getting ready just need to clarify warranty if acura will cover or not

 

It all depends on the dealers. But most guranteed will no longer warranty your engine with a supercharger on it. It puts more stress on the engine itself.

Comptech makes the part for the car, not Acura. Comptech will not warranty your car either, they will only warranty your supercharger kit.

 

ask comptech about the extra $200 warranty to cover your entire car still with an ASE certified shop

 

that or order it from Park Ave Acura (which I'm pretty sure they'll back your car with a S/C)

 

Will Acura honor your drivetrain warranty?? The answer is definitely no. Nor should they be expected to.

Will some dealers still honor the drivetrain warranty, possibly but they will be doing so behind the backs of corporate Honda NA but possibly along side some regional managers.

So if you do plan on doing this, have major drivetrain issues and are not prepared to handle them your self, you might want to reconsider. But if handling repair bills, which most likely will not occur, is simple then please go forward and enjoy.

It is not certain that issues will not occur as torque is being increased across the board which puts more strain on parts. However, if parts were susceptible to breaking with the blower then they would regardless of time. So IMO, if someone were to decide to do this but wants to wait for the warranty to expire is pointless as they would be paying for repairs anyway. Enjoy the extra power the entire time you own the car...

 

My thoughts are--If you can afford to drop 4-5k for the blower, you can afford to uninstall it if something happens--And perhaps pay for some of the things that go along w/ the risk....Think of it as Total Cost of Ownership--

I dont know, I want to get one so bad, but I have only put 9k miles on my 2001 CL-S that I bought pre-owned, and that 100k mile warrantee is so sweet--plus my Acura service guy sees the headers and CAI--Anything else and I think he might try to start and pull some shit if something goes wrong...

And as I toss around this argument in my head, Im inclined to go w/ Scalbert and say - Enjoy it while you can, do what you can afford...If the s/c will make you happier--do it, don't look back and ENJOY! You could do worse!

I bought a couple hundred shares of Nortel at 8 bucks a share--So fuck it--just enjoy what you have and go for it


ps - my dealer explicitely told me that a blower would void my drivetrain warrantee

 

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=84719

 

The Supercharger still has a few problems anyway. I have two friends here in Chicago who just had them installed on their '01 Accords.
They do not work with a vtec controller, as the esm is confused by it.
Also, a unichip or fuel management system is needed to make it run well at low and high rpm's. My friends are having a problem with Comptech's fuel pressure regulator as too much fuel pressure is needed to keep the car idling properly. When they try to lean it out to 35 psi which Comptech reccommends, the check engine light comes on and the car dies. They are losing overall hp by cranking the fuel up to keep it running.
A fuel management system would allow a user to have different fuel settings at different rpm ranges. My buddy tried the vtec controller to do this but it conflicted with the comptech esm.
Thier boost was only at 2lbs at first but now seems to be coming around.
I would suggest a fuel pressure gauge under the hood and a boost gauge in the cockpit, as they did, to see what is going on.
My point is Comptech wants to sell alot of these, so they are still hiding a few problems in my opinion.

 

Please refrain from posting this nonsense. As mentioned before in a rather lengthy response, they might want to reconsider installing an SC with the limited knowledge they have or utilize a decent shop to do their work. Otherwise they are making a good product look bad due to incompetence.

The ESM is not a controller of any type, it is a voltage clamp!!! There is nothing for it to be confused. Not knowing this and trying to run a VTEC controller in conjunction (when it is not needed) is heading for problems.

I also ask again, where and how did they measure boost?? Was it mechanical or electrical?? If electrical and taken after the ESM you might only see 2 PSI as this would be correct in functionality.

 

If you have an extended warranty, kiss it goodbye.

 

35 PSI at idle is too low also are they setting it with or without the vacuum line hooked up to both regulators?? This could be one of the sources of problems as they are not properly tuning it.

You should never try to set FP with vacuum hooked up to both regulators...

 

DAMM scalbert,

U are a FKin mechanical PIMP .


Juker008

 

Hey Scalbert do you work for Comptech? How many Superchargers have you installed anyway, none I'm sure.
Nobody said the esm was part of fuel management, it's an electrical signal modifier.
I've personally been involved with two supercharger installs and know from where I speak.
The shop insalling these knows a hell of alot more than you do, so quit talking out of your ass. You are offering opinion and nothing more.
Fuel management is a slight problem with the supercharger right now, call Comptech and ask them, maybe you will learn something.
My buddy will be in the process of testing a new fuel pressure regulator for Comptech next week to solve some of these problems with the supercharger.
Variable psi at different rpm ranges is ideally needed to run the supercharger to it's maximun potential.
Comptech's current regulator has the car running way too rich, so that it doesn't die at idle.

 

No I do not work for Comptech; living in Georgia would make the daily commute hell...

Hrmmm, where to begin, how many SC have I installed, at least ten. How many turbo installs have I done, six... I have used and tuned numerous engine management systems so I do speak from some experience. In fact that nice Eaton blower being used (the GenIV is a product of both Eaton and Magnuson which I saw the original drawings for back four years ago), I programmed some of the test systems for the manufacturing plant in Athens, GA. I also installed the first S-Ported M90 blower available to the public.

Engine management is something I do understand, worked in and have contacts at some automotive manufacturers. So refrain from making blind statements as you have because it can often be way off base.

You specifically stated the ESM was confused. Confused would indicate some type of control. The VAFC is used to alter fuel delivery and was being referred to in the same context as the ESM The ESM just stops a voltage signal from exceeding a preset value. So you did make statements alluding to the greater functionality of the ESM than what it does. This may have been a simple wording misunderstanding which is why I corrected it.

I don't know the shop doing the install but based on what has been presented I stand by my assumptions. Maybe the presentation of their ability has been misrepresented or maybe they are incompetent, I dunno... As for me 'talking out my ass' and them knowing more, you really should not make these assumption based on a disagreement. But you are correct, they are my opinions but they are one's based on both personal and professional experience for many years.

Maybe Comptech's FPR is faulty but using a rising rate regulator is not new. There are many sources for these and they have been used well for years. I have installed various brands from Paxton units to modified stock GM units and have tuned them accordingly. But to do so requires some tools, such as a scan tool, to effectively make it work.

 

prolly no warranty coverage, but dang, Im jealous

 

Ohhh scalbert u are making me sooo hot :wackit: .


Juker008

 

 

sonor kid, dont mess with scalbert, he will SCHOOL you!!!!! oh wait, he just did!!! scalbert is very knowledgable and very respected here on the site.

as far as the SC giving problems on the accord, well its an automatic. the SC for the 6 speed CL-S bolts on and goes!!! i have ridin in it, so i know all about it.

there are things with the auto that make putting a SC on very difficult. there are times on the CL-S auto that the engine has NO TIMING ADVANCE!!!!!!! that is unheard of.

ok enough out of me.

 

Scalbert you rubbed me the wrong way when I first read your post and reacted a little unrationally, so I'll apologize.
I wasn't questioning your overall car knowledge and experience with my comments but was questioning your knowledge of the Supercharger on the Accord. I didn't explain the situation correctly to start with anyway, so it's partly my fault.
The FPR does still need a little work with auto's but overall I love the supercharger and wasn't trying to bash it but trying to let people know that they need to test it and make sure it's working to it's potential for each application.

 

wait... why would comptech send out a product that doesn't work the first time... for shame!

 

scalbert - YOU THE MAN!!!!!

kid - see what happens when you THINK you know what you are talking about?


cl owners (6-speed)- The S/C is great ,sure I am having a little problem but i know of at least 20 or more AV6ers that are fine!
Comptech is a great company and is doing every thing that they should be doing to ensure me of my satisfaction!!!
Dont let the Kid put any doubt in your minds about Comptech, listen to scalbert , he knows what he is talking about!!

 

sonor kid -><- scalbert

sonor kid -><- scalbert

scalbert -><- sonor kid

 

There is no need to apologize; you were merely expressing your opinion. Understand that at no point was I upset. It may seem that way based on my responses; it was just a simple disagreement/debate. We are here to discuss matters pertaining to the subject and related vehicles. In any discussion there will be disagreements and it is for the benefit of all. So discussions should continue but should be understood as being simply that...

As for the FPR being used, I wonder whose Comptech is using. In my experience, there are certain manufacturers of FPRs and most brand label them. I wonder if Comptech is doing the same which I assume they would as it makes sense. By watching some ECU values you can normally determine the source of problems. In fact, some aftermarket SC fueling issues can be attributed to degraded fuel pumps or even faulty or degraded stock FPRs if used in series.

 

You guys have me on the floor with your colorful animation, funny shit!
Et Tu Tool462? My own buddy ripping me?
It's not so funny when my bone stock CLS Auto spanks your supercharged ass!
Tool, Tag and Comptech will resolve thier fuel issues but I still believe Comptech owes them a little more out of that Supercharger.
Scalbert, Peace!

 

As for the FPR u are saying that CT would use sayyy an AEM but then lable it under the CT name?

As for the fuel pumps it is possible to run fuel pump in series. I figured that if one pump is runing at, hypothetically speaking, 100 gallons a sec, and the other is 50 gallons a sec. Wouldn't one then overpower the other?


Juker008

 

Arent the two superchargers different, thats why they didnt come out at the same time??? THought so.

Nick

 

First off, I am not saying they are but Comptech might be brand labeling an FPR. This is commonly done as there are many quality units out there.

This is not the unit Comptech is using but merely an example of brand labeling. The below units are the same excluding the color of the top and the label:

Paxton:


Aeromotive:


Yes, you can run pumps in series but you cannot expect to increase pressure and flow by the summation of the pumps output.

 

The mounting hardware is different but both kits use the same Eaton/Magnuson M62 GenIV blower. I would have preferred they use the M90 since the M62 is close to its limit on the J32A2 engine. We will not be able to turn it much faster without going outside of its efficiency range.

 

So then changing the pulley on the CT SC would place stress on the SC itself?

Changing to a M90 would alow us more HP but there would be a loss in Tq?

Would it be possible to take the internals of a M90 and squeze them into a M62? I'm am only saying this because I doubt CT would spend the time and money on R&D for a new different SC. And to simply throw in a M90 SC w/o the CT name on it Acrua would have a hissy fit and void the warranty.


Juker008

PS Bro u r the shit when it comes to performance knowledge. I feel that I could spend half a lifetime asking u automotive questions and u answering them. I think it would be cool to have a contest to see who can stump scalbert .

 

Not really. It depends on how fast the SC is turning. It would take a serious overdriving of the SC to damage it. What occurs first if someone turns that SC faster than designed is a lack of compression efficiency. It tends to heat the air to a point to where the additional boost is worthless.

Not at all. The M90 is simply a larger blower. For every revolution it turns it moves 28 more CI of air.

Nope, the case is larger on the M90 since it moves more air. I agree, Comptech should not speed the money to engineer two or more systems. The one they made will do fine. The M62 is designed for smaller engines up to our size but is then limited.

There are many knowledgeable people on this forum. Add to that the vastness of the topic and it can be easy to find a topic to where a person does not have knowledge. But I do appreciate the complement…

 

Scalbert, are you planning on getting the SC ? I'm curious about what your thoughts are on it and our 5AT. I'm leaning toward getting it, but i do want to get lots of opinions before doing so, especially from my dealer

 

Yep, I'll be getting it soon.

As for the auto trans issues and the SC, if the trabsaxle is going to fail it will do it regardless. If the trans is fine then proper preparations should be adequate in assisting its durability with the blower.

 

Besides isn't the percentage of tranny failures generally low? Something like 1%....

Smitty

 

Thanks, what do you expect in the quarter with headers and exhaust ?

 

me want 13's in the 1/4!!!

 

Me 2 !!

 

me got 14.19 like matt, stock tires

 

1/4 times on a SC, H, & E. I've seen guys with all that but the SC and instead a 55 shot of nitrous. They do a 13.8-13.9. I also do understand it is nitrous instant and continious, rather than the SC or a T which is progresive. So hitting a 14.1-14.2 seems very logical and predictable.


Juker008

 

So this is where an intercooler would come into play?

How difficult would u think it would be to install an intercooler on our cars?

Do u know if CT is doing research on a IC?


Juker008

 

An IC could mask some of the deficiencies but ideally you want an efficient compressor. Just keep the blower in its efficient range regardless. But even then, an IC is always good as any blower will heat the air as it compresses.

From what I understand, Comptech is working on an IC, Liquid to Air I assume, which will be released next year.