fuzzy's question. Are you making them one batch at a time or going to be mass producing them? eg. will you make 20 or something and then wait for them all to sell and then think about making more or will these be readily available no matter when I would buy?
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does it come with instructions for installation?? what about someone doing a DIY for these
looking to get a set here pretty soon. i was about to get coilovers, but they can wait for now
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looking to get a set here pretty soon. i was about to get coilovers, but they can wait for now
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Taking Fuzzy's point a bit further.
My understanding is that they are currently being CNCed. There is a lot of material and CNC machine time taken up, has anyone looked into entering into a contract with manufacturer capable of casting these? If you could get a couple hundred sets made, they would sell like hot cakes, especially if it turned out that you can keep an appreciable profit with a slight price reduction.
Just some food for though.
My understanding is that they are currently being CNCed. There is a lot of material and CNC machine time taken up, has anyone looked into entering into a contract with manufacturer capable of casting these? If you could get a couple hundred sets made, they would sell like hot cakes, especially if it turned out that you can keep an appreciable profit with a slight price reduction.
Just some food for though.
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
Thanks for the answers. I'll have to wait till my end of year $. ![Frown](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Are these mass produced or a limited number? Will they still be for sale come January?
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Are these mass produced or a limited number? Will they still be for sale come January?
#338
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Update:
Car has been running great and I've had a 1.5 MPG increase on the last two fresh tanks of gas. I haven't had time to polish up the plenums yet (finals and school projects), but they look amazing none the less. The "butt dyno" is thrilled also
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/1117071103.jpg)
(camera phone picture)
To clear up any confusion earlier that I may have caused here are adjustments straight from the apexi (minus the vtec adjustments explained below):
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/DSCF02411024x768.jpg)
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/DSCF02421024x768.jpg)
The additional gains obtained from the Apexi after the plenums were from the lowered VTEC engagement of 4,100 RPMs from 4,800 rpms.
Car has been running great and I've had a 1.5 MPG increase on the last two fresh tanks of gas. I haven't had time to polish up the plenums yet (finals and school projects), but they look amazing none the less. The "butt dyno" is thrilled also
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![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/1117071103.jpg)
(camera phone picture)
To clear up any confusion earlier that I may have caused here are adjustments straight from the apexi (minus the vtec adjustments explained below):
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/DSCF02411024x768.jpg)
![](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/cookiemonster63/DSCF02421024x768.jpg)
The additional gains obtained from the Apexi after the plenums were from the lowered VTEC engagement of 4,100 RPMs from 4,800 rpms.
#341
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
Questions, does the stock plastic cover still fit? And do these come in black? I read they did, but then have not seen any pics of black ones.
I don't want flash under the hood.
I don't want flash under the hood.
There were originally going to be black ones (I was going to get black), but there was an issue with the company annodizing them. Ask P2R/Excelerate for an update on this.
#343
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Originally Posted by cltypeSLOW
engine bay looks tacky as hell with that giant writing on there.
is there an option to get no logo or engraving on them?
is there an option to get no logo or engraving on them?
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anyways, the billet seems fairly thick, so depending on how deep the engraving it, it might be able to be polished out, otherwise when i coat it in black, the lettering will become less distinct.
btw - i also received a number of other parts from P2R, throttle body space, intake manifold gasket, and EGR delete. all parts are quality pieces. very well made.
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
do you think the plenums would work well w/ a s/c?
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Originally Posted by gc86
Yupp, did you pickup mytrans supercharger yet? I tryed to get the swaybar and b-pipe but it looks like im out of luck... fucking pissed man
#347
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
that's the first thing i noticed when i opened up my packaging... i can't really complain, i don't mind the small logo, but the huge lettering is a little bit of a distraction. all in all, how many people will really see it? it's under your hood.
anyways, the billet seems fairly thick, so depending on how deep the engraving it, it might be able to be polished out, otherwise when i coat it in black, the lettering will become less distinct.
btw - i also received a number of other parts from P2R, throttle body space, intake manifold gasket, and EGR delete. all parts are quality pieces. very well made.
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anyways, the billet seems fairly thick, so depending on how deep the engraving it, it might be able to be polished out, otherwise when i coat it in black, the lettering will become less distinct.
btw - i also received a number of other parts from P2R, throttle body space, intake manifold gasket, and EGR delete. all parts are quality pieces. very well made.
#348
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ever get that mdx peice?
CleanCL and I originally got the wrong spacer, didn't match up. I figured out what spacer we needed. The part was on backorder for me at least and I heard from the almost wife a little while ago it was delievered today.
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Originally Posted by TCM 01 CL-S
The additional gains obtained from the Apexi after the plenums were from the lowered VTEC engagement of 4,100 RPMs from 4,800 rpms.
Originally Posted by NightRider
I still haven't seen anything in this or the P2R thread regarding lowering of VTEC engagement and further tuning. If the VTEC engagement point was lowered to let's say 4400, the cam changover does occur BUT the ECU doesn't fully recognize the changeover until the normal 4800. Therefore it doesn't start to lean out the engine to assist with increased output like it's supposed to in VTEC. So, without changing the VTEC unmatch, in this example you would be losing potential gains between 4400-4800.
Nice color display on the Neo.
Nice color display on the Neo.
#354
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Originally Posted by CleanCL
...btw - i also received a number of other parts from P2R, throttle body space, intake manifold gasket, and EGR delete. all parts are quality pieces. very well made.
#357
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
I was pondering that, but since the thermobloks are already installed I really don't feel like messing with it again.
Ok, back on topic. I'll probably picking up a set of these plenums. Do you have to remove the intake manifold or can you just install the plenums with the manifold intact?
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No the manifold has to come off. Only way to reach the bolts on the bottom of the plenum. The heads are in the way. Not too hard if you had it off before. I could get it done in less then an hour.(complete install)
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
#359
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
No the manifold has to come off. Only way to reach the bolts on the bottom of the plenum. The heads are in the way. Not too hard if you had it off before. I could get it done in less then an hour.(complete install)
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
Is there still a group buy price on these?
#360
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
No the manifold has to come off. Only way to reach the bolts on the bottom of the plenum. The heads are in the way. Not too hard if you had it off before. I could get it done in less then an hour.(complete install)
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
I'm getting them as well towards the end of this month.
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