Mike

I drove up to Comptech yesterday (1100+ miles round trip) because there’s an annoying squeek coming from the driver’s side suspension. Turns out the spring installer cut the rubber bump stopper when he shouldn’t have. I have to go back to Group 5 and have them replace the bumper stop on their dime now. Pls contact me if you’ve had springs installed by Group 5 Motorsport.

Now for the major scoop of the year! They have a working prototype of the SC running on their Accord! Woohoo! They got all of the parts in last Thursday and installed them Friday. The tech made a quick run down the block on Friday to verify that the SC was working. They were getting ready to dyno it when I left. Another bit of good news is that they were able to fit a smaller battery next to the SC so they won’t have to relocate it to the trunk. Rumor has it that they may offer different pulleys w/the SC for a (small) variety of boost levels. That’s a rumor so take it w/a grain of salt. That’s all I know so don’t ask me any questions.

Cool things from the trip: Pics! Coming tomorrow
Stopped at at gas station to fill up and a couple in their late 50s had spent the day racing together at Bud Willow. Big deal right? He was driving a red M and she had a beautiful blue M3. Should have snapped a pic….grrr..
Comptech is a first class organization. The shop floors are swept and mopped and a guy was even cleaning some the windows. They’re a very profession and organized outfit.

Met MikeB and Bob. Great guys to talk to and even gave me a small tour of the place.
Shad was the tech working on my car. Another great guy and very knowledgeable about everything.
I’ll probably remember more tomorrow. 7 hours driving yesterday and 8 hours today have taken their toll.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

phatpat

FINALLY! Great to hear...can't wait for the supercharger ...and running it at 10 psi

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'01 Black/Tan CL-S w/ Navi & spoiler
AEM CAI
Comptech headers & sway bars
Toyo Proxes T1-S 235/45ZR17 tires
15% tint, Infinity Perfect sub/PPI amp

'97 Acura Integra LS

"You don't need a shopping cart wing to go fast..."

Mike

10 psi == tranny goodbye.

ps: got to see the comptech s2000 and a couple of NSX's

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

KavexTrax

Were you trying to reenact that guy in the TLS commercial

"Sooo you up here on vacation?"

"Lunch"



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- Kvit -
2001 CL-P Monterey Blue, Parchment interior
• Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
• Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
• HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
• Planning: 17" rims w/ Bridgestone Potenzas (730),
Comptech Springs & Sways, V1
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• [So.Cali. Nite Meet 5/17: Tustin Black Angus Pics]
• [So.Cali. Nite Meet 5/17: Tustin Black Angus Pics II]

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SD_surfer

Hi,Mike
I had my Eibach pro spring installed by Group 5,too
VSA has lost it's fuction after the installation,they claimed they didn't touch anything else..

gonna go to dealer and ask them to check it out.

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2001 CL-S Black/Navi
AEM CAI,Eibach Pro spring,Polarg M-6,35% tint
*Audio system upgraded
AMP: Xtant 603x
FRONT: Focal 165W
SUBs: 2 Boston Pro 10LF

tel1sps

Post the pics

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2001 Silver 3.2CLS
Muds, Spoiler, Hardwire 8500, Polarg M-6 lamps, K&N filter #33-2178,
Comptech Headers, Sways, mufflers
Planning: SSR 17X7.5 GT1 Wheels, Brembo Brakes.

JRock

You don't even know! I will so drop a new, stronger, aftermarket tranny in my car just to be able to run a high-boost SC. I can't wait!
Goodbye Mustangs, hello Camaro/Firebird competition.

w00t!

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
Stock for now.
50% tint sides, 35% back.

[This message has been edited by JRock (edited 06-12-2001).]

NOVAwhiteTypeS

gotta start saving up, no more mods, and taco bell and mc d 2 for 2 .22 for lunch for the next 6 months. and gotta ditch my friends too.

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter.Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers,Springs,Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.Polarg m6


gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

RED-CLS

How much will a SC take of a stock 0-60 time and how much will they cost?

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- Spoiler
- Valentine 1
- Wheel Locks
- 1 Maniac Driver (Me)

"Pedal to the Metal and Tach to the Line, I race my CL-S every time!!!"

ruvz

shhhhhhhh....that's still a secret....
My estimated guess would be a 30-35HP boost...this will bring the CLS into running 13's..


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--> RUVZ
2001 3.2CL Type S - Satin Silver - Polarg M6 roadlamps
Coming soon: Springs, AEM CAI

Mike

I'm guessing out the chute it'll deliver 50hp. That should put a stock cl in the low to mid 14s depending on conditions and driver. With a good driver, headers, cai and light weight wheels I'm guessing mid to high 13s.
They don't have any idea on the cost yet. Most of the SC's that I've seen where in the $3-4K range. Hopefully it won't be over $4k but for sure not over $5k.


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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

spiroh

Depending on the boost that they will use. I would think we would see a nice 60-75hp to the wheels boost. This is a supercharger. Look how many horses the NSX, and S2000 gained. All mods will make the supercharger work better also.

Spiro


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Black/Black 2001 CL-S
Random Technology Cat
RED AEM CAI
APEXi V-AFC
Polarg M6 Roadlamps

spiroh

Can you call them and ask them what the dyno numbers were on the accord?

Thanks,

Spiro

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Black/Black 2001 CL-S
Random Technology Cat
RED AEM CAI
APEXi V-AFC
Polarg M6 Roadlamps

Mike

I asked Shad to email me the numbers but don't know if he will. There's much tuning to perform since this is a prototype and I'm sure they're going to experiement w/different boost levels. I really hope they design the SC so that I gives us more torque in the 2-3k rpm range.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

spiroh

Thats the beauty of superchargers. They give you low end grunt. Our top end is great. What we lack is low end. No doubt in my mind with a SC, and tires we can easily hit 13s.

Spiro


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Black/Black 2001 CL-S
Random Technology Cat
RED AEM CAI
APEXi V-AFC
Polarg M6 Roadlamps

Rod

I agree, anything less wouldn't make the SC worth the money. But our trannies would prevent us from gaining as much as the NSX and S2000 without serious upgrades to it.

CLpower

so basically that was a waste of 15 hours of driving?

spiroh

It would probably cost about 2-3gs to make the tranny stronger for us. The SC will cost from 4-5k. A lot of money if you ask me. If I did get the SC, it definately would not be before my warranty runs out.

Spiro



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Black/Black 2001 CL-S
Random Technology Cat
RED AEM CAI
APEXi V-AFC
Polarg M6 Roadlamps

Mike

i'd do it again n20 boyeee! group 5 wasn't returning my phone calls (idiots!!!) so now i have proof that they messed up the installation. i also rx'd a tour of their shop w/o the other 50+ ppl and 1 on 1 conversations.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

CLpower

ya, tuner shops tend to give the runaround, i'll actually be surprised if you can even get them to replace it for you. thats the main problem w/ the aftermarket

Mike

make sure you call shad at comptech and ask him his thoughts on the matter.



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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

Mike

If they don't resolve the situation to my satisfaction then I'll see them in court. I don't care if it costs me $1k in court costs to resolve a $200 problem. They need to stand up and do the right thing or suffer the consequences. grrrr




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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL

BLOWN 331

For those inquiring about more torque with a supercharger, which is what propels cars and damages engine and transmissions. One should first ask Comptech which type of supercharger are they going to use. i.e. centrifugal, roots, or screw? Centrifugal superchargers like Vortech, Paxton, and Powerdyne are similar to a turbo where power is determined by the speed the blower which it is spun. With these type of blowers, boost is not recognized until the higher RPM range. On the other hand, you have roots and screw type blowers, such as Whipple, Eaton, and B&M. They are similar in function, but screw type blowers tend to be more efficient than roots. These blowers give instant boost at any RPM. I have damaged many engines testing with these types of blowers. Roots and screw type blowers have cavities where boost is stored just waiting to be used. Just hammer the throttle and you have full boost at 2500 RPM's or 4000 RPM's it doesn't matter it's there!

If there are transmission issues with the CLS, then I would guess that Comptech would probably stick with a 6 - 8 lbs. centrifugal blower due to the fact boost(power & torque) will come on gradually. If the transmission can take it, then a 6 lbs. screw type blower like Whipple would be in order. Hope this information helps.

BLOWN 331

Mike

I asked Bob about the blower and he said it was a roots.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Got some stuff
14.302 @98.69 Carlsbad Raceway 4/29/01
My Car

CLpower has a 1st Gen 3.0 CL
PWs, YOU ARE NOT YOUR FREAKIN' POST COUNT!!

BLOWN 331

Mike,

That's interesting. It's probably going to replace the intake and sit right on top of the engine. Did you see where the blower was positioned?

BLOWN 331

VTEC Animal

Well, it's a good thing the 6 speed will be available for the CL Type-S this fall... Just hope that it gets carried over to the TL lineup, apparently they're worried it won't sell.

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2001 Acura 3.2TL Non-Navi
Satin Silver
35% Metal Tint

phatpat

Can the same supercharger be applied to either the auto or manual versions of the car? (CL, Integra, NSX, Maxima, etc.) Or does the type of transmission have anything to do with the supercharger at all?

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'01 Black/Tan CL-S w/ Navi & spoiler
AEM CAI
Comptech headers & sway bars
Toyo Proxes T1-S 235/45ZR17 tires
15% tint, Infinity Perfect sub/PPI amp

'97 Acura Integra LS

"You don't need a shopping cart wing to go fast..."

[This message has been edited by SpeedyRonin (edited 06-12-2001).]

Rod

The tranny issue is that the automatics in our cars can't handle as much torque as the manuals will be able to tolerate. But the SC should be made with an auto in mind since it's being designed for the V6 Accord which, I believe only comes in auto.

BNut

As long as I can chirp 2nd, I'll be happy. I don't care if I have to spend 5 grand on a my own personal costum built auto tranny, I WANT that SC!!! Money isn't an option, I just want to lay the smack down on anything with 6cyl's and hang with most V8's.

Just being able to sit on a GT's rear bumper and rag on him afterwards about how he couldn't pull away would be worth it all

If you know PSI you can theoretically calculate your "new" displacement as a result of the forced induction, righ?

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2000 Acccord LX V6 Sedan
- Eibach Pro-Kit Springs& Koni Yellow Shocks
- AEM Short Ram Intake
- AEM Tru-Power Pulleys
- Jet Hot Coated CompTech Headers
- Denso Iridium IK20 Plugs
- Forged Racing Hart 17x7.5" CP-035's with 225/45 RE730's
- 15.44 @ 87.87mph (Track)

blxmjx

Mike, are you sure it is a roots blower? If its a roots blower then it would sit right on top of the intake and they would need to custom a brand new intake manifold for the blower. I've heard of hood clearancing problems with a roots blower on the accord. That also wouldn't jive with the addition of a different battery. Since the battery would not be in the way of a roots blower. I've mostly heard that they would be utilizing a centrifugal type unit.

EricL

Boy, depending on how they set this up, it is wild guess time. They could go for the mild boost on the Automatic, and not worry about it. Until the manual shows up, this is going to be "speculation world."

The supercharger could be designed to move the boost farther up the rpms to keep the "off the line" problems to a minimum. IF they make the thing to dump a lot of torque down @ 2000 rpm (around stall speed), that is where a set of sticky tires and some torque braking would be really rough on the transmission -- Can you say regional Acura intervention for service!

A set of headers, CAI, and a strong engine is already pushing about 305HP at the crank.

Maybe someone will have some hardened gears and goodies for our transmissions some time later in the year (I'd love to see the 1-2 shift point moved up as well)


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 10 coats of Zaino magic

scalbert

Yes, very true that an implied displacement could be determined. One easy way to get an idea of the increased displacement would be to calculate the pressure ratio.

Just using easy numbers of 14.7 psi as atmosphere and boost of 7.35 psi. (14.7 + 7.35) / 14.7 = 1.5 pressure ratio. Take this number and multiply it times the current displacement, 3.2L * 1.5 = 4.8L.

Now this is not an absolute, issues of heating through compression (ideal gas law) tend to lower this number. But it is a good starting point and a good indication.

VTEChump

This SC is made for the 6th gen accord? So how much work is it going to be to adapt to the CL? I am assuming some extra labor will be required.

Kevin M

Hey Guys,
Long time no talk. I was at Comptech a couple months ago measuring clearance of my aftermarket wheels with the Brembo calipers. I got the tour from Mike B. which included the accord with the supercharger project. At that time, the supercharger sat where our stock battery sits. When looking at it from the front of the car, it had a shaft coming out of the left side that ran across the front of the car just behind the radiator, over to the pulleys on the left side of the engine. They have obviusly come a long ways since then, but at the time the top radiator hose was removed (interfered with the shaft) and they were using a baby battery wedged in further to the right.
Kevin

Dave

Any word on a CAI? Based on the other posts, Comptech would be a good option.