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Old 11-14-2003, 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
that is awesome steve. can't wait to see the finished product.

we still on for the intake swap?
Thanks Matt... Yep, my upper manifold will be sent your way once the new unit is in place and tested.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Correct, the light gray one with the ten bolts (eight bolts and two studs on your car ). Also, the upper portions of it; the highest elevation sections but still at the corners.
It will be done yet tonight!
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The :-* went to the store, so I asked her to get me some clay,....if you could have seen the look,....like WTF

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1" at both the front corners, 1.25" at the back left, and 1.5" at the back right.

How does that compare?
Old 11-14-2003, 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
I really wonder how unmanageable this car will be with 380+ WHP, maybe 400+ WHP...

I was driving into work this morning at about 6:00 AM and the temps were about 35F; the coldest I have been in with the blower. I rolled on the throttle in 2nd and it broke loose easily; this was at 45 MPH already and without any clutch input. I have 235/45 ES100 tires and had been on the interstate so they were warmed up. Another 60 - 80 WHP is bound to create traction limitations well into 3rd. :o
Hehe...
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Originally posted by ModAddict
The :-* went to the store, so I asked her to get me some clay,....if you could have seen the look,....like WTF



I can certainly understand...
Old 11-14-2003, 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by ModAddict
1" at both the front corners, 1.25" at the back left, and 1.5" at the back right.

How does that compare?
That is about 0.25 more than I have and about what I expected. When I made my RES plate and had it on my '01 CL-S I had plenty of room. After I traded for the '03 6-Speed and I put the plate on I found I had less clearance (and even put a ding in the bottom of the hood).

I suspect the manual sits a little higher maybe as a result of or the reason for the additional engine mounts.

I’m going to do one more test measurement this weekend to be sure. But it looks good for all included vehicles.

One more thing; can you measure from the centerline of the upper manifold cover to the factory installed strut tower brace; in a level fashion?? This may be slightly different for the two vehicles and I want to be sure here as well.
Old 11-14-2003, 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by allmotor_2000
Hehe...
You already know...
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Originally posted by scalbert
One more thing; can you measure from the centerline of the upper manifold cover to the factory installed strut tower brace; in a level fashion??
9.25" from the center of the manifold cover to the front of the factory strut brace.
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That is exactly what the CL is and is good. I know the TL has a longer wheel base but I expected this dimension to be the same.
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amazing progress Steve, keep it up
Old 11-19-2003, 05:31 AM
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I got the intercooler on order but one catch, the price has gone up to $722.
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Do you want to order 5 or 6, to get the $$$ down? We can send you the money. I'm not sure how much it went up, so I'm not sure if that will make a diffference or not. Just a thought.
Old 11-19-2003, 05:42 AM
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Since these are customs I'd rather not order extras until the system is confirmed and tested. They went up $72 so not too bad.

I'll work on discounting when ready to produce multiple units.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Since these are customs I'd rather not order extras until the system is confirmed and tested.
I knew that was your direction, and it is good one, just make sure somehow down the line, our discounting includes yours, and then some!
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Forgive my "DUMB" question, but will the Intercooler ONLY work in conjunction with the SC ?
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There is no need for it without forced induction. The reason for an intercooler is due to the fact that gases (air in this case) heat when compressed. The intercooler is there to remove the added heat.
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Excellent !

Thanks Steve


I'd like to consider this when available


Originally posted by scalbert
There is no need for it with forced induction. The reason for an intercooler is due to the fact that gases (air in this case) heat when compressed. The intercooler is there to remove the added heat.
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Originally posted by scalbert
I got the intercooler on order but one catch, the price has gone up to $722.
Did they say how long it would take to ship it?
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One week.
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Is the new price for the intercooler with or without the other system stuff (like a water pump, reservoire etc.)?
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That is just the intercooler core. The rest of the stuff should just about double this price.
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The IC core should be there soon.
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Hopefully; if they didn't get in through production the week I ordered it wouldn't get done until this week. But regardless, it should be soon so start warming up your wrenches and sockets for a test fit on the TL-S.
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Originally posted by scalbert
....... so start warming up your wrenches and sockets for a test fit on the TL-S.
I almost bought a propane heater T-giving weekend, but the store I went to did not have one, and as I said, it was only 40*, so it wasn't that bad yet. However,... there will be heat in the garage soon, as I do plan on working on the TL-S over the winter because of all the things you have brought to fruition. My plans over the winter include an Intercooler kit, a new gauge pod, rewiring the gauges and wideband, E-Manning the ECU, a new cat back (?), and who knows,...maybe some sort of traction bar up front.
Old 12-10-2003, 04:27 AM
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Guess what arrived yesterday...

I don't have a camera right now and I will be taking it by the machine shop later so no pictures until it is ready. But that shouldn't take more than a few days.

It is slightly different than what was shown in the simple images available. I had asked from mechanical drawings but was told they are not available. Due to these differences it will require some slight alterations which will be transposed to the drawings when complete.

I'll post the pictures when ready.
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Slightly different where it mates up to the new plenum?
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good shit..
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Originally posted by ModAddict
Slightly different where it mates up to the new plenum?
Yep, the simple pictures appeared to have had a slight lip to the ends but that is far from being the case. The end cap for the water flow on one side is nearly in line with the IC core face.

What will be required is to cut off the two back plates and cut them shorter. The IC will then sit flush and can be welded up.
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can't wait to see this
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Is it done yet? j/k

I can't wait either, this thing is going to be cool!
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I thought I was crazy to do a 3.5 swap and supercharged. But you are the man. By the way I blew my engine boosting at 6psi. I knew that engine didn't like the pinging. I will try to post some pictures of my swap in progress.
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Originally posted by sgmotoring
By the way I blew my engine boosting at 6psi.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!.. some of us are seeing 7lbs of boost with the IMRC disconnected...
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Originally posted by sgmotoring
By the way I blew my engine boosting at 6psi. I knew that engine didn't like the pinging. I will try to post some pictures of my swap in progress.
Huh, what blew in it??

Several of us have been running more boost for longer and have healthy motors. There must be something going on with that fuel supply.
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Originally posted by Smitty
WHAT!!!!!!!!!.. some of us are seeing 7lbs of boost with the IMRC disconnected...
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This was from the bad dyno post;

Originally posted by ModAddict
Sounds like you are trying to get started right away with the 3.5 swap! You know,..... running the high boost pulley, with 91 ontane, on the dyno, pinging away, waiting to melt a piston or two.
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I removed the head last night and I got a blown #2 cylinder piston rings. The piston was damaged but I think that was due to me driving it more then 50 miles after the rings were blown. I have a auto trans CL-S and yes I was only boosting 6psi, hell maybe 5.5psi. I have a dyno chart with a/f and it show that I was running rich, so that was not detonation due to lack of fuel.
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Maybe the ring was bad all along and became visible (audible in this case) when boost was applied.

Please keep us informed of the status.
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Originally posted by sgmotoring
The piston was damaged but I think that was due to me driving it more then 50 miles after the rings were blown.

How many miles did your car have on it, when you installed the S/C'er?

And I did notice your out in CA, the highest OCTANE available to you is 91 octane?....... that would worry me.

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