RaptorCLS

I just read that cops are using new guns now that 'turn off/on so quick that its hard to know when they are in use..."

AKA-BEE-III (Z-25) Gun


Whats the story with these....does V1 and/or 8500 catch these bastards?

juniorbean

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No radar detector will catch it unless it's on.... so if it turns on and off that quickly... the odds are that when you're alerted... it means you were just clocked.

CLpower

or the car in front of you was just clocked

proaudio22

Still, most states require an officer to determine you are speeding over a certain distance, IE when they clock you they have to either keep tracking you for a specified distance. In the manuals for some radar guns with an instand on feature, it specifically states that it isn't accurate for that 'pop' and you must retrack the car to establish the history of speeding. So, if you get hit - you better slam the brakes so his gun shows "80-55-55-55".

Of course, 75% of cops don't follow the above and would right you a ticket for what the instant on says. My boss got a ticket for going 83 in a 65. I was sitting right beside him, the cruise was on 70. I think this is what happened here.

I will have one of these in the car soon, so one more method of protection. Wit da hook up, $110.

proaudio22

Once again, a very good reason you should not be the fastest car on the road. I always try to be slighty under another car if possible. If not, I don't do more than 10 over in the city, 15-20 on the freeway.

Let another car go slightly faster than you (maybe it will build their ego until they get a ticket ) and then when they get popped, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!

fuzzy02CLS

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Some website had a write up on these "POP" mode guns. Basically it said they were very unreliable in these modes.

Neech

They're very unreliable and basically a crap shoot. There's no way the POP mode would ever hold up in court.

From the V1 website:
So make sure if you get pulled over you ask whether laser or radar was used and if radar, what mode was the gun in. You can even ask to see the unit's display. Just try not to be a dick if you do.

kensteele

This has been out for awhile. No PD will POP you and try to stick it to you. I know alot of people don't believe this but the cops aren't going to just blatently violate the law and get away with it. At least in my state they won't. If the training says this is not the correct method, the cops won't do it (for the most part).

The incorrect method for regular radar today is to use the audio feedback to confirm speeders. Cops don't do that...but they could...but they don't. They DO try to follow the training (for the most part).

If you get pulled over and your radar detector NEVER went off and the cop says he got your on radar and he has a POP mode gun..... Honestly what cop would try to nail you like that? He might well just not even have a radar in his car at all and just pull you over and write you a ticket for speeding. He doesn't need a POP gun to try to lie about it.

This has been up and around for several years now. Honestly we don't even know if the cops are really using it. They may just ignore that setting altogether...just like they should be turning off/down the audio doppler (if it is still at all present in today's radars).

[DWI]

I think the manuals for those guns say not to use instant on for writing a ticket, becuase the calculations of speed are based on the difference between the outgoing wavelength and the returning wavelength (the outgoing value is assumed and the incoming is meaured), but instant on doesn't give the gun enough time to warm up and send the waves out at the assumed rate so the initial readings are wrong, and like most men the cops don't read the manual.

NOVAwhiteTypeS

yes but like in fairfax county in va, most cops are required atleast 25 hours in inclass radar training.

since radar is illegal in va most cops always leave it on and drive around or just sit there w/ it on

kensteele

All police officers read the radar manual. There's not even a question about that. The City and the State have to be responsible. Any cop that admits in court that they didn't read the training manual will not only lose their current court case but also all the other cases they have been in will be overturned. No city is that irresponsible.

Doc.Booty

Instant on is nothing new, they've had it here in Mi for a while, although most cops don't use it. I've had it pulled on me once, and i hit the brakes right away, and the cop didn't pull out because i have uber reaction time. It's still a pain in the ass though.

I always have a "front door" as my dad called em. Big pickups are the best, but even some jackass in an escort will do. Let them cruise a quarter mile up to entice a cop to use radar, so you can pick it up.

Just over a week ago, i just got across the Macinac bridge heading south on 75 and this white Alero passes me (i was going about 85) like i'm standin still. I pull in behind him and we start going between 100 and 110. Everything is clear for about 2 hours then a few miles before my exit onto M-59 BAM the detector goes apeshit. I hit the brakes and see a cop turn on his lights and turn out from the median and bust this poor schmuck.

Alot of people think the radar detecter makes em invincible. It's a tool that when used properly will save you alot of money. I know mine has - and it "came" with the car.

Thanks, dad.

pianoman41

This thread is *not* talking about the traditional instant on. That's when the radar unit is not transmitting, the officer sees a target, quickly turns the unit on to get a speed, and then (sometimes) turns it off again. That type of instant-on almost guarantees a ticket if you're out front and alone, BUT (and here's the difference) the instant on is detectable with any radar detector once it comes on. Sure, your V1 is screaming like a dog in heat but by then it's too late.

What Raptor is referring to is a new technology called POP and it is currently on guns manufactured by MPH. Using this feature, it works very similar to instant on except that it is NOT DETECTABLE AT ALL with radar detectors. It works on the premise that most radar detectors have an anti-falsing circuitry that detects minute stray signals and rejects them. A single pulse of radar (and by pulse, I'm talking microseconds, not the usual 1/2-1 second of instant on) is rejected by almost every radar detector on the market as a false signal, since that's not usually how radar is transmitted. If your radar detector sounded for *every* instance of radar it came across, it would go off constantly and be useless. Detectors are designed to detect concentrated radar energy. That is why some detectors will go off in the presence of other detectors--they have a less-strict anti-falsing circuitry.

The POP technology allows the radar operator to press a button and the radar gun sends out *one or two* propogated signal waves to the target and reads the return. It works thousands of times faster than normal human reflexes. If you were to press the switch on a radar gun on and off as fast as you could, even during the brief 1/4 of a second the unit was on, it would send out millions of waves, since radar travels at the speed of light. The POP mode is basically the mother of all instant-ons: so fast that it beats the speed of turning the gun on and off a million-fold. No detector currently in production will detect a POP transmission, period. Even the V1. They aren't designed to work like that.

Now here's the problem with the technology as far as the cops are concerned: in every state in the country, it is NOT the radar gun that determines you are speeding, it is the police officer. The police officer visually determines you are speeding and then confirms his observation with the radar device. At least, that's how they're supposed to be trained. In order to do this correctly, the officer conducts what is called a tracking history on your vehicle and basically documents the events from the moment your vehicle is first spotted to the moment your vehicle is pulled over. Part of this tracking history when running radar includes making sure that the radar unit produces a steady, constant reading over a period of time. The period of time is subjective, but because the radar gun can't necessarily pinpoint *which* vehicle is speeding (it only returns the strongest signal, with a couple of exceptions), it is up to the officer to confirm that the radar unit's reading is from the intended target, and the only way to do that is with a steady, strong signal. POP operation does not allow this. The signal is so quick and brief that, yes, the radar unit did pick up a speed, but which target did it come from? The car in front, the fan on the roof of the building across the street, the defroster fan, etc? With the way NHTSA trains radar operators, the POP mode is *not* a valid determination of speed. Does it give the officer additional information to aid in identifying the target? Absolutely. But will it, by itself, be an accurate part of the tracking history? Definitely not.

kensteele

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Doc.Booty

I am enlightened

Neech

Good stuff.

RaptorCLS

the burning bush has spoken

fusionnv

The slowest car is also a crap shoot. I was driving on the highway on a road trip. The lead car, my friend was a dick, he decided to bust out and do 100 mph, the two other car behind him was doing about 90 and 85, and me at the end was doing 70. Guess who got pulled over in the rear??

proaudio22

I didn't say be the slowest car, I said just don't t be the fastest. I also didn't mean b/c you wouldn't get pulled over, it's b/c they will more than likely clock the other guy first - which would alert you via your detector - so you could brake quickly so that when they clock you, you're not speeding.