you should have make this statement AFTER YOU SEE THE DYNO FOR THE OBX HEADER.

 

Yes for real. .. people, wait for the dyno...

AdamR

 

AdamR,

My basic statement was to "each there own"...

I have the Comptech Headers b/c I wanted them... I have Brembos b/c I wanted them. And in daily driving I like to know that I can go as fast as I want and stop when I want and as short as possible.

If you want the OBX headers cool b/c you want something for you daily driving.

But a majority of the peeps on this forum really can not afford to buy quality stuff and just complain endless about it. It just detracts from the purpose of the board where you try to find technical information or new products for our car.

I do have a question for you then... Do you consider Renntech, AC Schnitzer, or Hammann race car parts manufacturers?

I consider them aftermarket street performance manufacturers.

Comptech has two sides to it... The race component end Comptech Machine which produces parts for CART and Toyota Atlantic cars and Comptech Motorsports (aftermarket stuff).
Basically the Comptech Machine division helps Comptech Motorsports come up with ideas and manufacturing techniques for the aftermarket scene.

Yes, you could take the Comptech Motorsports stuff and race it but the items for the Accord/TL/CL is really geared for performance nuts like all of us...

There are two types customers for Comptech:
1. Folks that say I want more out of my car make it happen and are willing to pay for the R&D and engineering that go into the product.
2. Others who want horsepower and ask for a really good deal as they barely can make payment on my car.

Bottomline... To each there own. Personally I would not skimp out on quality. Kinda of like why I would not buy a JT Autostyle or Erubuni body kit.

Just my three cents.

-J

 

This is a very good point boboway - the bottom line is if you want get a similary part, although maybe lacking on the quality of the top of the line, but still have comprable performance gains then so be it. Or, if you are the kind of person who has to have the best, then go comptech but I really think that our members fall into the first category. As far as those manufactures, I do think RennTech & Alpina are race manufactures as they have a heritage of racing BMW & Merc. Nice choice on the brembo kit, I have the wilwood twin caliper kit on mine which is 2 4 piston calipers sandwiched on a lightweight 14" rotor. That is pretty much the BEST you can buy and I wanted it because that is what I want for my mustang. My headers for the mustang are being custom made for me as is all of my piping out of the best quality materials. But, for the acura, although it may see some sparse AutoX use, it is NOT a race car and I dont believe I need superior braking or RACE quality exhaust.... thats just me.... Again, the stang is a very different story.

AdamR

 

bobah u cant compare rolls royce to hundai

u gotta compare somethinng that is 50 percent cheaper...

the quaility would be from a rolls royce to a S500..

both great quality...

and u say people can afford a cl-s but not 500 dollars?? thats the dumbest statement ever...its just an acura.

 

well put amir.

Why is everyone getting bent out of shape about these headers? If they work that is great.....i would love a cheaper header. I can't justify 1000 dollars for headers but for 500 dollars i would consider it? Comparing Rolls to Hyundai's is just nonsense. Are you getting your undies in a bundle because you paid so much money? People have differernt priorities with money. YO ucould go on all night with this argument. It is just like buying the CL over a BMW. German engineering is the best ... the spend billions on R & D and arguably make some of the finest automobiles known to man. But, I bought an Acura becuase i thought I was getting more for my money.
So take it easy.

 

i don't think the statement "you get what u pay for" holds water these days. i mean we all paid $30K+ for our rides and we all live in fear of our trannies crapping out, our rotors warping, ignitions sparking, we don't have full size spares, stock tires which are nominal at best and a navi dvd which was obsolete at purchase. in a mass production market like today, u don't usually get what u pay for. my mom put down 80K for an SL500 and she can't tell how much gas she has in the tank. cousin bought a new beetle and is kicking herself cause it only has a 2 year warranty.

i think today's motif is to get the most for ur dollar. once u get past the domestic versus foreign labor nonsense and the union propaganda and material superiority bull u'll find that competing brands are not all that different except for craftsmanship and engineering design.

i think it's ironic when american's who pride themselves on free enterprise and capitalism get bit in the ass by those very same ideologies.

 

yup!

 

well I checked the IP and it does seem to originate somewhere within the comptech facility....so unless I really suck at checking ip's, someone at comptech was pretty mad.

 

youre an ass dude, youre starting shit also. Im sorry were all so poor and your chillin' with the big tymers . Maybe some of us just have some brains a realize that $1200 isnt worth a few horses. Maybe if the cl was a racecar, but its not. $1200 isnt going to make it fast

 

Seems like the people who already bought the Comptech headers are trying to justify the extra money with the "its got better quality" role.

Its like trying to be at peace for spending the extra $500 and being ripped off. This is unless the dyno sheet says the obx headers don't produce hardly any hp gains or alot less than comptechs, but something tells me that won't be the case.

Horsepower is horsepower. I'd just rather pay $500 less for it.

BTW...can anyone confirm that these headers will or will not work with the 99' 3.0?

 

I just read the last 5 pages and I can honestly hope that Mike from Comptech really didn't write those things. If he did, that shows a lack of class. Forget about trying to teach Macro -Economics 201 in 5 minutes and Business Models 204 trying to justify the name calling of the competition. you just have stooped to an all time low, typical for sore losing Americans. Then you go and insult people from Taiwan and throw us a guilt trip about the patriotic way to keep the economy afloat is to buy American products produced with American labor with American resources. I buy American, I buy Foreign, I buy WHAT I LIKE because that is THE AMERICAN WAY! It's called FREEDOM Mike, Freedom of speech - which we practice very well here in the forum. Freedom of choice - Hence, the few and the proud who bought products other than Comptech. Some of us are cheap, others just can't justify spending 4 bills n about 18-20 HP, the cost ratio doesn't make sense, whatever the case, just be a gentleman and respect the new kids on the block. If they succeed, you better take notes, if they fail, then relish in knowing that you are the best and leave it at that. It must work, you have a lot of customers on this forum, even though you make minimal mods for our cars.

Soapbox is now closed for renovations - Due to re-open in a few days.

 

*nods* .... I think thats all I have to say ....

 

Adam, good luck with the install/dyno!


I'm looking forward to receiving my Comptech headers this week!

I'm looking forward to them for the HP increase!

I'm looking forward to them to finally dip into the 13s!

I'm looking forward to them because I'm getting them for approx 1/2 of retail!

Yes, they're used; but I refused to pay $1200 for headers!

I never received confirmation that the OBX headers would fit my 3.0CL.

If I would have received said confirmation, I would be looking forward to receiving my OBX headers this week!

My point: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW: I don't consider myself to be a cheap-skate.

 

exactly its all about priorities.

i also knoticed the people that bought comptech are pretty pissed :-p

All i can say is THANKYOU OBX.

After a dyno, im gonna get me some headers

 

dusty : too bad that they OBX does not yet produce headers for your model car. Good luck with the comptechs and make sure that you take a bunch of pictures!

AdamR

 

Lots of shit talking...let's wait until the dyno is done and then figure out where to go from there.

 

OK here is my question. What is the warranty on both of the headers; CT and OBX?

If CT has such good quality then I would assume that their headers should be warrantied for life.

OBX on the other hand, if they are sceptical, should warranty thiers for 3 years.

So what is the warranty on the both???


Also if OBX says that they have 4 extra horses in the low end what are they sacrificing in the top end. Hell I heard that even with the extra hp in the low they have a higher gain in the top, WTF???

Can't wait for dyno results. I have just got my CT headers. They are still in the box. But I will return these for the OBX if I get more power. But the real reason why I got my CTs was because I can put them on my '01 auto, then take them off and put them on my '04 MT. So is it true that the OBXs won't fit the MTs, just the autos for now???


Juker008

 

 

i'm trying to find out info on warranty too. when i was looking into this product, OBX said that they wouldn't warranty the headers if they were installed on an A-CL since it isn't listed as an application. how u prove or disprove which vehicle the headers were installed on is a different story i suppose.

was there a change in the casing of the MT? as i understood it, headers for an auto will not clear the MT but headers for an MT do clear an auto. CT has 2 different part numbers; 1 for auto and 1 for MT and as of right now OBX only has an application for autos.

 

All I can say is that I have a crapload of Comptech stuff on my car and I have not had a single problem with any piece of it on my 30,000 car. Does that justify the higher costs to me: I guess so. Remember, this is not a Honda Civic to be played with as an "experiment". We have all sunk considerably more money into this car and to me a few extra bucks for peace of mind is well worth it.

Plus, I trust in Comptechs quality over the long run. Who knows how long a cheaper header will hold up compared to the beautiful machining of the Comptech piece. And, I'm quite sure they would stand behind their products should any one of us ever have a problem like that. Can that be said for other companies, I don't know.

And, in response to the comment about being able to each a monkey how to weld--well, that's just plain stupid and ignorant. Tell that to the people whose lives depend on precision welds--Ask a guy in a submarine if he wants a monkey welding the pieces of his boat together and I'm sure you'll get a resounding NO! In fact, in the entire WORLD there are only a HANDFUL of people qualified for that type of work. I doubt it's as easy as you think!

While the comments made from "Comptech" may not have been politically correct to some of you (personally, they didn't seem all that offensive to me) they are for the vast most part true and why that angers some of you is beyond me. I guess you all know more about the manufacturing business than Comptech does. I just really can't see that Comptech would (for the headers only) make them for 200$ and then jack them up by 900$. With that math we should be paying 500$ for springs and sways and 900$ for an exhaust.


Finally, any of you that are holding your ***** waiting for the dyno to show better gains than the Comptechs--well, keep waiting I guess. It's the same friggin' headers people. What are you expecting 20hp throughout the powerband by magic with 40hp up top?

I think some of you have headers on the brain.

 

One last thing--for all of you that have been complaining non-stop like whining little brats about Comptechs' pricing the solution is real easy......shut your mouths, don't buy them and get on with your lives!

 

Ok now here is my point. I also don't agree on CT pricing. As for the OBX headers. Can we say that their headers can go up to 30K+ miles without failing. If so then $500 spent on them is justified. Now after 30K the headers should fail then go out and buy another $500 pair. And there u have a 'new' set of headers that can go for another 30K. This may sound stupid, I think so myself, but for the price of OBX compared to CT. U can buy 2 OBX headers for the price of 1 CT.

Guys I can see why u would stand by CT all the way. They gave u a great set of headers, and u are proud to have them on ur cars. I mean I drive a CLS auto, and even with defects I still love my car. But that still doen't justify a $500 price hike.

I'll still be holding on to my CT headers, in the box, till I see the dyno numbers for those OBX headers.

But I am still in a confused state as to weither to keep the CT because of their warranty, or go with OBX. But still I can still buy another set of OBXs if something should arise.

So someone plz tell me what are the warranties between the two; CT and OBX.


Juker008

 

I think people have think about this. Just because the headers are half the price of CT's doesn't mean they should automatically be bought. It is like saying just because sumin is on sale you should buy it. Just tryin to help out.

 

So did OBX confirm they won't work on the 99' 3.0?

All I hear are forum members saying what they "think," but what does the manufacturer say?

 

First, for the record, the OBX comes with lifetime limited warrantee ang money back gaurentee. This is one of the reason I got the OBX headers.

Second, Looking for a Dyno for the OBX Headers? Be prepare... tentively, Installatio/Dyno is scheduled for the Wedensday...

 

Lifetime Limited warranty. Oh so they are only warrantied for life just as long as we install them on an Accord......ok .


Juker008

 

Okay.. I finally open the OBX racing headers box... In one word... I am impressed.
Sure it could they could have polished the inner tubes ( they did some smoothing an all weildings and the inner tubes are smoothed too!!!..,,, But the wielding is excellent and the quality is there.. the packaging was done right too...

I snapped few pictures they look like what AdmaR has posted...


Thanks to SS Autochrome and thanks to Bucky ..


I say that they are woth it...

 

What the hell are you talking about? Last time i checked, the only people that have been complaining so far have been the people who bought the CTs..... as for the people who dont like the price, they are not complaining, they are just buying the OBX headers - simple as that

AdamR

 

that's exactly what steve at OBX told me on the phone

 

No one at OBX will confirm that these headers will fit the 1997-1999 3.0CL, so I chose to go with Comptech (wayyyyy tired of waiting).

I had no official confirmation; that was my dilemma.

So, they may or may not!

 

Wow, it took awhile to get through 8 pages !! All i've got to say is i'm sticking with Comptech. We wouldn't have any headers without them. They made them 2 years ago, and now a company is just stealing the design and making them cheaper since they don't have to do the R&D. OBX wouldn't be selling them now if they hadn't copied Comptech, and if they started with a blank sheet of paper, they'd be charging every bit as much as Comptech to recoup their investment. I agree with ComptechMike all the way. I'll support a company who supports us. Let's go Supercharger, maybe OBX will copy that also.

 

I found this link over in AV6:

http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...threadid=12891

" . . . We have the headers , and preliminary DYNO results

They give a Big kick in Torque

40 LBS IN TORQUE INCREASE! ( 175-215 )
19 HP ( 158 - 177 )

And... soon I have the proof to share"

 

Holy crap! That is gigantic!

AdamR

 

so not the same as CT but better?

 

holy shit, if that is true, and if it does something similar on a CL-S i wouldnt be surprised to see ALOT of Comptech headers for sale in the black market very soon

 

Guys, they are not accounting for converter flash. This will typically be on the kick down at the start of the run and should always be ommitted...

I am surprised that this isn't obvious to others, a 40 lb/ft gain but on 19 hp, geez...

 

As an example, look at the following dyno plot. Onbviously those blips should not be takken literally:

http://www.v8sho.com/SHO/images/V8dyno.gif

 

so then what does that translate for final numbers?

 

We'll have to see the plot first to discern the real value, but the HP numbers look on par.