New clutch for me!!!
#82
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Needs a new transmission.
So I'm updating this just to say if someone has a 6 speed tranny they want to sell me I NEED it.
Send me a PM or you can email me at Nersh7@gmail.com
So I'm updating this just to say if someone has a 6 speed tranny they want to sell me I NEED it.
Send me a PM or you can email me at Nersh7@gmail.com
#83
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Needs a new transmission.
So I'm updating this just to say if someone has a 6 speed tranny they want to sell me I NEED it.
Send me a PM or you can email me at Nersh7@gmail.com
So I'm updating this just to say if someone has a 6 speed tranny they want to sell me I NEED it.
Send me a PM or you can email me at Nersh7@gmail.com
#86
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No fucking clue, I'm going to get the dealer to do it so if they can find any evidence that the original shop who did the clutch fucked up I can take them to court.
#87
Sorry to hear. Almost makes me think alot of these shops have business strategies to purposely do bad work so that the customer has to pay two times or more and they get more work/money out of it in the long run. Then if you take them to court they just declare bankruptcy so they dont have to pay.
#88
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I honestly have no clue as to how this is going to play out, I may end up having to renew my student loan just to get my car running
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#90
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A good lesson to find a good shop and not just go with whatever you find first.
Just spoke to a transmission god that my friend knows and he said that it sounds like when they put it back together that either they didn't put enough fluid back in or forgot to top it up or broke one of the axle seals and it was leaking fluid therefore running the tranny dry and basically welding it together. I'm already mentally prepared to pay the whole ordeal myself but if this is the situation what do you guys think the chances would be for sueing to cover the cost of a new tranny and labour to replace it? Maybe additional expenses as well like car rental or anything?
Let me know your opinions and ideas its all greatly appreciated.
Just spoke to a transmission god that my friend knows and he said that it sounds like when they put it back together that either they didn't put enough fluid back in or forgot to top it up or broke one of the axle seals and it was leaking fluid therefore running the tranny dry and basically welding it together. I'm already mentally prepared to pay the whole ordeal myself but if this is the situation what do you guys think the chances would be for sueing to cover the cost of a new tranny and labour to replace it? Maybe additional expenses as well like car rental or anything?
Let me know your opinions and ideas its all greatly appreciated.
#91
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Holy shit man, that really sucks. I'd blow up on someone if that happened to me.
After you posted about the smoke I thought maybe they overfilled the trans, because the extra fluid can make its way to the clutch disk and cause issues.
I would def try to find a reputable attorney that deals with this kind of stuff. You'd be surprised what a well-written letter will get you. Also, if you have any sort of extra time a peaceful picket can really speed up ending a shitty situation.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me hesitant to take my car for its 105k service. It now has 140k miles on it.
After you posted about the smoke I thought maybe they overfilled the trans, because the extra fluid can make its way to the clutch disk and cause issues.
I would def try to find a reputable attorney that deals with this kind of stuff. You'd be surprised what a well-written letter will get you. Also, if you have any sort of extra time a peaceful picket can really speed up ending a shitty situation.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me hesitant to take my car for its 105k service. It now has 140k miles on it.
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#92
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UPDATE:
Good new.... ish so my original thoughts of the transmission being done have been confirmed. Finally found a shop that was capable of something and they have been incredibly helpful these past few days. After they took out the transmission they called me and said very bluntly that its fucked lol. The reason being is that there was NO FLUID IN IT!!! WTF really you think that transmission fluid isnt something you would easily forget... No sign of any leaking and it was so badly wrecked that even the housing cracked... So basically this new shop is helping me out by either getting the old shop to fix it at no cost or help by giving pointers for taking them to court.
Another thing I really liked about this new shop, they let me come back and take a look at the whole deal and take pictures while explaining to me what everything was and why it was that way. Pure amazingness on their part. So here are the pictures I took...
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs239.snc4/39313_10150288329255298_595800297_15466208_2943359_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs219.snc4/39313_10150288329260298_595800297_15466209_1568137_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs671.snc4/61108_10150288329315298_595800297_15466210_4012477_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs200.ash2/46370_10150288329345298_595800297_15466211_1353340_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs400.snc4/46286_10150288329385298_595800297_15466212_3025469_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs200.ash2/46286_10150288329395298_595800297_15466213_1307955_n.jpg)
Oh and to answer another question that was asked earlier in this thread, no the flywheel was never refinished, the mechanic who showed me this was not impressed..
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs653.snc4/61377_10150288329195298_595800297_15466206_6367366_n.jpg)
Good new.... ish so my original thoughts of the transmission being done have been confirmed. Finally found a shop that was capable of something and they have been incredibly helpful these past few days. After they took out the transmission they called me and said very bluntly that its fucked lol. The reason being is that there was NO FLUID IN IT!!! WTF really you think that transmission fluid isnt something you would easily forget... No sign of any leaking and it was so badly wrecked that even the housing cracked... So basically this new shop is helping me out by either getting the old shop to fix it at no cost or help by giving pointers for taking them to court.
Another thing I really liked about this new shop, they let me come back and take a look at the whole deal and take pictures while explaining to me what everything was and why it was that way. Pure amazingness on their part. So here are the pictures I took...
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs239.snc4/39313_10150288329255298_595800297_15466208_2943359_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs219.snc4/39313_10150288329260298_595800297_15466209_1568137_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs671.snc4/61108_10150288329315298_595800297_15466210_4012477_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs200.ash2/46370_10150288329345298_595800297_15466211_1353340_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs400.snc4/46286_10150288329385298_595800297_15466212_3025469_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs200.ash2/46286_10150288329395298_595800297_15466213_1307955_n.jpg)
Oh and to answer another question that was asked earlier in this thread, no the flywheel was never refinished, the mechanic who showed me this was not impressed..
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs653.snc4/61377_10150288329195298_595800297_15466206_6367366_n.jpg)
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#93
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Im glad you are making some process. Did the other shop charge you for refinishing the flywheel?
#95
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Take them to court!
#96
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no fluid deffinetly does not help
btw why is the tranny so filthy![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
personally machineing the flywheel is standard pratice, unless of course maybe it had been machined not too long ago (but then again why would you be going back in there though, so it be machined or replaced again)
then also the flywheel does not get that shiny that fast either, it takes time to get that mirror finish to it (just think of how long it takes brake rotors to even start to show that type of finish)
btw it even looks like they may not have even cleaned the flywheel before they put the new clutch back in either (those dark spots, are probably old greasy finger prints)
btw why is the tranny so filthy
![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
then also the flywheel does not get that shiny that fast either, it takes time to get that mirror finish to it (just think of how long it takes brake rotors to even start to show that type of finish)
btw it even looks like they may not have even cleaned the flywheel before they put the new clutch back in either (those dark spots, are probably old greasy finger prints)
Last edited by friesm2000; 09-30-2010 at 10:40 PM.
#99
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^ ya dark spots were the heat burns.
I can't tell you why it is dirty exactly, my best guess would be something to do with the appearance of dirt on the roads that I drive on... just a guess though
lol
As for suing, I'm giving them the chance to take responsibility first, if they don't then to court I go!
I can't tell you why it is dirty exactly, my best guess would be something to do with the appearance of dirt on the roads that I drive on... just a guess though
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As for suing, I'm giving them the chance to take responsibility first, if they don't then to court I go!
#100
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More news on this situation:
So after long debates, much frustration and multiple complaints filed with 3rd party organizations I finally got somewhere. They offered me 2 grand, this is based on a transmission they found in the states that was worth $2400 and that I'm getting the work done somewhere else. My thought is that if I just get a cheque from them I know I can find a good condition tranny for less than that which means more money to help out for labour.
I think that if I were to still try and sue I wouldn't get much more than this but am not really sure because I've never sued anyone.
What do you guys think I should do?
So after long debates, much frustration and multiple complaints filed with 3rd party organizations I finally got somewhere. They offered me 2 grand, this is based on a transmission they found in the states that was worth $2400 and that I'm getting the work done somewhere else. My thought is that if I just get a cheque from them I know I can find a good condition tranny for less than that which means more money to help out for labour.
I think that if I were to still try and sue I wouldn't get much more than this but am not really sure because I've never sued anyone.
What do you guys think I should do?
#101
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Take the settlement.
#102
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I think tranny plus complete clutch and labor is more than that but as long as you are satisfied with that then good for you. Its better than going after them ad sueing the shop. I would takw it. Depends how much is that gonna cost you to get the tranny. I think 3g tl will be cheaper
#104
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Is your LSD still in good shape? If it is, pull it out of the wrecked tranny, find a cheap Accord 6MT (usually sell for ~$800) and drop the LSD into it.
If not, expand your search to include 3G TLs as Street said.
The only reason I say take the $2000 is because if you sue them thats going to cost you money and take time. The $2000 now saves you the headache of going through the trouble of suing. But, if you can, try to get them to give you $2500, since you need a new tranny, clutch, flywheel and still need to pay labor to another shop.
If not, expand your search to include 3G TLs as Street said.
The only reason I say take the $2000 is because if you sue them thats going to cost you money and take time. The $2000 now saves you the headache of going through the trouble of suing. But, if you can, try to get them to give you $2500, since you need a new tranny, clutch, flywheel and still need to pay labor to another shop.
Last edited by civicdrivr; 11-15-2010 at 04:00 PM.
#105
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I already settled on $2000 so that is the final number for me.
What year Accord? how much modification is required if I go that route or get a 3G TL tranny?
And this is the 6-speed, just as a reminder
What year Accord? how much modification is required if I go that route or get a 3G TL tranny?
And this is the 6-speed, just as a reminder
#106
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#107
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I know its a 6MT, thats why I said swap the LSD over. 7th gen Accord tranny should be the same. Aim for the earlier models as I believe they will still bolt up with our block.
EDIT - I forgot about that damn crank sensor. I wonder if you can swap bell housings....
EDIT - I forgot about that damn crank sensor. I wonder if you can swap bell housings....
#109
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and bell housing should swap over also, but again you gotta pay labor in order to do that also
probably the easiest way to get that sensor mounted would be drill your own hole, then have somebody add aluminum/weld the area up, so the sensor is at the correct depth, but it would have to be very precise though, can't be too far or it does not pick up, or too close or else you hit the sensor and destroy it
Last edited by friesm2000; 11-16-2010 at 02:11 PM.
#110
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How fucked are the internals?
#111
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and bell housing should swap over also, but again you gotta pay labor in order to do that also
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#113
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The "many people" part was just a confirmation that it can be done, it had nothing to do with cost.
If you were to buy a tranny, you'd probably be inclinded to pull it apart anyway to replace synchros while it is still out of the car, that way you dont get any surprises when you go for that first drive. It also allows you to verify that the tranny you just bought isn't fucked on the inside without finding out the hard way.
The point Im getting at is yes, it costs money to take it apart, but if something is wrong with the new one you not only spent money on labor to have it installed, now you have to pay again to take it out and take it apart, then to put it back in.
If you were to buy a tranny, you'd probably be inclinded to pull it apart anyway to replace synchros while it is still out of the car, that way you dont get any surprises when you go for that first drive. It also allows you to verify that the tranny you just bought isn't fucked on the inside without finding out the hard way.
The point Im getting at is yes, it costs money to take it apart, but if something is wrong with the new one you not only spent money on labor to have it installed, now you have to pay again to take it out and take it apart, then to put it back in.
#114
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I have no idea how bad the internals of my current one are, my guess would be fucked though.
If I can find the same tranny for a reasonable price I think I'll just do that. I don't have the skill to do a swap like that myself and I don't trust anyone well enough yet to do it for me.
If I can find the same tranny for a reasonable price I think I'll just do that. I don't have the skill to do a swap like that myself and I don't trust anyone well enough yet to do it for me.
#115
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The reason I asked how bad the internals are is you can get a new tranny case for $400 USD (MSRP, you can get it for about $300 online). But depending on the condition of the internals and the skill set of the tech doing the work, might be more trouble then its worth.
#116
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The "many people" part was just a confirmation that it can be done, it had nothing to do with cost.
If you were to buy a tranny, you'd probably be inclinded to pull it apart anyway to replace synchros while it is still out of the car, that way you dont get any surprises when you go for that first drive. It also allows you to verify that the tranny you just bought isn't fucked on the inside without finding out the hard way.
The point Im getting at is yes, it costs money to take it apart, but if something is wrong with the new one you not only spent money on labor to have it installed, now you have to pay again to take it out and take it apart, then to put it back in.
If you were to buy a tranny, you'd probably be inclinded to pull it apart anyway to replace synchros while it is still out of the car, that way you dont get any surprises when you go for that first drive. It also allows you to verify that the tranny you just bought isn't fucked on the inside without finding out the hard way.
The point Im getting at is yes, it costs money to take it apart, but if something is wrong with the new one you not only spent money on labor to have it installed, now you have to pay again to take it out and take it apart, then to put it back in.
as far as paying to pull it back out, that is when it might be worth letting them find the used tranny, then that way it is "on them" for buying/installing the bad tranny (not every shop will honor that though) you might pay a little more though, but save yourself from the possible headaches though
and personally if you find a low enough mileage tranny, you should not really need to be replacing synchros already (especially considering the CL does NOT have the issues with 3rd gear like the newer ones), if so the tranny has probably been beat on (basically look for a roughly equal/lower mileage tranny then the mileage currently on your car)
Last edited by friesm2000; 11-16-2010 at 04:55 PM.
#117
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Finding bad synchros, or worse, is not the same as finding bad rings. You can do a leakdown test with the motor out of a car, but how do you test a transmission?
#118
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not really, especially if bought from a reputable junkyard, normally you get some type of warranty with it (we've sent back 2 bad motors before, cause the cylinder leakdown tests showed they were bad (high leakage), and the junkyard even paid for shipping the motors back and fourth fully
as far as paying to pull it back out, that is when it might be worth letting them find the used tranny, then that way it is "on them" for buying/installing the bad tranny (not every shop will honor that though) you might pay a little more though, but save yourself from the possible headaches though
and personally if you find a low enough mileage tranny, you should not really need to be replacing synchros already (especially considering the CL does NOT have the issues with 3rd gear like the newer ones), if so the tranny has probably been beat on (basically look for a roughly equal/lower mileage tranny then the mileage currently on your car)
as far as paying to pull it back out, that is when it might be worth letting them find the used tranny, then that way it is "on them" for buying/installing the bad tranny (not every shop will honor that though) you might pay a little more though, but save yourself from the possible headaches though
and personally if you find a low enough mileage tranny, you should not really need to be replacing synchros already (especially considering the CL does NOT have the issues with 3rd gear like the newer ones), if so the tranny has probably been beat on (basically look for a roughly equal/lower mileage tranny then the mileage currently on your car)
#120
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Thanks, its a pretty average price for a transmission that I've seen.
There was one one car-part.com for 1050 in florida that I was going to pay for tomorrow but its gone now
There was one one car-part.com for 1050 in florida that I was going to pay for tomorrow but its gone now
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