Buyers looking for a six-speed manual transmission in Acura's 3.2TL Type-S sedan will wait a little longer. Honda confirmed the 2002 CL coupe will get a six-speed gearbox when it debuts this fall, but the company is still mulling whether to offer the same tranny in its TL. Sources tell us if demand is there, it's a good possibility the manual will show up next year on the TL, because it wouldn't require major engineering work.

Here is the link:
http://www.competitionpress.com/news...nb34768nc10629

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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

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2002 TL Type-S
Blk/Ebony
Comptech Springs
V1 hard-wired
More to come....

 

I think I'll wait a year. That will give them time to get any bugs worked out and give me time to pay off my CL-S. Then I'll be all over that thing!

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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S
Spoiler, Navi, Cupholder 2.0, 35% tint all around
Charter member of the Scratched Rim Club

 

That sounds like a good plan. My CL-S still has that new car smell. I couldn't imagine trading it in so soon. But sometimes I do miss having a clutch pedal. You sure do stop fast when you hit the brake with your left foot.

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Sypher (www.sypher.com)
'01 Black CL Type-S
Valentine-1

 

hot diggity dog thats going to make one hell of a fun car. probablt do 0-60 in 6.0 and be a no cost option!!!

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ubb code

 

hey does this mean that they will change the place of the E-break on all 2002 models?

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2002 TL Type-S
Blk/Ebony
Comptech Springs
V1 hard-wired
More to come....

 

Probably.

I think that the arrival of a 6 speed manual will bring more changes to the car. Changes that will have to do with a sportier character for the car. I am not saying what but you'll see.



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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

Yes, when I "heard" thru the grapevine, Mr. Biggs with HONDA, said...."6 speed and other goodies" can't wait, new look, Sema Body kit, sportier ! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahoooooooo !

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"We're spoiled rotten"
Waiting for 6 speed manual CLS !
2001 CL Type S Black/Ebony w/NAVI, PIAA bulbs, Tinted windows, JL Sub-woofer/Fosgate 250 watt amp, Comptech Sway Bars, otherwise pure stock
1998 Accord Coupe EX-V6
Black Currant Pearl, PIAA bulbs, tinted windows, Fosgate 500 watt amp, Eclipes 6X9's,JL Sub-woofer, otherwise PURE stock !

 

I wouldn't buy it. Auto w/SS is great.

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* 2001 Acura CL Type S * Blk/Blk * Navigator * Spoiler * Moonroof Visor * V1 *
* Since 3/31/2000 *
* Road Warrior *

 

well, i know for sure now that the c240 (or whatever it is) in manual HAS a foot ebrake.

 

Actually kensteele, I would agree with you 100% if that 3rd and 4th were 25% to 30% shorter. That is my biggest problem.

I was thinking about that the other day and here is what the bottom line is.

If you want to really feel the power of this car you have to be above 5000 rpm. Possible 5500rpm. Gears 1st, 4th and 5th are excluded automatically because:
1st gear: there is no fun, you are going too slow no matter where the tach is.
4th: Not fun to be at 140mph
5th: It wont even go to 5500 rpm possibly, bottom line this is an irrelevant gear when it comes to fun.

SO

That leaves us with 2 FRICKING GEARS! This car has a 2 speed automatic tranny as far as I am concerned. It gets worse.

Now, if the fun is from 5250rpm to 7000 rpm that translates to the following in 2nd and 3rd gears:

2nd gear: 55mph to 70mph
3rd gear: 85mph to 115mph

Now, you have to agree that the latter (3rd gear) speed is illegal to the point that you are going to jail. Now I am not saying I have not been there (the speed, not to jail), but it is not a comfortable speed to be for a lengthy time.

And that leaves us with 2nd geear which is rediculeous.

THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF WITH OUR TRANNY, not the fact that it is NOT a manual.

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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

I don't know how to drive a manual, and I can't afford a new car.

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Red 3.2 CL-S.
"Life is too short not to be Italian." -Paul Sorvino
"How do you expect your date to turn over if your engine doesn't?" -Original
Proud member of "I didn't hit the curb like a dope and scratch my rims" club.

 

Bugs? What bugs? We are not dealing with Micro$oft product here, remember?
Just imagine a letter in the mail from your Acura dealership:
"Hello, Sir/Madam,
Honda Inc. has just released Service Pack 1 for your Acura CL type S. Please either visit their website or our dealership for new software"

j/k

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'01 CL Silver CLS
I don't trust Gtech anymore.

 

I heard about a problem with the S2000's tranny in the first year. Also, when was the last time Honda/Acura had a V6, FWD, trans mounted, manual? Uh, never? So that means that this is probably a newly designed unit from the ground up. As good as Honda is, there are always unexpected things either with the design or manufacturing of something new.

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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S
Spoiler, Navi, Cupholder 2.0, 35% tint all around
Charter member of the Scratched Rim Club

 

uh 96 ledgend coupe



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'01 3.2 CL typeS
H&R o.e.'s 1.0/1.0
AEM cold air w/bypass
---PIAA 19224----
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around
kill list
ITR.'98gt,GTP,contour SVT
GS-R,87 GT,supra...and more to come
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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

How about the 6-spd Legend Coupe --> those manual autos had one or two bugs in 'em .. plus they didn't sell well at all.

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2002 Acura TL-S
1999 MB E320 4-matic
M3_Killer .. in the snow
1998 Isuzu Rodeo
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[This message has been edited by TL_Type_S (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

My feelings EXACTLY !!!!!!!!

Of course a quick test drive and credit approval could change all that thinking.

Shawn S


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Make me an offer….It’s FOR SALE when the 6-Speed MANUAL comes out, I HATE the SLUSH SHIFT !!!

2001 CL Type S - NAV - San Marino RED / Parchment - Spoiler - 35% Tint - Roof Visor - PIAA Lamps
GOLD Emblems & Grill - V1 w/remote - KICKER AMP w/(2) 10" Alumapro Subs - Xephyr CAI - Shine by ZAINO
For Photos see: PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 4 V1 & SUBS

 

My dad has a 94 Legend sedan. Its a V6 and FWD, but the engine is not trans mounted. Did they even make the Legend in 96? I though the RL had replaced it by then.


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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S
Spoiler, Navi, Cupholder 2.0, 35% tint all around
Charter member of the Scratched Rim Club

 

I agree with you %100! 2nd gear is a JOKE!



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'01 Silver TYPE-S (navi)

• Spoiler
• Comptech Springs
• 18"ADR Enigma & 225/40
• 35%tint all around
• Polarg M-6
• Xephyr CAI
• Comptech Headers
• Comptech Sways
• Denso Iridium Plugs

Click here for pics of my CL!

 

95 was the last year for the legend in the US. apparently, the RL is still called the legend in japan & other countries (correct me if i'm wrong).

In 94 and 95 you could get the 6 speed in the legend. engine was mounted longitudinally rather than the transverse mount the CL has. i got 125k on my 6 speed with no problems. honda DOES know how to build a smooth shifting, durable manual tranny. i'd buy a first year 6 speed CL in a second if my BMW was not already on a boat bound for the US.....

 

1995 was the last year for the Legend.
I heard a lot of problems with the stick shift models, but I sold my 91 5-Speed Coupe with 110,000 miles and it still had the original clutch in it.

After reading about how some of you guys drive here, I would recommend sticking with the AUTO.
A bad driver can FRY a clutch in under 5,000 miles EASY.
And the factory warranty definitely WON’T cover that kind of damage.

Shawn S


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Make me an offer….It’s FOR SALE when the 6-Speed MANUAL comes out, I HATE the SLUSH SHIFT !!!

2001 CL Type S - NAV - San Marino RED / Parchment - Spoiler - 35% Tint - Roof Visor - PIAA Lamps
GOLD Emblems & Grill - V1 w/remote - KICKER AMP w/(2) 10" Alumapro Subs - Xephyr CAI - Shine by ZAINO
For Photos see: PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 4 V1 & SUBS

 

He meant to say 93-95 Legend Coupe, and 94-95 GS Legend Sedan with 6-Speed manual. All other Legends had a 5-Speed. But you are right, the engine is longitudinal. However, the 86-90 Legend Sedan, and the 87-90 Legend Coupes engine was mounted transverse, and had a 5-Speed manual.

The only bug in the 6-Speed Legend trans is the notchy 1-2 shift, which good synthetic oil cures about 98% of that notchyness. All the other complaints like weak clutch, and such is just not true.

So like others mentioned, Honda can build a good 6-Speed if they wanted.

The part about Honda not offering the 6-Speed in the TL-S until possibly 1 year later sound more like marketing to me. If they put a 6-Speed in the TL at the same time the CL gets it, the sales figure will look the same as they do now. The TL will outsell the CL. I feel (and this is just my opinion) Honda wants to try and boost the CL sales by offering the manual in the CL only at first.

Here is a small reason why I feel the Legend manual did not sell as well. Sure, most people will opt for the auto in a luxury car. No question. But the manual Legends where almost never stocked in showroom. If you wanted a manual Legend, you had to special order it. Some dealers may have keept 1, or 2 manuals, but that was rare. By special ordering it, you ended up having to wait for the car, and also pay a bit more for the car then it should have been, because the dealer would throw that Special order phrase at you. That could be why the manuals did not sell as many as it could have. Seems like everyone who ownes a second hand Legend now wants a manual one.

All told, I'm happy Honda is offering a manual for the CL. I just really hope they do offer it for the TL as well.

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Chris K.

 

Hey synth, you are a synth player right? I got an SY 85 at home and playing around with Cakewalk on the PC. What do you got?

Oops. Off topic...better e-mail me.

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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

I think this have been covered before, but I have to ask: Why did you buy a car with an automatic transmission when you could have saved yourself the money and trouble and bought a comparably priced and equipped car with a manual transmission?

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2001 SAAB 9-3SE HOT

Saabman: Unreasonably biased against voices of reason.

 

THis should leave the 330 in the DUST!!! of course the M is a diff story

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter.Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers,Springs,Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.Polarg m6


gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

 

Say you met a girl and you liked everything about her except she has an annoying habit. So you overlook this one flaw and marry her. But the longer you're with her, the more annoying the habit becomes to you. You though you could learn to live with it, but now you're wondering. Then you find out she has a twin sister who's identical in every way (personality too) except she doesn't have the annoying habit. Just like with the car, it would cost you a lot of money to trade. And if you'd known about the twin up front you would have gone after her instead.



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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S
Spoiler, Navi, Cupholder 2.0, 35% tint all around
Charter member of the Scratched Rim Club

 

Like which car Saabman? Show a luxury coupe for $30K, 260HP, as roomy as the CL, as reliable as the CL, available in stick form.



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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

Do you know my ex-wife?

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01 CL-S NightHawk Black/Ebony Bowling Ball Interior
Xephyr CAI
Polarg M6
Solaris 9005
Cupholder Ver 2.0 Part#77237-SOK-A02


gto2050 - The voice of absolutely no reason whatsoever!

 

There may not be one, but for those that are going to trade up, it's going to end up costing you $60K. For that you could have bought the dreaded M3!



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2001 SAAB 9-3SE HOT

Saabman: Unreasonably biased against voices of reason.

 

What kind of MATH are you using ???
I figure 5-10K loss tops.
Minus the enjoyment I got while driving the car as it was depreciating.

Shawn S


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Make me an offer….It’s FOR SALE when the 6-Speed MANUAL comes out, I HATE the SLUSH SHIFT !!!

2001 CL Type S - NAV - San Marino RED / Parchment - Spoiler - 35% Tint - Roof Visor - PIAA Lamps
GOLD Emblems & Grill - V1 w/remote - KICKER AMP w/(2) 10" Alumapro Subs - Xephyr CAI - Shine by ZAINO
For Photos see: PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 4 V1 & SUBS

 

OK, so I exaggerated a bit. My point was that either way you'd be taking a considerable loss based on the trade-in value of the 2001 model. From what I understand, ACURA dealerships are struggling to get these off their lots. I doubt they would give top dollar for them as trade-ins for the 2002, esp if it becomes a hot item. In the end, waiting or compromising a little for a different type of car with the manaul tranny probably would have been a smarter choice.

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2001 SAAB 9-3SE HOT

Saabman: Unreasonably biased against voices of reason.

 

I looked and couldn’t find anything that met my requirements for performance/reliability/appearance/front drive.

I thought I would give the “SLUSH SHIFT” a try.
I liked it somewhat during the test drive but I just can’t get used to it’s shortcomings since the day I drove it off the lot.

Sure there are times when I like the AUTO like when stuck in traffic, but they don’t offset the “fun factor” during the other 90% of my drive time.

Shawn S


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Make me an offer….It’s FOR SALE when the 6-Speed MANUAL comes out, I HATE the SLUSH SHIFT !!!

2001 CL Type S - NAV - San Marino RED / Parchment - Spoiler - 35% Tint - Roof Visor - PIAA Lamps
GOLD Emblems & Grill - V1 w/remote - KICKER AMP w/(2) 10" Alumapro Subs - Xephyr CAI - Shine by ZAINO
For Photos see: PAGE 1 PAGE 2 PAGE 3 PAGE 4 V1 & SUBS

 

In the end, if you have the $$$, then GO FOR IT! I really shouldn't talk, I traded in my 99 9-3 auto for a 2001 9-3 5spd. Granted, at the time when I purchased the 99, I had the choice of going 5 speed but since I was "sharing" this car with my wife, I opted not to. I put 3 years of payments into that car, traded it, and have 5 more years to go on the new one. At least my monthly payments went down. Enjoy your 6 speed! Nothing really compares to being able to control the power.

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2001 SAAB 9-3SE HOT

Saabman: Unreasonably biased against voices of reason.

 

Well,

An '01 S4 6-spd is going for around $38,900 out by me -- Continental Audi .. don't quite know how a CL-S can outmaneuver, outrun one of these big bad boys .. but, I'd say w/ the underrated stock 250hp, and the 6-speed, it's a one-up from the CL-S for about $8K more. Plus, w/ so much aftermarket support -- yeesh, it's a no-brainer. It's just the pesky maintenance issues on those Audis that worries me.

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2002 Acura TL-S
1999 MB E320 4-matic
M3_Killer .. in the snow
1998 Isuzu Rodeo
M3_Killer ... off-road
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If I'd known there would be an 02 6 speed CL I would have waited. My old car car in great shape. But since The Accord V6, old 3.0CL, and TL had never been offered with a manual, I wasn't going to hold my breath waiting for one. They'd been chanting "not enough demand" for years and I didn't expect them to change their minds within a year. Oh well.




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2001 Silver 3.2CL Type S
Spoiler, Navi, Cupholder 2.0, 35% tint all around
Charter member of the Scratched Rim Club

 

I really don't think I would have gotten a 6 spd. My pattern over the years has been an auto then a manual. That would have dictated the CL-S as an auto.......

Now Tom, if you don't jump on this, you are missing the best leading with my jaw you have ever been presented.

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01 CL-S NightHawk Black/Ebony Bowling Ball Interior
Xephyr CAI
Polarg M6
Solaris 9005
Cupholder Ver 2.0 Part#77237-SOK-A02


gto2050 - The voice of absolutely no reason whatsoever!

 

Dont forget the 4 doors.


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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

 

How about adding a 6-speed or 5-speed tight ratio automatic with faster responding SS.

I still have no clue why they didn't allow 1-2 and 2-1 in the SS. Finally, as Gabriel reported, the 4th and 5th gear ratios are stupid (I understand the need to save gas, but the 4th is already overdrive [in my opinion], and 5th is super overdrive.)

Sorry, I live in a urban nightmare. It is very hard to find "fun" roads during regular daylight hours within a large radius of my "area". Unless, I headed out at 2-4am in the morning, I would hardly ever get to really have fun with the manual.

And that's why I got the slushbox.


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 10 coats of Zaino magic

 

4th gear is overdrive in everyone's opinion. Anything smaller than a 1:1 ratio is overdrive. Here is the relations of our CLS:

1st 2.563
2nd 1.551
3rd 1.021
4th 0.653
5th 0.470
Reverse 1.846
Final 4.428

As you see 4th is way under 1. Shit look at that.

Here is the auto BMW 330Ci:
1st 3.67
2nd 2.00
3rd 1.41
4th 1.00
5th 0.74

4th is DIRECT as you see. Now these are MUCH nicer ratios. This tranny would make our car a different car on the road.

OUR 4th is LONGER than the BMW's 5th!!! GIVE ME A BRAKE!!!


Here is the manual BMW 330Ci:
1st 4.21
2nd 2.49
3rd 1.66
4th 1.24
5th 1.00

5th is DIRECT as you see. This car needs a 6th gear. Too much noise and gas consumed at that 5th gear.


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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1

[This message has been edited by gavriil (edited 05-26-2001).]

[This message has been edited by gavriil (edited 05-26-2001).]

 

I have to start a new thread with this. I did not realize how bad it is.

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Gabriel
CL Type S
Mag Racer #1