old people should not drive
11-29-2001, 11:53 AM
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old people should not drive
Today I saw one old lady making a turn on the intersection where there is a sign "no turns". The roads in both directions were full of cars. She was blocking fast left lane for all the cars behind her, and she was crossing over to the incoming traffic's lane. So cars in both directions left lanes had to stop, or change lanes from left to right lane. Cars were blowing horns, and the women was so freaken old she could not even understand what is wrong.
Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver
Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver
11-29-2001, 12:02 PM
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Seriously, after a certain age, I think you should have to take a test every six months to see if your still a good driver. I mean there are some op's that can't even see over the steering wheel, their dangerous.
11-29-2001, 01:07 PM
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But it ain't going to happen. And it doesn't need to either. Why? Because they aren't the problem.
There's more young(er) people make those illegal and dangerous left turns than old(er) people. Way more. So why not let's start with the young and/or bad drivers first. Why do you want to pick on old folks?
I don't like their driving either but I'm usually tail-gated by a young person. When I creep into the intersection on my green light and have to sudden brake due to light running, usually it ain't an old person. Be glad she was doing that and not ramming you into a ditch like a drunk driver will.
"Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver." I don't think so.
There's more young(er) people make those illegal and dangerous left turns than old(er) people. Way more. So why not let's start with the young and/or bad drivers first. Why do you want to pick on old folks?
I don't like their driving either but I'm usually tail-gated by a young person. When I creep into the intersection on my green light and have to sudden brake due to light running, usually it ain't an old person. Be glad she was doing that and not ramming you into a ditch like a drunk driver will.
"Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver." I don't think so.
11-29-2001, 01:13 PM
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Stupid young drivers are also very bad, but at least their reaction is good. When people are old, their reaction is very bad. Also orientation, their hands and feet are shaking due to osteoporosis or parkinson disease. When they back up on parking lot they dont look behind, they just put car in reverse and hit the accelerator.
very old people are dangerous behid the wheel !
very old people are dangerous behid the wheel !
11-29-2001, 01:43 PM
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As part of my 'rehabilitation' for not wearing a seatbelt I had to go to seatbelt class. The instructor presented a graph showing teenagers and the elderly having the highest and virtually identical fatality rates. So, at first you think, OK the elderly are bad drivers. Then, he says, 'wrong', they have more fatalities becuase the elderly don't bounce well. A small bump or bruise and its over for them. Which means teenager injuries and fatalities exceed the elderly. But, I'd still rather be following a teenager than a driver-less caddy....so much for stats.
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simple fix...old people DO need to b retested at least once a year after age 65.
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
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11-29-2001, 01:55 PM
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I think we should not compare old drivers to young drivers, its comparing apples and oranges. Lets talk about old drivers.
65 years old might not be that bad.
How about old lady that leaves in my appartment building which is 85 years old, and still drives her old mobile. When she opens a door in her car, her legs and hands are shaking, and she one by one puts her legs in the car using her hands ( having problems lifting a leg !?
)
Then she drives.
I feel like calling 911 and reporting that someone is breaking a law.
65 years old might not be that bad.
How about old lady that leaves in my appartment building which is 85 years old, and still drives her old mobile. When she opens a door in her car, her legs and hands are shaking, and she one by one puts her legs in the car using her hands ( having problems lifting a leg !?
)Then she drives.
I feel like calling 911 and reporting that someone is breaking a law.
11-29-2001, 02:26 PM
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A number of insurance companies give further discounts to people over 50-years of age.
I nearly got ran into by a rather old fellow (must have been in his 80s) taking his re-test for the DMV. The near miss was right after he ran the entire side of the car over the curb to the north of the DMV's lot. I found him in the DMV screaming about the loss of his driving RIGHTS.
Then there was the 70+ year old woman that ran a 2-way stop going around 60 mph (in a 25 zone). We had to slide sideway into some bushes to avoid being killed -- No damage was done to us, but the person was not driving carefully and would have killed my wife.
Eighteen to mid twenty year olds have driven around the very same tight 25MPH BLIND hairpin on the infamous Mulholland Dr.(with tires screeching on the wrong side of the double yellow line), and I have gotten used to finding the dirt shoulder in anticipation of these idiots on their Kamikaze runs. They all had big grins on their faces as they watched me exercise my survival skills. This has happened more than three times!
To, finish the diatribe, tell me how many cars you see out on Saturday night from 12AM to 3AM weaving or bobbing back-and-forth in their lanes or actually swerving out of their lane. (Ask a policeman about this sometime…)
Should everyone under 30 be tested (due to testosterone overload, Kamikaze syndrome, etc)?
OR
Should everyone over 70 be tested (due to the potential Alzheimer’s patient that tried to t-bone us)?
OR
So -- should everyone be retested at a track every year? Is there any way to keep incompetent drivers off the street without public outcry?
The "solution" always seems so easy when the people that are burdened by "regulations" are people that are in other "groups" (age, gender, etc -- take your pick).
IMO -- When it comes to terrible driving, this is truly the land of equal opportunity!
I nearly got ran into by a rather old fellow (must have been in his 80s) taking his re-test for the DMV. The near miss was right after he ran the entire side of the car over the curb to the north of the DMV's lot. I found him in the DMV screaming about the loss of his driving RIGHTS.
Then there was the 70+ year old woman that ran a 2-way stop going around 60 mph (in a 25 zone). We had to slide sideway into some bushes to avoid being killed -- No damage was done to us, but the person was not driving carefully and would have killed my wife.
Eighteen to mid twenty year olds have driven around the very same tight 25MPH BLIND hairpin on the infamous Mulholland Dr.(with tires screeching on the wrong side of the double yellow line), and I have gotten used to finding the dirt shoulder in anticipation of these idiots on their Kamikaze runs. They all had big grins on their faces as they watched me exercise my survival skills. This has happened more than three times!
To, finish the diatribe, tell me how many cars you see out on Saturday night from 12AM to 3AM weaving or bobbing back-and-forth in their lanes or actually swerving out of their lane. (Ask a policeman about this sometime…)
Should everyone under 30 be tested (due to testosterone overload, Kamikaze syndrome, etc)?
OR
Should everyone over 70 be tested (due to the potential Alzheimer’s patient that tried to t-bone us)?
OR
So -- should everyone be retested at a track every year? Is there any way to keep incompetent drivers off the street without public outcry?
The "solution" always seems so easy when the people that are burdened by "regulations" are people that are in other "groups" (age, gender, etc -- take your pick).
IMO -- When it comes to terrible driving, this is truly the land of equal opportunity!
11-29-2001, 02:39 PM
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And the 70 year old man who rammed me and my 2-month old CL would never have happened. Old ppl vote and their vote counts, thats why they still have the privledge to drive. Plain and simple.
11-29-2001, 03:02 PM
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Below is an excerpt (not too long, I hope) from an article in the December 1995 issue of Consumers' Research Magazine giving some statistics on age and automobile accidents:
"But, when expressed as the number of deaths per 100,000 population, the traffic death rate is actually higher for those older than age 74 than it is for any age group except for those between the ages of 16 and 24 years. Although these data are interesting, they do not speak directly to the safety of the elderly as drivers because they include the deaths of elderly passengers and pedestrians as well as of elderly drivers, and because they reflect the pattern of increasing frailty with age-an 80-year-old male is four times as likely to die as a 20-year-old male in a crash of the same severity.
To assess the risks to others posed by elderly drivers, it is instructive to consider crash-involvement statistics, which are based on crashes severe enough to cause a report to be filed with the police. When crash involvement rates are computed by age of driver and adjusted for the number of vehicle miles of travel, a general U-shaped pattern emerges, as shown in the graphic below. Crash rates are elevated for the young and the old. Of all age groups, drivers over age 86 have the highest rate of crash involvement: 40 crashes per 100 million vehicle miles of travel (vmt). Even the notoriously risky-driving youth age group has a lower rate of crash involvement than the oldest Americans.
The mileage fatality rates by age group exhibit a similar pattern. Teenagers have a fatality rate of 6.6 deaths per 100 million vmt, while drivers in their forties have a rate of less than 1.0. As the graphic illustrates, the rate rises sharply after age 76 and reaches a high of 31 deaths per 100 million vmt for drivers over the age of 86. Part of this elevated fatality risk reflects the relative frailty of older drivers, as mentioned above; the number of fatalities per crash begins to rise rapidly after age 70."
"But, when expressed as the number of deaths per 100,000 population, the traffic death rate is actually higher for those older than age 74 than it is for any age group except for those between the ages of 16 and 24 years. Although these data are interesting, they do not speak directly to the safety of the elderly as drivers because they include the deaths of elderly passengers and pedestrians as well as of elderly drivers, and because they reflect the pattern of increasing frailty with age-an 80-year-old male is four times as likely to die as a 20-year-old male in a crash of the same severity.
To assess the risks to others posed by elderly drivers, it is instructive to consider crash-involvement statistics, which are based on crashes severe enough to cause a report to be filed with the police. When crash involvement rates are computed by age of driver and adjusted for the number of vehicle miles of travel, a general U-shaped pattern emerges, as shown in the graphic below. Crash rates are elevated for the young and the old. Of all age groups, drivers over age 86 have the highest rate of crash involvement: 40 crashes per 100 million vehicle miles of travel (vmt). Even the notoriously risky-driving youth age group has a lower rate of crash involvement than the oldest Americans.
The mileage fatality rates by age group exhibit a similar pattern. Teenagers have a fatality rate of 6.6 deaths per 100 million vmt, while drivers in their forties have a rate of less than 1.0. As the graphic illustrates, the rate rises sharply after age 76 and reaches a high of 31 deaths per 100 million vmt for drivers over the age of 86. Part of this elevated fatality risk reflects the relative frailty of older drivers, as mentioned above; the number of fatalities per crash begins to rise rapidly after age 70."
11-29-2001, 03:10 PM
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Old people do drive terribly sometimes, I can't disagree with that. But I think some people are missing the point:
1.When you see a horrible multiple fatality collision, who is most often at fault?
2.When was the last time you saw an 80-year old going 85mph and driving dangerously?
3.DWI/DUI, is it pervasive amongst the elderly?
I'm just saying that if you nearly get into a bad accident, you get more outraged if the idiot driver was an old person instead of a young person. You immediately think about trying to ban the old guy AND all of his old friends from driving to protect yourself from future discomfort. You think of bad driving as a disease among the elderly. Do you think of it this way for the young? Not really.
All I'm saying is that if I (were the Governor) could revoke the licenses of ALL drivers over 75 or under 25 in your state with the sweep of a pen, sorry Soopa!
Lots of good, responsible drivers but a lot of deadly ones too.
Too many, way too many irresponsible younger drivers that I am more afraid of than the old person. When I'm in rush hour traffic, I don't see too many old people. When I out after midnite, I don't see too many old people. When I call in DWIs, it ain't the elderly. I see the elderly driving poorly, but most of the time it's not fatal driving, just plain bad driving.
You guys have said it yourself. Old lady moving slow in the #1 lane. Old man slamming on the brakes on the yellow light instead of gunning it. Street racing with kids over 100 mph. If you get hit head-on down a one-way street, it's more likely to be from 1) a drunk, then 2) a young person in a police chase failing to yield, then 3) an old person who missed 3 "DO NOT ENTER" signs. No I don't have the stats on paper, they're in my head from over two decades of driving.
My 2 cents.
1.When you see a horrible multiple fatality collision, who is most often at fault?
2.When was the last time you saw an 80-year old going 85mph and driving dangerously?
3.DWI/DUI, is it pervasive amongst the elderly?
I'm just saying that if you nearly get into a bad accident, you get more outraged if the idiot driver was an old person instead of a young person. You immediately think about trying to ban the old guy AND all of his old friends from driving to protect yourself from future discomfort. You think of bad driving as a disease among the elderly. Do you think of it this way for the young? Not really.
All I'm saying is that if I (were the Governor) could revoke the licenses of ALL drivers over 75 or under 25 in your state with the sweep of a pen, sorry Soopa!
Lots of good, responsible drivers but a lot of deadly ones too.Too many, way too many irresponsible younger drivers that I am more afraid of than the old person. When I'm in rush hour traffic, I don't see too many old people. When I out after midnite, I don't see too many old people. When I call in DWIs, it ain't the elderly. I see the elderly driving poorly, but most of the time it's not fatal driving, just plain bad driving.
You guys have said it yourself. Old lady moving slow in the #1 lane. Old man slamming on the brakes on the yellow light instead of gunning it. Street racing with kids over 100 mph. If you get hit head-on down a one-way street, it's more likely to be from 1) a drunk, then 2) a young person in a police chase failing to yield, then 3) an old person who missed 3 "DO NOT ENTER" signs. No I don't have the stats on paper, they're in my head from over two decades of driving.
My 2 cents.
11-29-2001, 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by russianDude
Stupid young drivers are also very bad, but at least their reaction is good. When people are old, their reaction is very bad. Also orientation, their hands and feet are shaking due to osteoporosis or parkinson disease. When they back up on parking lot they dont look behind, they just put car in reverse and hit the accelerator.
very old people are dangerous behid the wheel !
Stupid young drivers are also very bad, but at least their reaction is good. When people are old, their reaction is very bad. Also orientation, their hands and feet are shaking due to osteoporosis or parkinson disease. When they back up on parking lot they dont look behind, they just put car in reverse and hit the accelerator.
very old people are dangerous behid the wheel !
Young drivers might have faster rxn times, but making the wrong decision faster is not a good thing...
11-29-2001, 03:24 PM
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Drving 10 MPH in 50 MPH zone is not any better than driving 100 MPH in 50MPH zone.
Why are we even comparing studpid teenagers to very old people? Teenagers is a separate discussion.
Stupidity, and physical incapability are two different things.
Stupid teenagers or agressive drivers involved in traffic accidents can be punished by paying fines or serving time in prison.
The right punishment might actually change people, and make them think twice before doing something dangerous.
But it you take old people, you can't punish them because it's not realy their fault. Their physical condition is not acceptable for driving and endangering lives of others.
Why are we even comparing studpid teenagers to very old people? Teenagers is a separate discussion.
Stupidity, and physical incapability are two different things.
Stupid teenagers or agressive drivers involved in traffic accidents can be punished by paying fines or serving time in prison.
The right punishment might actually change people, and make them think twice before doing something dangerous.
But it you take old people, you can't punish them because it's not realy their fault. Their physical condition is not acceptable for driving and endangering lives of others.
11-29-2001, 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpius
Young drivers might have faster rxn times, but making the wrong decision faster is not a good thing...
Young drivers might have faster rxn times, but making the wrong decision faster is not a good thing...
If so inclined, DMVs could test reaction times on a good “test” track area.
However, I don't know of any currently available "impulse control" test for suicide mongers, adrenalin junkies, and people with piss poor judgment.
11-29-2001, 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by HellaWhat
And the 70 year old man who rammed me and my 2-month old CL would never have happened. Old ppl vote and their vote counts, thats why they still have the privledge to drive. Plain and simple.
And the 70 year old man who rammed me and my 2-month old CL would never have happened. Old ppl vote and their vote counts, thats why they still have the privledge to drive. Plain and simple.
11-29-2001, 04:43 PM
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Re: old people should not drive
Originally posted by russianDude
Today I saw one old lady making a turn on the intersection where there is a sign "no turns. ... deleted ... Cars were blowing horns, and the women was so freaken old she could not even understand what is wrong.
Today I saw one old lady making a turn on the intersection where there is a sign "no turns. ... deleted ... Cars were blowing horns, and the women was so freaken old she could not even understand what is wrong.
11-29-2001, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Scooter
simple fix...old people DO need to b retested at least once a year after age 65.
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
simple fix...old people DO need to b retested at least once a year after age 65.
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
11-29-2001, 06:10 PM
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Re: old people should not drive
Originally posted by russianDude
Today I saw one old lady making a turn on the intersection where there is a sign "no turns". The roads in both directions were full of cars. She was blocking fast left lane for all the cars behind her, and she was crossing over to the incoming traffic's lane. So cars in both directions left lanes had to stop, or change lanes from left to right lane. Cars were blowing horns, and the women was so freaken old she could not even understand what is wrong.
Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver
Today I saw one old lady making a turn on the intersection where there is a sign "no turns". The roads in both directions were full of cars. She was blocking fast left lane for all the cars behind her, and she was crossing over to the incoming traffic's lane. So cars in both directions left lanes had to stop, or change lanes from left to right lane. Cars were blowing horns, and the women was so freaken old she could not even understand what is wrong.
Being very old is even worse than be a drunk driver
Yeah? I saw a kid trying to do doughnuts in a Civic at Wal-Mart. We can be here for days. Old people got old for a reason, they survived the days before traction control, front wheel drive, radials, and even seatbelts. IMO they earned the right to drive.
11-29-2001, 07:13 PM
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Re: Re: old people should not drive
Originally posted by Scorpius
Yeah? I saw a kid trying to do doughnuts in a Civic at Wal-Mart. We can be here for days. Old people got old for a reason, they survived the days before traction control, front wheel drive, radials, and even seatbelts. IMO they earned the right to drive.
Yeah? I saw a kid trying to do doughnuts in a Civic at Wal-Mart. We can be here for days. Old people got old for a reason, they survived the days before traction control, front wheel drive, radials, and even seatbelts. IMO they earned the right to drive.
We just implement the "bounty" system with all of the unemployed workers. Hey, we just spend a few more trillion dollars and have informer/auto-vigilante squads with cameras and "etiquette/regulation/vehicle code-books" watching every vehicle and driver aged 16 to 100. Then they can report to the new "Peoples Department of Driver Improvement and Etiquette", where they can issue nasty tickets and summons to all of the nonconforming and wayward drivers. Overaggressive male drivers will get a suitable medication or electroshock, while older drivers who wander into the sides of houses will be implanted with anti-driving microchips (or bracelets). Problem solved! Of course, all recipients will have to pay a month’s wages for any infraction (if anyone is left in the private sector to pay them)…
Oh, joy...
(just kidding....)
11-29-2001, 07:32 PM
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you wait and see
Wait until you guys get old and feel useless to society! Maybe you'll feel different then! They are the elderly! Give them a break young man! Show a little respect!
11-29-2001, 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by madmax-cl
I totally agree with Scooter. The very young should be penalized if severe damage is done. The elderly should be retested every year. As for kensteele, what the hell is wrong with you. Are old or something? I know someone at work who constantly itched himself for some reason. He did it so much that he would let go of the wheel and swerve everywhere. One time he even messed up one side of his volvo against a 18 wheeler. After a certain age, the elderly should not drive or not drive by themselves, like a driver's permit.
I totally agree with Scooter. The very young should be penalized if severe damage is done. The elderly should be retested every year. As for kensteele, what the hell is wrong with you. Are old or something? I know someone at work who constantly itched himself for some reason. He did it so much that he would let go of the wheel and swerve everywhere. One time he even messed up one side of his volvo against a 18 wheeler. After a certain age, the elderly should not drive or not drive by themselves, like a driver's permit.
Here's your sentence modified: "I know someone at work who constantly looked at herself in the rearview mirror for some reason. She did it so much on the way to work that she takes her eyes off the road and swerve everywhere. One time she nearly ended up rear-ending the driver in front of her during rush hour traffic. Before a certain age, the young should not drive or not drive by themselves, like a learner's permit."
Drving across town to the DMW for a 88 year old lady is probably more mileage than she drives all month, you have effectively put yourself more at risk by having her get on the freeway, the same freeway she never gets on if she can help it.
This is silly, it ain't gonna happen. Yes a few elderly drivers are bad but there's not that many of them.
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damn.that was sad.but i had the same situation as yours.my wife's civic rear widnow was hit by a baseball bat by some of stupid young teenager.cause us about $450 to replace it.but hard part is that it will be very difficult and annoy to clean up all the small pieces broken glass. :o
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damn.that was sad.but i had the same situation as yours.my wife's civic rear widnow was hit by a baseball bat by some of stupid young teenager.cause us about $450 to replace it.but hard part is that it will be very difficult and annoy to clean up all the small pieces broken glass. :o
damn.that was sad.but i had the same situation as yours.my wife's civic rear widnow was hit by a baseball bat by some of stupid young teenager.cause us about $450 to replace it.but hard part is that it will be very difficult and annoy to clean up all the small pieces broken glass.
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11-30-2001, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Scooter
simple fix...old people DO need to b retested at least once a year after age 65.
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
simple fix...old people DO need to b retested at least once a year after age 65.
as far as the kids go, everyone in the US gets their licenses as of age 21...y?? b/c MOST people are mature enough at that age, as opposed to Georgia where they get licenses at like 15!!!!! there should b multiple training sessions for later teens to prepare them for driving...they should indeed watch those boring Driver's Ed videos of car wrecks, but they should also b trained to handle various situations, such as controling a spin, braking in wet weather, etc...my Driver's Ed never taught that in either video or real life...finally, there should b a probationary period of at least 2 years where severe penalties are placed upon new drivers who deliberately break the law...the worse the offense, the harsher the penalty...after age 23, they have normal-life driving priviledges.
that's how i c it from my experiences with both young and old, but im only 24 and can't fully guage whether the younger folk are more at fault than the older folk...i get pissed at both when they drive horrendously
[sarcasm]Hurrah for idealism[/sarcasm]. I can understand raising the age to 18 or even 19 but after that its just stupid. When you turn 18 you become an adult. If you work or have to do errands etc it would be nice to have a car. If you can afford it and pay for it and pass the state test then you should be able to drive. It would be complete and utter bullshit if you couldn't get a license until you were 21. Seriously think about what you just wrote and its implications. As for provisional licenses...in California you get your license at 16. For 6 months you can't have passengers in your car unless they are over 25. For a year you can't drive from 12:00PM-5:00AM. Any violation of those could be from a fine to revoking the license until the age of 18.
11-30-2001, 07:05 PM
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Oh as for all those people calling for severe punishments for people who just got there licenses...
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
11-30-2001, 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by bioyuki
Oh as for all those people calling for severe punishments for people who just got there licenses...
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
Oh as for all those people calling for severe punishments for people who just got there licenses...
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
ac·ci·dent [áksid?nt, áksi dent] (plural ac·ci·dents) noun
1. chance: the way things happen without any planning, apparent cause, or deliberate intent
11-30-2001, 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by EricL
That's why they call it an
ac·ci·dent [áksid?nt, áksi dent] (plural ac·ci·dents) noun
1. chance: the way things happen without any planning, apparent cause, or deliberate intent
That's why they call it an
ac·ci·dent [áksid?nt, áksi dent] (plural ac·ci·dents) noun
1. chance: the way things happen without any planning, apparent cause, or deliberate intent
11-30-2001, 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by bioyuki
Wow, thats the stupidiest thing I've heard lately. [sarcasm]Hurrah for idealism[/sarcasm]. I can understand raising the age to 18 or even 19 but after that its just stupid. When you turn 18 you become an adult. If you work or have to do errands etc it would be nice to have a car. If you can afford it and pay for it and pass the state test then you should be able to drive. It would be complete and utter bullshit if you couldn't get a license until you were 21. Seriously think about what you just wrote and its implications.
As for provisional licenses...in California you get your license at 16. For 6 months you can't have passengers in your car unless they are over 25. For a year you can't drive from 12:00PM-5:00AM. Any violation of those could be from a fine to revoking the license until the age of 18.
Wow, thats the stupidiest thing I've heard lately.
[sarcasm]Hurrah for idealism[/sarcasm]. I can understand raising the age to 18 or even 19 but after that its just stupid. When you turn 18 you become an adult. If you work or have to do errands etc it would be nice to have a car. If you can afford it and pay for it and pass the state test then you should be able to drive. It would be complete and utter bullshit if you couldn't get a license until you were 21. Seriously think about what you just wrote and its implications. As for provisional licenses...in California you get your license at 16. For 6 months you can't have passengers in your car unless they are over 25. For a year you can't drive from 12:00PM-5:00AM. Any violation of those could be from a fine to revoking the license until the age of 18.
To tell you the truth, if everyone under 21 was missing from the streets, no one would even blink.
11-30-2001, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by bioyuki
Oh as for all those people calling for severe punishments for people who just got there licenses...
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
Oh as for all those people calling for severe punishments for people who just got there licenses...
Think about it...accidents happen to EVERYBODY. Sometimes is the mom in the minivan, the teenager, the elderly, or the worker returning home. Imposing stricter penalties based on age is flat out discrimination. I can understand stricter penalties if a law was broken but thats about it.
It's not age discrimination and they're not penalties. They're a fact of life. I can name you at least a dozen situations where you are not allowed to do some, get something, run something, be something, drink something, or own something based on your age and we're talking about after age 18 or 21; the so-called age at which you think you now own the world.
What age are you punished by having to sign up for the draft?
What is the minimum age to apply to be U.S. Marshal?
What is the minimum age to avoid a surcharge penalty for renting a vehicle?
In some companies, what age do you have to be to get into their 401k program?
Aren't their some laws about zero tolerance for alcohol in teen's blood?
Can you rent a townhome in a retirement community?
Can a 19 year old purchase a handgun?
Shall I go on?
Most of the penalties for car stuff is NOT written but it is certainly practiced and applied in court and on the street. Not always though. Is that really age discrimination or is it age biased? Not saying there's no such thing as age discrimination, but it not what you think it is which is once I turn 18, I should bestowed all the rights and priviledges of my 50 year old friends.
11-30-2001, 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by kensteele
Hehe, you must be a younger person.
It's not age discrimination and they're not penalties. They're a fact of life. I can name you at least a dozen situations where you are not allowed to do some, get something, run something, be something, drink something, or own something based on your age and we're talking about after age 18 or 21; the so-called age at which you think you now own the world.
Hehe, you must be a younger person.
It's not age discrimination and they're not penalties. They're a fact of life. I can name you at least a dozen situations where you are not allowed to do some, get something, run something, be something, drink something, or own something based on your age and we're talking about after age 18 or 21; the so-called age at which you think you now own the world.
As for the things you listed that can not be done at the age of 18: Many of those things are outside the domain of the Government. Oh and yes, there is a Zero Tolerance Policy currently in place for teenagers (at least in California).
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