The next 2004 S4...
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The next 2004 S4...
Maybe be it's getting a V8 with 340 HP or Bi-tubo 3.0 V6 with 360 HP, asside from that it woudl be of course 4WD.
Anyone knows of good site that will have some decent info?
Anyone knows of good site that will have some decent info?
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well this has been posted a few times here... along with some pics.
i would say it definately is getting the V8 since BMW is now going to release a V8 M3.
None of the Audi sites really have any decent info on this thing, or even on the new A4. The Audi/VW boards have been crazy slow lately
i would say it definately is getting the V8 since BMW is now going to release a V8 M3.
None of the Audi sites really have any decent info on this thing, or even on the new A4. The Audi/VW boards have been crazy slow lately
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Wasn't it this months Automobile magazine that said the S4 is coming in a V8 with 340HP and in a sedan, wagon and coupe form. . . I figured they'd make the coupe since they are now making a convertible. . . Hopefully it's true. . .
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M5 is $70k+ S4 should start below $40k!
I am still hoping the next S4 will get a real SMG and a real NAV....
Then I would be glad to let my CLS go....
I am still hoping the next S4 will get a real SMG and a real NAV....
Then I would be glad to let my CLS go....
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The next S4 is for sure getting the same V8 that the S6 gets. It will make 340HP out of 4.2 liters. Engine worked by Cossworth that Audi bought from Ford (I cant believe those Ford losers selling that company to Audi, but anyway).
The price has been rumored at 56.500 Euros which is almost 50K American dollars. Prices in England are always higher though so I would say 45K here. It is expected to be at least as fast as the M3 on the straight line if not a tick faster.
There will be an even faster RS4 version in Europe. Dont know if it will come here though.
Here are some spy photos:
![](http://www.in.gr/auto/news/images/big/ae_Audi_S4_685_01.jpg)
The price has been rumored at 56.500 Euros which is almost 50K American dollars. Prices in England are always higher though so I would say 45K here. It is expected to be at least as fast as the M3 on the straight line if not a tick faster.
There will be an even faster RS4 version in Europe. Dont know if it will come here though.
Here are some spy photos:
![](http://www.in.gr/auto/news/images/big/ae_Audi_S4_685_01.jpg)
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The next S4 is for sure getting the same V8 that the S6 gets.
(We all know the A4 and A6 are nearly the same size ... hell we confuse them on a regular basis on the road. The only 4/6/8 Audis you can tell apart are the A4 and the A8 because there's actually enough size difference there to be able to differentiate them.)
Point being I highly doubt they will give them the same engines.
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Point being I highly doubt they will give them the same engines.
Point being I highly doubt they will give them the same engines.
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the A4 is crazy smaller then an A6, whatchu talkin bout willis??
go sit in the two... an A4 feels about the size of a Jetta inside, whereas the A6 feels larger then the TL inside.
big diff.
go sit in the two... an A4 feels about the size of a Jetta inside, whereas the A6 feels larger then the TL inside.
big diff.
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There are no confirmed reports on the next generation S4. Rumors have been flying around about both a turbocharged 6 and a v8. No one knows. The pictures that have surfaced have also not been confirmed. My guess is Audi is still decided on which powerplant to go with. Ideally, a turbocharged 6 would be better as it would be easier to modify. Audi, however, may try to avoid the same porblems they had with earlier S4's (the pre 2000 S4's had a lot of blown turbos). I have heard as much as having both engines available as options to the buyers. It will be interesting to see what they do. I kinda hope they go the V8 route, possibly keeping the value of mine higher, as people may go the used route to find a turbo car. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by JRock
That would make no sense unless one is N/A and one is turbo'd. Otherwise you'd have nearly identical cars with the same engine. Who would bother buying an S6?
(We all know the A4 and A6 are nearly the same size ... hell we confuse them on a regular basis on the road. The only 4/6/8 Audis you can tell apart are the A4 and the A8 because there's actually enough size difference there to be able to differentiate them.)
Point being I highly doubt they will give them the same engines.
That would make no sense unless one is N/A and one is turbo'd. Otherwise you'd have nearly identical cars with the same engine. Who would bother buying an S6?
(We all know the A4 and A6 are nearly the same size ... hell we confuse them on a regular basis on the road. The only 4/6/8 Audis you can tell apart are the A4 and the A8 because there's actually enough size difference there to be able to differentiate them.)
Point being I highly doubt they will give them the same engines.
It is like saying why is the CL and TL getting the same J32A engine. I know that the A4 and the A6 get 4 doors and the CL and TL do not but still...
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
There are no confirmed reports on the next generation S4. Rumors have been flying around about both a turbocharged 6 and a v8. No one knows. The pictures that have surfaced have also not been confirmed. My guess is Audi is still decided on which powerplant to go with. Ideally, a turbocharged 6 would be better as it would be easier to modify. Audi, however, may try to avoid the same porblems they had with earlier S4's (the pre 2000 S4's had a lot of blown turbos). I have heard as much as having both engines available as options to the buyers. It will be interesting to see what they do. I kinda hope they go the V8 route, possibly keeping the value of mine higher, as people may go the used route to find a turbo car. We'll just have to wait and see.
There are no confirmed reports on the next generation S4. Rumors have been flying around about both a turbocharged 6 and a v8. No one knows. The pictures that have surfaced have also not been confirmed. My guess is Audi is still decided on which powerplant to go with. Ideally, a turbocharged 6 would be better as it would be easier to modify. Audi, however, may try to avoid the same porblems they had with earlier S4's (the pre 2000 S4's had a lot of blown turbos). I have heard as much as having both engines available as options to the buyers. It will be interesting to see what they do. I kinda hope they go the V8 route, possibly keeping the value of mine higher, as people may go the used route to find a turbo car. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by gavriil
Not to sound negative but my source is very good.
Not to sound negative but my source is very good.
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
If you don't mind my asking, what are your sources. I am not saying that you are wrong, but that everything I have heard is unconfirmed and I do a lot of reading up considering I want to know what proceeds my car.
If you don't mind my asking, what are your sources. I am not saying that you are wrong, but that everything I have heard is unconfirmed and I do a lot of reading up considering I want to know what proceeds my car.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/gavriil...e.php3?id=1355
Bigger is better as far as go-faster Audis are concerned. The German firm is putting the finishing touches to an exciting replacement for its high-performance S4, which will ditch its turbo engine in favour of a walloping V8 powerhouse. The secret model, being primed with quattro GmbH and Cosworth, should arrive this time next year.
While BMW and Mercedes are packing their top-end machinery with six-cylinder hardware, the next S4 will offer superior refinement, effortless power delivery and, of course, the advantage of that four-wheel-drive system. Power is supplied by a derivative of the forthcoming 3.7-litre W8 engine which is likely to produce 320bhp. However, it has also been earmarked for the revised Passat, set for launch in 2001. Four-wheel-drive will again be a selling point. While Mercedes and BMW both send power to the rear wheels, Audi engineers see the quattro's traction, security and driveability as key dynamic advantages, while the marketing department feels it is a strong incentive for tempting customers.
Unlike today's model, there will be the choice of an automatic five-speed Tiptronic gearbox in place of the standard six-speed manual unit. Meanwhile, its newly designed aluminium suspension will ensure that the S4 is a major advance over its predecessor when it comes to handling and ride comfort.
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
That's it? That article refers to European cars only and there is no mention of the next S4. It is also more than a year old. Where did you really get your info from?
That's it? That article refers to European cars only and there is no mention of the next S4. It is also more than a year old. Where did you really get your info from?
The article reads:
"The German firm is putting the finishing touches to an exciting replacement for its high-performance S4, which will ditch its turbo engine in favour of a walloping V8 powerhouse"
And you are telling me:
"...and there is no mention of the next S4."
How much clearer do you want it to be?
Also about:
"That article refers to European cars only..."
Are you saying that this mentioned car in this article will be the version for Europe and that the USA will get a different version? Cos I doubt that. There were very slight differences between the S4s we got here compared to the European models (referring to the current S4).
Why do you doubt obvious things?
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Originally posted by gavriil
Are you kidding me now?
The article reads:
"The German firm is putting the finishing touches to an exciting replacement for its high-performance S4, which will ditch its turbo engine in favour of a walloping V8 powerhouse"
And you are telling me:
"...and there is no mention of the next S4."
How much clearer do you want it to be?
Also about:
"That article refers to European cars only..."
Are you saying that this mentioned car in this article will be the version for Europe and that the USA will get a different version? Cos I doubt that. There were very slight differences between the S4s we got here compared to the European models (referring to the current S4).
Why do you doubt obvious things?
Are you kidding me now?
The article reads:
"The German firm is putting the finishing touches to an exciting replacement for its high-performance S4, which will ditch its turbo engine in favour of a walloping V8 powerhouse"
And you are telling me:
"...and there is no mention of the next S4."
How much clearer do you want it to be?
Also about:
"That article refers to European cars only..."
Are you saying that this mentioned car in this article will be the version for Europe and that the USA will get a different version? Cos I doubt that. There were very slight differences between the S4s we got here compared to the European models (referring to the current S4).
Why do you doubt obvious things?
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
I think you take WAY TO MUCH pride in your "internet knowledge".
I think you take WAY TO MUCH pride in your "internet knowledge".
Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
The now previous S4, as they are not being produced anymore, IS different in Europe and the States. Both the interior and performance is different. European models get a 15 horsepower advantage for one.
The now previous S4, as they are not being produced anymore, IS different in Europe and the States. Both the interior and performance is different. European models get a 15 horsepower advantage for one.
Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
Two, THAT article is a year and a half old, I wouldn't take ANYTHING seriously in it.
Two, THAT article is a year and a half old, I wouldn't take ANYTHING seriously in it.
Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
Nothing is obvious about it. Fact of the matter is, there has been NO confirmation on what the next S4 will have under the hood. It MAY have a V8 and it MAY have a v6 twin turbo. No one knows yet and anything you hear that you THINK is definite is nothing more than speculation.
Nothing is obvious about it. Fact of the matter is, there has been NO confirmation on what the next S4 will have under the hood. It MAY have a V8 and it MAY have a v6 twin turbo. No one knows yet and anything you hear that you THINK is definite is nothing more than speculation.
That is all I said. There is autoexpress out there which is super reliable coming out 1 month ago with spy photos confirming that the S4 is getting a V8, etc.
Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
If you want to continue to think that it will definitely have a V8, then that is fine by me. I don't care what you believe, it makes no difference to me.
If you want to continue to think that it will definitely have a V8, then that is fine by me. I don't care what you believe, it makes no difference to me.
Oh and by the way, I did not state what I think about what the S4 will get. It is autoexpress and as far as I follow these guys they have NEVER beign wrong about rumors. So I guess it is between you and them. I wonder who people will believe.
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But DO NOT sit there behind you computer trying to dictate false facts and try to belittle me or anyone else for stating there are no definite facts to report.
But DO NOT sit there behind you computer trying to dictate false facts and try to belittle me or anyone else for stating there are no definite facts to report.
You are belittling yourself with all this. I have autoexpress to back up my claims. Who do you got? Audi? Because they have not confirmed anythign yet? Wow! What a claim!
Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
Did I clear this up, or do YOU doubt obvious things?
Did I clear this up, or do YOU doubt obvious things?
Or are you pissed because the next S4 will be kicking your car's ass big time in all respects? Come on, confess S4.
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If I WERE a dick, I would say that the current S4 would kick a CL-S's ass, but I won't cause I like and respect every aspect of the CL-s and TL-s. It is indeed a fine automobile. You said what the next gen car WILL have. You did not say it is speculation, you merely said it WILL have a V8 and that is final. Therefore, you statement is incorrect. You then continue to bash me for merely pointing out that there is no confirmation of the next Gen S4's info. Futhermore, I DID NOT see anything in that article that you linked even mentioning the S4 in any way. Maybe you linked the wrong article and there is another one discussing it. I don't know, but I did not see anything in the article you linked. As far as the date, at the top of the article you can see where it says
A4 Starts With A Clean Sheet 0:22 20.10.00
I take that to mean October 20th, 2000. I could be wrong of course. The article does say that the NEW A4 is to hit the road NEXT spring. That doesn't sound like an article written only a month ago. You claim that MY knowledge on the next car is minimal at best, but I seem to know that nothing has been confirmed. If you know more about the next gen S4 than me even though I have an S4, then congratulations. I really don't care much. I was merely pointing out to the other members on this board that there is no confirmed report. If I am wrong about this, then every single S4 owner on every single forum is wrong too. Feel free to go to Audiworld or Audizine and ask them. They will be more than happy to answer any of your questions. By the way, won't the next gen CL-S with the 6-speed kick you ass?
A4 Starts With A Clean Sheet 0:22 20.10.00
I take that to mean October 20th, 2000. I could be wrong of course. The article does say that the NEW A4 is to hit the road NEXT spring. That doesn't sound like an article written only a month ago. You claim that MY knowledge on the next car is minimal at best, but I seem to know that nothing has been confirmed. If you know more about the next gen S4 than me even though I have an S4, then congratulations. I really don't care much. I was merely pointing out to the other members on this board that there is no confirmed report. If I am wrong about this, then every single S4 owner on every single forum is wrong too. Feel free to go to Audiworld or Audizine and ask them. They will be more than happy to answer any of your questions. By the way, won't the next gen CL-S with the 6-speed kick you ass?
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
If I WERE a dick, I would say that the current S4 would kick a CL-S's ass, but I won't cause I like and respect every aspect of the CL-s and TL-s. It is indeed a fine automobile. You said what the next gen car WILL have. You did not say it is speculation, you merely said it WILL have a V8 and that is final. Therefore, you statement is incorrect. You then continue to bash me for merely pointing out that there is no confirmation of the next Gen S4's info. Futhermore, I DID NOT see anything in that article that you linked even mentioning the S4 in any way. Maybe you linked the wrong article and there is another one discussing it. I don't know, but I did not see anything in the article you linked. As far as the date, at the top of the article you can see where it says
A4 Starts With A Clean Sheet 0:22 20.10.00
I take that to mean October 20th, 2000. I could be wrong of course. The article does say that the NEW A4 is to hit the road NEXT spring. That doesn't sound like an article written only a month ago. You claim that MY knowledge on the next car is minimal at best, but I seem to know that nothing has been confirmed. If you know more about the next gen S4 than me even though I have an S4, then congratulations. I really don't care much. I was merely pointing out to the other members on this board that there is no confirmed report. If I am wrong about this, then every single S4 owner on every single forum is wrong too. Feel free to go to Audiworld or Audizine and ask them. They will be more than happy to answer any of your questions. By the way, won't the next gen CL-S with the 6-speed kick you ass?
If I WERE a dick, I would say that the current S4 would kick a CL-S's ass, but I won't cause I like and respect every aspect of the CL-s and TL-s. It is indeed a fine automobile. You said what the next gen car WILL have. You did not say it is speculation, you merely said it WILL have a V8 and that is final. Therefore, you statement is incorrect. You then continue to bash me for merely pointing out that there is no confirmation of the next Gen S4's info. Futhermore, I DID NOT see anything in that article that you linked even mentioning the S4 in any way. Maybe you linked the wrong article and there is another one discussing it. I don't know, but I did not see anything in the article you linked. As far as the date, at the top of the article you can see where it says
A4 Starts With A Clean Sheet 0:22 20.10.00
I take that to mean October 20th, 2000. I could be wrong of course. The article does say that the NEW A4 is to hit the road NEXT spring. That doesn't sound like an article written only a month ago. You claim that MY knowledge on the next car is minimal at best, but I seem to know that nothing has been confirmed. If you know more about the next gen S4 than me even though I have an S4, then congratulations. I really don't care much. I was merely pointing out to the other members on this board that there is no confirmed report. If I am wrong about this, then every single S4 owner on every single forum is wrong too. Feel free to go to Audiworld or Audizine and ask them. They will be more than happy to answer any of your questions. By the way, won't the next gen CL-S with the 6-speed kick you ass?
ALTHOUGH I DID POST THE RIGHT TEXT OF THE ARTICLE, I POSTED THE WRONG URL. SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT STILL, I ALSO POSTED THE TEXT, I THOUGHT YOU COULD NOT MISS THAT ONE.
Here is the URL buddy:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/gavriil...e.php3?id=1500
For whatever it is worth, I did not read your above post in full. I got to catch a plane soon. Later.
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Ok, now that makes a lot more sense now. I see where you got your info from now. The Cosworth engine has long been rumored as the next platfrom. But it stopped at rumors to my knowledge. The only thing we can definitely do is just wait and see what the next car will have. Either way, it will be fast and should be able to compete or beat the current BMW M3. That is until BWM decides to redo their car. It never ends.
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Originally posted by 2001AudiS4
Ok, now that makes a lot more sense now. I see where you got your info from now. The Cosworth engine has long been rumored as the next platfrom. But it stopped at rumors to my knowledge. The only thing we can definitely do is just wait and see what the next car will have. Either way, it will be fast and should be able to compete or beat the current BMW M3. That is until BWM decides to redo their car. It never ends.
Ok, now that makes a lot more sense now. I see where you got your info from now. The Cosworth engine has long been rumored as the next platfrom. But it stopped at rumors to my knowledge. The only thing we can definitely do is just wait and see what the next car will have. Either way, it will be fast and should be able to compete or beat the current BMW M3. That is until BWM decides to redo their car. It never ends.
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I would love to see the new S4 kick some major M3 ass actually. I hope they keep the price lower than that of the M3's. And I hope there is less price gauging than there was and there sill is with the M3. I hate that.
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I just read that Walter de´ Silva will be the design head for Audi and Lamborghini. Wow! I think that this is major. I dont know if you know this guy but he head a tremendously successfull time at Alfa Romeo and then 2 great years at Seat. So now he is given all 3 VW sub-brands. Watch for great Audi designs starting 2-3 years from now.
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